John Couey

Statikk HDM · #1 03-20-2005, 05:57 AM

This guy in Florida, John Couey, who was a sex offender, was allowed to live next to a little girl unsupervised. Long story short, the little kid was molested and then killed and Couey admitted to it. Now, I believe that with therapy, willpower, and strict observation that sex offenders can be released back into society. I know this is a 180 from my "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" approach that I had before. But I digress. The thing that really puzzles me is that this man was a total klepto and was caught burglarizing houses 24 times. And yet every time they simply threw him back into society. So I'm not surprised that he burglarized a rich house and then molested and killed a little girl. Thats par for the course for this nutjob. What puzzles me is that Congress can have stupid little discussions of relatively peanuts things like ANWR and steroids in baseball but when a perfect opportunity to discuss parole reform presents itself they do nothing. If I was a Congressman I'd be all over this. I'm curious as to what those boards were thinking and this is low hanging fruit. This is votes in the bank. Nobody is going to stand up for the perverts, rapists and psychopaths. You get to look tough on crime with no downside.

Agent-Sarah · #2 03-20-2005, 09:04 AM

I say kill them all.

AquaticAmbi · #3 03-20-2005, 09:32 AM

How primitive of you, AS.

Aye, I agree with you on this, Statikk. With some heavy therapy with proven progress and such, strict observation, etc., I think they can be released back into society... I guess. Actually, with saying that and putting myself into a victim's or the family's of a victim shoes, I feel a bit uneasy saying that. But I've always viewed stuff like this as more of keeping society safe more than punishment, so if a person is no longer seen as a threat to society, then there's really no point in keeping him or her locked up.

Statikk HDM · #4 03-20-2005, 11:20 AM

I know that, but 24 burglaries and a sexual assault on a minor and they let him out and let him live without supervision next to a McMansion with a little girl in it? I think the family should sue the parole board and the system that let him out for every damn penny they got!

sligster · #5 03-20-2005, 12:31 PM

I use to have the opinion of "kill the bastard", but after more thought, I've come to the conclusion of "let the bastard rot in jail".

It may be possible to.... "re-socialize" some sex offenders and such, but some are just too far down the well.

TheRaisin · #6 03-20-2005, 01:09 PM

We're always getting these letters from the school district with warnings that "John Q. Sexoffender has moved to the blah block of Blah Avenue", along with a picture, a description, and an explanation of their criminal history. And invariably they say at the end "... is a Level Three Offender, with a high probability of re-offending." And I wonder, Why the hell do they release them then?

I agree that if a person can be rehabilitated, they should be set free again. But cases like this are just sick and stupid.

AquaticAmbi · #7 03-20-2005, 01:52 PM

Hmm... I thought there were certain laws that stated they were not allowed to live within a certain distance of schools and children...

And huh, my school has never given notices of where sex offenders near us live. Weird.

Agent-Sarah · #8 03-20-2005, 02:11 PM

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How primitive of you, AS.

Aye, I agree with you on this, Statikk. With some heavy therapy with proven progress and such, strict observation, etc., I think they can be released back into society... I guess. Actually, with saying that and putting myself into a victim's or the family's of a victim shoes, I feel a bit uneasy saying that. But I've always viewed stuff like this as more of keeping society safe more than punishment, so if a person is no longer seen as a threat to society, then there's really no point in keeping him or her locked up.

1. You can call me Sarah.

2. People say that they cure a sex offender. That, is pure bullshit. You can't cure a pervert, ever. Even with drugs, it still won't work.

What this asshole did to that girl, he should die in the hands of the prisoners who look down at people like him.

Jacob · #9 03-20-2005, 02:21 PM

Yeh, i agree with Sarah to an extent, Sex Offenders can't be cured. But killing them is the easy option and sticking them in jail forever is too expensive.

I think they should be used for experimental Drug and Cosmetic treatment. At least that way organisations like PETA will be all "Oh...okay!" and we won't have to torture animals. And the Sex Offenders will be getting punished but also helping society along with medical advancements and Cosmetic newness.

However, saying this, i don't actually believe we should be seeking out the cure to Cancer or AIDS, they're one of the few diseases that are capable of monitering our population.

sligster · #10 03-20-2005, 02:24 PM

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I think they should be used for experimental Drug and Cosmetic treatment. At least that way organisations like PETA will be all "Oh...okay!" and we won't have to torture animals. And the Sex Offenders will be getting punished but also helping society along with medical advancements and Cosmetic newness.

wow... that's a good idea, actually.

Statikk HDM · #11 03-20-2005, 03:10 PM

That is a disgusting idea. We shouldn't sink to their violent, atavistic level.

AquaticAmbi · #12 03-20-2005, 03:59 PM

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People say that they cure a sex offender. That, is pure bullshit. You can't cure a pervert, ever. Even with drugs, it still won't work.

While it's true there is no "cure" as in a magic pill that makes a person incapable of committing this sort of violence, there is treatment much like that of alcoholics. The treatments that can be provided these days have astonishing results.

This is mainly because sex offenders were often victims themselves when they were children and never received the proper help. However, since they are now adults, treating them is much more difficult, but certainly not impossible.

I'll let this quote from one of the many studies I've read sum up this post:
A 2003 Corrections Department report evaluating the treatment of sex offenders... found three of every four sex offenders who received no therapy reoffended, compared with one in every six for those who completed the first phase of treatment. The rate improved to one in 10 for those who finished the second phase in a maximum-security facility for sex offenders. The study examined the records of 3,338 sex offenders.

Jacob · #13 03-20-2005, 04:34 PM

I find putting Sex Offenders back into society disturbing. I for one would not like to live near one if i had children, and i would feel that it may even start "normalising" such perverted acts.

Child: "Ooohh, look Mummy! A new neighbour!"
Mother: "Oh yes, that's Bob Harris. He buggered and killed four three year old boys. HI BOB!! Nice day, today!"

'That is a disgusting idea. We shouldn't sink to their violent, atavistic level.'

We're not. At least experimenting on them they help improve medical science whilst being kept away from children. Plus, we could also start having a peek into their Brains whilst they were still alive, and find out permanent solutions.

Al the Glukkon · #14 03-20-2005, 05:00 PM

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wow... that's a good idea, actually.

Sounds good with me, or at the least, never let them out of prison.

Statikk HDM · #15 03-20-2005, 05:04 PM

Aquatic Ambi=t3h most meaingful post0r.
Life in prison is much more costly than reform. And life in prison for a sex offender is basically a death warrant. Psych wards and rehabilitation makes a lot more sense. Just like drug abuse should be treated as a disease/medical matter instead of a crime so should sex offender cases.

TheRaisin · #16 03-20-2005, 05:54 PM

Errr. I generally agree with that. But I think sex offender cases should be treated as crimes. Ayhem.

Havoc · #17 03-20-2005, 06:31 PM

Crimes and treatment, yes. But I do think a sex offender should at least serve his full time in jail while undergoing treatment, and then be supervised as he goes back into society. When he does it again, its all over and he goes to live in prison or death penal.

Voodoo Hand · #18 03-21-2005, 04:45 AM

What do ya`ll think they should do with this guy?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...um_dogs_sex_dc

soulstice · #19 03-21-2005, 07:30 AM

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We're always getting these letters from the school district with warnings that "John Q. Sexoffender has moved to the blah block of Blah Avenue", along with a picture, a description, and an explanation of their criminal history. And invariably they say at the end "... is a Level Three Offender, with a high probability of re-offending." And I wonder, Why the hell do they release them then?

I agree that if a person can be rehabilitated, they should be set free again. But cases like this are just sick and stupid.

We get those too. And the letters are always like 'be vigilant and walk home with people.' In an area called Redbridge in Greater London, there is a particularly notorious ginger haired man who has molested small children and has been in a jail cell for 5 years and has received psychological treatment. Yet he still comitted more paedophilia after being released. Not all paedophiles should be released because an extremely high amount of them will always be nuts.

Jacob · #20 03-21-2005, 08:01 AM

I'm indifferent to animalsex. So long as the animal is not being raped/hurt in anyway.

'And life in prison for a sex offender is basically a death warrant.'

And, what's your point?

'Psych wards and rehabilitation makes a lot more sense. Just like drug abuse should be treated as a disease/medical matter instead of a crime so should sex offender cases.'

I really don't see how you can say that. Drug abuse, yes, is bad. But it's hardly a medical matter as in they were born to take Drugs. Sure, they may've been brought up in an area rife with it, but Hell, i'm born in a family rife with Heterosexuality, it doesn't mean i'm going to choose to be Straight and go against the wishes of nature (and the wishes of nature don't want people to be Drug addicts, that's my point there).

I also believe that Paedophilia is a mental issue, but big deal. They can easily choose not to rape a child. Why do it? Why?

I heard a statistic a couple of months back about Paedophiles being reformed, and it was a VERY low chance that they would be reformed. So, until then, using them for experimentation purposes is the best chance we have as a deterrent. And i really don't see why nobody in power brings this idea up...it's ridiculous just to say "Oh, he's reformed, let him out!" okay, maybe he has been reformed, but what if he hasn't? What if he escapes into society only to rape and kill more children...

Statikk, you'd be a great spokesperson for NAMBLA. Really.

Statikk HDM · #21 03-21-2005, 08:26 AM

A spokesperson for NAMBLA? Christ, I'm just making the case for a little more compassion and common-sense when it comes to treatment. I'm not like I'm shouting from the rooftops "Yay man-boy love!"
But there is one thing you are always pushing for and thats torture and murder out of hand and that is repulsive and unnecessary. I will say this for John Couey. He killed someone. That to me is a life in prison or a psych ward matter to me at the least, and if the crime is particularily heinous, such as MURDER the person may warrant the death penalty. If the person admitted it. And the evidence is overwhelming. And there is tons of corroborating testimony. Even then I don't think the death penalty is worth it because mistakes happen. How many times have we heard of people being killed or being on the verge of being killed before evidence sets them free?
Like I said, Jacob, if you'd want to kill a pedophile all you would have to do is throw them in a medium to max prison and wait. The pedophile would be terrified knowing that dozens, perhaps hundreds of violent felons are waiting to kill him or her. It could take days, it could take years but the odds are overwhelming for either a suicide from guilt and fear or someone killing them.

soulstice · #22 03-21-2005, 08:32 AM

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I'm indifferent to animalsex. So long as the animal is not being raped/hurt in anyway.

I strongly disagree with this. Basically, all animals' sexual organs are built in different ways. For examples, a human woman's vagina is designed to work in compatibility with a human man's penis. If another animal has sex with an animal of different species, surely that wouldn't be compatible and result in pain being caused to the other animal (more likely the female.) What I'm trying to say is that, the animal would always be raped-they can't consent for a human to have sex with them can they? If a human male were to have sex with, let's say a sheep. This would be painful for the female sheep as her vagina wouldn't be compatible with the male human and would be a wrong size. Also, the female sheep would not be stimulated by a male human as she would be with a male sheep so she wouldn't be ready to have sex (she wouldn't be lubricated as she has no attraction whatsoever to a male human). So I really can't agree with your point. BTW nothing in this post is intended to be perverted. Also, Jacob I don't intend to offend you or show you up, it's just how I feel.

Havoc · #23 03-21-2005, 09:46 AM

If it would be painfull for the animal it will let you know, simple as that. If you carry on doing whatever your doing, THEN its rape. Otherwise Its fine.

However, on the account of this persone im not sure what to think. Having sex with an animal out of compassion and love for it is fine as far as my standarts go, but apparently this guy had sex with every dog in the compound O.o. Which counts as rape as far as im concerned. Trow him in jail -_-.

Jacob · #24 03-21-2005, 12:46 PM

'What I'm trying to say is that, the animal would always be raped-they can't consent for a human to have sex with them can they?'

I go on the basis of if the woman's bent over naked, and the male Dog mounts her, then that's consent. On the other matters you have brought up, then you have a valid point, but like Havoc said, the animal will let you know.

'But there is one thing you are always pushing for and thats torture and murder out of hand and that is repulsive and unnecessary.'

It's not torture nor murder. It's medical advancement as a punishment. And this achieves medical/cosmetical advancement - thus animal rights organisations are all "Phew!" and the victims family are all "Yay! Punishment!"

'He killed someone.'

No. He RAPED and killed a child. Which makes it one hundred times more heinous.

'How many times have we heard of people being killed or being on the verge of being killed before evidence sets them free?'

That's all very well and good, but i go on the basis of the ends justify the means. If there was a chance to cure Cancer, AIDS and some other random incurable disease, and help the world, then i'd happily throw convicted Paedophiles, rapists, serial killers etc into the programme. Oh, so they could be innocent? Big deal. If one of them turns out to be innocent, then sure, that's bad, but s/he's helping a world fight disease. Get over it.

'Like I said, Jacob, if you'd want to kill a pedophile all you would have to do is throw them in a medium to max prison and wait. The pedophile would be terrified knowing that dozens, perhaps hundreds of violent felons are waiting to kill him or her. It could take days, it could take years but the odds are overwhelming for either a suicide from guilt and fear or someone killing them.'

I'd take a stab in the dark at this and say that Paedophiles don't feel guilt. 'cos if they did, they wouldn't so much as look at child porn, let alone rape a child. But all Paedophiles do.

And on the prison thing, over here in the UK, as sick as it is, Paedophiles get protection. They get put on a specialised wing, where they're with other Paedophiles. Here, they then exchange stories. Fantasies. And grooming methods. They also exchange contacts and websites.

Now, there's two things wrong with this, one being that they're protected and they're allowed to talk to each other about their sordid crimes. The other being the English prison system, which isn't actually a prison, more of a youth hostel. I recently saw a undercover documentary about a private prison (and it may've only been like this because it's private, but i've seen picturegraphs of other prisons and they're more or less the same) and in this prison they had -
Televisions in their cells
Posters on their walls
Playstation 2's
Widescreen televisions
Snooker tables
Curtains on their cell windows
Sofas
Newspapers delivered to them every morning

They could even sleep-in, and tell the guards not to jingle their keys in the morning in case they woke them up...

There're so many things wrong with our justice system.

soulstice · #25 03-22-2005, 07:51 AM

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'What I'm trying to say is that, the animal would always be raped-they can't consent for a human to have sex with them can they?'

I go on the basis of if the woman's bent over naked, and the male Dog mounts her, then that's consent. On the other matters you have brought up, then you have a valid point, but like Havoc said, the animal will let you know.

Oh, now I see what you mean. I interpreted it in a different way.

OANST · #26 03-22-2005, 09:03 AM

All of you talk a good game on this but if you don't have children you can't possibly understand. If anyone ever touched my baby I would rip their heart from their chest. You do not allow a monster to just go about his business. He deserves to be castrated and put into a dark room to live out the rest of his miserable days.

Agent-Sarah · #27 03-23-2005, 09:25 AM

Man Jacob, and I thought America was ****ed up.

Jacob · #28 03-23-2005, 11:37 AM

'Man Jacob, and I thought America was ****ed up.'

Indeedily, t'is why i'm conquering England first and sorting it out, and then moving onto the world.

AquaticAmbi · #29 03-23-2005, 12:19 PM

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Indeedily, t'is why i'm conquering England first and sorting it out, and then moving onto the world.

I'm with you, Jacob! Let us women and gay men unite. Together we will be unstoppable!