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07-19-2005, 10:45 AM
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The most insane voting fraud I've ever heard

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Some things are undeniably true. A leopard can't change his spots and a Republican can't fight the instinctive compulsion to keep votes from being counted.

With local, state and Congressional elections before us in the next 16 months, it's important for all Americans who truly believe in democracy to understand that, whenever the opportunity arises, Republicans are as dependable as clockwork in denying our country's most basic rights.

We've seen it many times over the last five years – most notably in the 2000 presidential election and recently in the protracted fight by Republican Dino Rossi to keep Democrat Christine Gregoire from assuming the Governor's office in Washington state. It's the same game with different players -- a close election and the GOP using their weapon of choice by fighting to ensure that votes are not counted.

But lest you think this is strictly the province of races garnering national attention, let me introduce you to the most recent – but eerily similar – version of Republican election theft in the mayoral race in tiny Irvington, New York.

The election in this town of about 6,700 people took place on March 15, 2005 and, after one recount, ended in a razor-thin, 848-847 victory for Democratic challenger Erin Malloy over the longtime incumbent, Republican Dennis Flood. Two absentee ballots remained unopened. Both candidates received notice from the town clerk that he wanted to open just one of those ballots immediately.



Despite having a one-vote lead -- and thus everything to lose – Malloy, the former president of the Westchester County League of Women Voters, immediately agreed that the ballot should indeed be opened. It was a vote for her Republican opponent and the election became a tie.

Here's where we get into familiar Republican, election-fraud territory.

Republicans responded to all of this by having their primary election attack dog out of Albany, John Ciampoli, represent Flood, while Malloy has been forced to pay for the defense of her legitimate win out of her own pocket and via local fundraisers.

True to his GOP pedigree, Flood filed a legal action to keep the last ballot from being counted. When the New York State Supreme Court ruled that the ballot should be opened, it was found that an Irvington resident, named Susan Brenner-Morton, had cast the final and deciding vote for Erin Malloy.

So what was Flood's next move? You guessed it: Make damn sure that Susan Brenner-Morton's vote did not count. That's what finally landed in the Appellate Court in Brooklyn, which just issued an astonishing ruling that Brenner-Morton's vote should be tossed out based on a technicality manufactured by the Flood camp themselves.

Brenner-Morton's ballot had been unopened in the first place due to a minor discrepancy between her hyphenated, married name and her maiden name, which she also sometimes uses.

She discovered this on March 19 (a Saturday), after the official recount -- showing Erin Malloy to be the winner --had concluded on March 18. Bright and early on March 21, Brenner-Morton went into the Village Hall with all of her proper credentials showing that she was a valid voter. Simultaneously on that morning, the Westchester County Board of Elections faxed all of the necessary documentation to Irvington Village Hall proving Brenner-Morton's legitimacy as a qualified, registered voter -- and whose ballot would have wholly substantiated Erin Malloy's victory.

Irvington's Republican-led administration did nothing with this information.

Had they opened Brenner-Morton's ballot that day, as they should have, her vote would have been counted in time and the election would have been indisputably over. Sitting on the vote as the town's administration did, gave Flood just enough time to file a lawsuit that evening, staying all votes from being opened, counted, or canvassed.

The lawsuit was filed that night to prevent Brenner-Morton's vote from being opened and counted in time.

If you're starting to feel like you're in a Kafka book, it gets worse. Since this all began, Brenner-Morton has had to hire her own lawyer to get her vote counted and has endured being hounded by a private investigator, hired by Team Flood, in an effort to intimidate her out of the process.

So where does it stand now?

As unbelievable as this sounds, Irvington election rules call for any ties to be broken via drawing of lots or a coin toss.

Of course, Dennis Flood immediately embraced this option. Hey, if you were the St. Louis Cardinals, wouldn't you leap at the chance to have a coin flip reverse Boston's 2004 World Series win and get a 50-50 chance at negating the legitimate loss? The Red Sox, probably wouldn't be so crazy about that choice – given that, well, they won and everything.

Erin Malloy is feeling much the same way.

Meanwhile, Flood's attorney reveals a lot about what this all means to them with recent comments he has made about the status of the Irvington election.

"We could play Texas Hold 'Em," joked John Ciampoli. "Or we could get out the Bingo numbers. Whoever gets the biggest number wins..."

Flood's willingness to decide an election based on a game of chance – and his lawyer's treating such a situation as a joke – underscores the contempt that they and their party have for the electoral process.

For now, a stipulation has been agreed to by both sides, that stays all actions in the case until early August. This has the effect of stopping the coin-toss or lot-drawing calamity and preserves all remedies available to all parties. In other words, the will of the voters and a Democratic winner assuming a duly-elected office has been delayed with the usual Republican dirty tricks. Oh, and by the way, Flood continues to serve as the town's Mayor, despite having been voted out of office.

And their disenfranchisement and harassment of Susan Brenner-Morton for simply being unlucky enough to be the election's deciding voter, sends all Americans one message loud and clear: Whether it is a small town mayoral election, a gubernatorial race or the presidency of the United States, Republicans will always reach for their trump card of tossing legitimate votes if it serves their agenda.

It is profoundly sad that, even in a small town like Irvington, where so many residents know each other personally, voters cannot feel comfortable knowing that they can legitimately cast a ballot in good faith, with clear intent and that it will be counted.

For a party that preaches patriotism and love of country as much as the Republicans, they consistently show that, like the proverbial leopard, they cannot change their spots. In their America, no matter the size of the election, every vote counts – as long as it is a vote for them.
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Wow........I've heard of some pretty bad crap pulled by the Republ8icans. But this takes the cake. This sort of remionds me of Terry Schiavo. If the republicans want a smaller governmant, then why did they get involved?
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07-19-2005, 12:19 PM
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No offense Statikk but that just looks like one long anti-repulican propaganda blurb. Where precisely are you getting this information from? And why are you posting it now? We're nowhere near any US elections and we're far from the previous one...
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I'm posting it because I think it shows something that many people are not aware of: VOTING fraud. Sure, everybody knows about dead guys voting and multiple votes, but not many are aware of this extreme level of tactical disenfranchisement. This topic, unlike the death/shit/Jesus threads you so loudly declaim can go many different ways. For instance, a discussion on the relative corruptness of many governments and political parties, would you yourself "cheat" or pull dirty moves to win something, etc. I also am far from ignorant that this problem is rampant on both sides, though Democrats tend to focus more on voter fraud, such as multiple registrations and buy offs. For instance, those last 2 tactics are acknowledged as commonplace in Wisconsin politics and recently Democrat candidates were busted doing those same acts of voter fraud in Wisconsin.
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I'm posting it because I think it shows something that many people are not aware of: VOTING fraud. Sure, everybody knows about dead guys voting and multiple votes, but not many are aware of this extreme level of tactical disenfranchisement. This topic, unlike the death/shit/Jesus threads you so loudly declaim can go many different ways. For instance, a discussion on the relative corruptness of many governments and political parties, would you yourself "cheat" or pull dirty moves to win something, etc. I also am far from ignorant that this problem is rampant on both sides, though Democrats tend to focus more on voter fraud, such as multiple registrations and buy offs. For instance, those last 2 tactics are acknowledged as commonplace in Wisconsin politics and recently Democrat candidates were busted doing those same acts of voter fraud in Wisconsin.
I didn't ask you which way you thought the conversation would head in, I asked you where the **** you get your information from. If you can't answer that question then I simply don't believe you. Your post doesn't highlight anything, it just makes an unsupported accusation, and when you were asked to support it you simply avoided it and went off on a spiel about something entirely unrelated that nobody asked your opinion on.

Don't get me wrong Statikk, I hate conservative Bush blowing philistines as much as you do, but only for reasons I can cite from reliable sources. Unlike some who jump on the anti-Bush bandwagon I don't gobble up whatever anti-GWB propaganda is fed to me, because that would make me just as bad as the people buying Bush's lies.
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I got it from a leftist website, Smirking Chimp. Do I need to link to Little Green Footballs, Powerline, or Free Republic to please you now, O Great One? Get off my ballsack.
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I got it from a leftist website
That's hardly an unbiased source... in fact that pretty much cements the case for it being mere anti-republican propaganda.
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If you're searching for a 100 percent unbiased sorce you better put your ****ing lantern down, because you won't find it. In politics, there sides. You pick one and run with it. This person just happens to be a Democrat on a liberal web site, that doesn't mean the view is wrong. The view being, to only count one vote is unfair and undemocratic(there's that pesky "biased" word again, as if democracy is any better than a no-holds-barred lawyer battle to keep a winner for assuming their position). To start a fund to harass someone into bankruptcy with ridiculous lawsuits and contentions is unfair and undemocratic. Can you agree with that, or is everything I just said a lie because I subscribe to a worldview held by over 100 million people in America alone?
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It's... very hard, but not impossible to believe that the majority of voters voted for Bush. A lack of knowledge is one reason, and you can't forget the three G's: God, Gays, and Guns. If there was fraud, I doubt it had any real impact on the outcome of the election.
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Statikk, am I correct in my understanding that you're basically saying that there's no such thing as true facts and figures? Because that would be implied if your defense is to state that you feel there is no such thing as unbiased political neutrality in statistical information like votes.

That's a pretty weak defense to be honest. Considering that the votes have to be counted by an independant unbiased organisation, any fraudulent votes would have to be very scattered and in quite small numbers in order to evade detection. This would mean that their effect, if any, would be nominal, and would only be a deciding factor if it came to a very close tie.
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Well, that America for you. "Family Values" always squeeks through into the government. Besides, if the election was looking grim for Bush, he would have decl;ared some sort of Satate of Emergency to prolong his stay in office. (is anyone sensing Starwars 3 here?)
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How is this a weak defense? I'm not denying the truth or facts, figures, and stats, I'm merely showing that bias is ingrained. Its part of being human. And you can take facts, figures, graphs, stats, etc. and use them to further your view of things. You could look at the above case and conclude that one side is correct and do your best to show why, and another person does the same for the other side. Voter disenfranchisement, such as keeping faulty machines in poor or minority regions that vote Democratic by a large margin, sending out false information to keep people from polls, etcetera. Here are some sites showing examples of voter fraud:
http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/...own_of_stories
Check it out. All the stories are linked to more credible and unbiased sorces, so don't let the DKos put you off too much.
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