Marijuana and Philosophy

[sullytheraptor]

Does anyone who uses this forum experiment with Marijuana? Don't be shy. I only started at the start of this past summer. At first when I did it I was finding everything in the world funny. But now I'm starting to become very philisophical every time I smoke. I'd like to share philisophical discussions with other memebers, whether they smoke or not. So if you have any large realizations or epiphanies that have occurred to you recently, please feel free to share them.

One I've had is that there's something inside all of us that urges us to communicate our relation to society. Be us withdrawn from it or mingled into it, there's a basic human need to express where we stand and this is where art comes from. This is going on the same idea that humans all love one another. No matter how much you actually hate a person, there's a primal underlying bond between you and that person that you can't break. Your relationship with every single other human being is one of complete and total love.

Feel free to debate all of that.

[munchou]

I voted last option.
But it's just a personnal point of view

[TheRaisin]

Heh heh. I voted no and I don't truck wit dat, but man, if everybody sounded like you after smoking MJ, I would be out there with a picket sign and a hemp wallet chain and a funky hat, wearing old blue jeans and a tye-dye T-shirt and going "Make pot legal!"

I'm serious. I personally don't agree with marijuana, but if it does that to you, keep it up yo.

As for me, the sixteen or so ounces of Code Red I've had in the last several hours have been plenty enough for me. If I were some kind of artist I would be making love with my medium.

And as for your insights . . . totally, man. You are a credit to the human race for thinking that way. I agree one-a-hunred percent. Wah dah tah, my damie.

[sullytheraptor]

Heh heh. I voted no and I don't truck wit dat, but man, if everybody sounded like you after smoking MJ, I would be out there with a picket sign and a hemp wallet chain and a funky hat, wearing old blue jeans and a tye-dye T-shirt and going "Make pot legal!"

Haha, I wouldn't say I'm quite at that level. I appreciate that you support my means of phillisophical discovery even though you don't necessarily agree with them. I think use of pot is considered laregely evil in society, morso than alcohol which not only inspires no real provocative thought, but also leads to a lot more fatal accidents. My own oppinion is that if marijuana is illegal, so shouldn't alcohol be.

[TheRaisin]

Abso-freaking-lutely. I know potheads. They're cool people (most of them, there are these two girls, but I think they'd be spacey whores even if they didn't smoke pot). Which is more than I can say for drunk people. Or even prolific cigarette smokers (keep in mind I've encountered both of these, and they're often one and the same). Pot smells acrid, but I'd take the smell of it over the smell of effing tobacco any day of the week.

[Facsimile]

I don't smoke anything, but I did come to a realisation a couple of weeks ago when I was drunk. If nobody remembers something then it doesn't exist. Most people probably realised this ages ago, I'm not sure, but I thought it was amazing. As in, if there was an event, but no one could remember it then in a sence it never happened. It amazed me because these things would be lost forever.
Forever!

[paramiteabe]

It was marijuana that created the genus's of rock back in the 60s and 70s and still today. Without marijuana music just would not have become legondary back then. I believe marijuana somehow goes side by side with the creative part of yourself. It stimulates your creative power and u simply become a genus at what ever you do. Giger's artwork such as Alien was made possible by drugs. Well with Alien of course Giger was doing opium. A rather deeper drug than that of marijuana.

Doing opium H.R. Giger saw things that nobody could possibly imagine. It was the extra power of the drug that allowed him take that vision he had and put it on paper or canvas. Infact when the producer went to a gallery to see his work Giger, before he showed his bio mechanoid creations to the producer said "Care for some opium?" The producer replied "why"? Giger responded "because I am scared of my visions!" The producer replied "Its only your vision!" and Giger responded saying "Thats what im afraid of!"

You see drugs are really interesting when it comes to the creative part of one self wether its in art or music its an interesting thing.

Paramiteabe...

[Hobo]

Second bottom one for me. I'm only living once, and my dad's had it and he's been fine. So I don't see the point in worrying.

[sullytheraptor]

As in, if there was an event, but no one could remember it then in a sence it never happened. It amazed me because these things would be lost forever.
Forever!

Yeah, that is an interesting thought. It's true, too. My friend in highschool had this concept for a comic book he was toying around with along those concepts. People could willingly forget something and if this happened, that forgotten thing, or person, would just disapear forever and become nothing. A fate worse than death.

Sometimes the thought that in a thousand years I'll be nothing but decaying worm shit and a worn down tombstone causes me intense anguish. I don't want to be forever forgotten, but probably 99% of humans who have ever walked the earth stop existing when their loved ones die. One day my Grandpa will only be stories my father told me and whatever locked up subconcious memories I have of him before he died when I was two years old.

Second bottom one for me. I'm only living once, and my dad's had it and he's been fine. So I don't see the point in worrying.

I agree entirely. I sort of see it as right now I'm at the pinacle of self-discovery, and whatever means I need to get to that point really shouldn't be too big of a deal. A bit of shit in my lungs and a few lost brain cells, but what the hell, I'll cop out a few years earlier. In the grand scheme it doesn't seem like ten years is worth worrying about. Seems like a lot now, but when you get to that point, you're not doing a whole lot anyway.

[SeaRex]

I didn't vote because there wasn't a "Too apathetic to care about drugs" option.

That's just how I am. I mean, I don't really want to do any drugs, but I'm not some self-righteous, straight-edge snob that freaks out when someone mentions that they smoke cannabis every once in a while.

I just don't care to try them. If you like to smoke or drop acid or shoot up cheese balls then that's your business. Continue sticking it to the man. I have no qualms with you.

[Rich]

I like the way it brings out the creative side in people, with the side effects of highness. Yes, I hope to try it at some point in the next few years.

[TheRaisin]

Oh good point Luke. I already picked the last option, but that's not really how I feel. While I don't see myself doing drugs, I really don't have anything against people who do.

Fax, that was a theme in the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. The citizens of this society were trained to be able to forget and disregard things that the government told them were not real. Except for a pitiful few individual rebels, everybody forgot what the government told them to forget, so essentially those things never happened. That's a great novel. Really chilling.

Drugs may have good creative effects on some people, but I don't think drugs can create geniuses. I think only a certain kind of person will experience that kind of thing doing drugs.

[sullytheraptor]

Yes, 1984 is an incredible book. That's exactly what it is, too. They're so brainwashed that as soon as they're told something by the government, it's true. I think that's what's happening in America, especially since 9-11. People are just so brainwashed. "The war on terror!" You can't fight terror, it's an abstract concept.

I partially agree with you, TheRaisin, about drugs creating geniuses. You have to want to be able to be enlightened. Marijuana is only a tool for that. It's helped me in a lot of ways but I wouldn't say it's necessary. It just kind of speedens the process. It also helps me appreciate the art in things a lot more.

Recently I played Abe's Exoddus while high and it was one of the most intense experiences in my life. Every shadow I hid in, I was so hellbent on not getting killed by a slig. I realized that abe has saved, in the first two games alone, the lives of 399 of his fellow mudokons. Think about it. How many lives to most people save in the course of their entire lives? Some maybe one, a lot of people zero. Sure, firefighters and cops might save a lot more, but on average, you probably save one person's life in your entire life. And that's a huge deal. After AE, three hundred and ninety nine mudokons owed their life to Abe. And it's funny because in the cutscenes you can see that they can be so ungrateful about it. Like when Alf and everyone are pounding down the brews and completely ignoring Abe's warnings. Haha, it just makes me read into the games so much. I just can't help it, though, I love the characters.

[AquaticAmbi]

I didn't vote because there wasn't a "Too apathetic to care about drugs" option.

Aye, I would have voted if this had been an option as well. I have a few friends who like to experiment with marijuana and other drugs, and as long as no one is pressuring me to try them, I'm perfectly respectful of their choices. I do, however, let them know when I don't approve of something only when asked.

The positive side effects, as some may call them, mentioned here... are interesting, but meh. They're not enough to make me want to try them. I have several reasons as to why I personally just won't. After being exposed to violence and horrible situations at a young age because of my alcoholic/druggy father... I just can't allow myself to even come close to following in his footsteps. Plus, you know, there's negative side effects too... but those are mainly caused by long term use. Immediate problems that could result from smoking marijuana or other types of drugs involve how judgement is usually affected first, meaning dangers to yourself or others could ensue if you decided you wanted to drive while high, for instance. Or something.

Your choices are yours and yours only. That's your business, and I will not judge you by my own standards, which I hold only for myself. It's just not for me.

EDIT: The only thing close to getting high or whatever for me was being put to sleep for oral surgery last month. I wasn't actually unconcious, but it felt like I was waking up from sleep when it was over. The last thing I remember is the speckles on the ceiling swirling around... I mean, they were actually moving all around each other. It made the experience a little more enjoyable of a memory. Speaking of memory, how much can you people that use marajuana remember after getting high? I would think it would be pretty pointless if you can't even remember the majority of having a good time.

[OANST]

I don't really do anything now that I have a family but I used to use a hell of a lot of drugs. I used to sell pot actually. And other things as well. But I'm responsible now and I keep my nose clean. Literally.
God I'm stupid.

[Godlesswanderer]

I don't use marijuana, never have. But I know a lot about it. Also, I found a site with loads of info about it. So just incase anyone wants to ask any questions about it check on http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabi..._effects.shtml first. It has positive, negative and neutral effects of it there. Its also very interesting.

Oh yeah, I voted for No, but I'm curious and might try it in the near future. I havn't tried any drugs apart from medical stuff (eg. paracetamol, calpol, etc) But after reading that site, I'm beginning to wonder what it's like.

[Leeum]

Option 2 for me, glad someones finally mentioned this sort of stuff. Just as a little proof, last time my friend was flat out on the floor and seemed to think i looked like god He kept telling me light was shining on me and i looked holy in someway.

[Rich]

Option 2 for me, glad someones finally mentioned this sort of stuff. Just as a little proof, last time my friend was flat out on the floor and seemed to think i looked like god He kept telling me light was shining on me and i looked holy in someway.

Dude, you're 14. It's not healthy to smoke at that age! Wait till you're 15!

[TheRaisin]

Heh. Um yeah whatever.

I don't really have any clue about most of what marijuana does (I know it's bad for your lungs, I've heard it lowers sperm count, and it probably kills brain cells, correct?). Does it affect the liver in any way? If so, I would recommend waiting until you're a young adult (eighteen to twenty) before you try it, as a human liver is not fully developed until you completely finish growing. But of course I don't know if it does anything to the liver so this is all speculation. So. Yeah.

If I ever did any drug it would be marijuana. It sounds like with MJ you get the best results with the lowest number of side effects and the least intensity thereof. If I ever did drugs. Which I probably won't. But I think I'd like to learn about them in case I ever feel the need to get into that sort of stuff. And besides that, it's interesting.

[Leeum]

Dude, you're 14. It's not healthy to smoke at that age! Wait till you're 15!

It's 16 isn't it?

[Rich]

It's 16 isn't it?

It's illegal anyway.
I can't remember the laws, are they something like, "You can smoke cannabis as long as it is not in a public place", "You can possess it but not in large quantities" and "Buying it is illegal".

If I ever did any drug it would be marijuana.

My Father told me, that if I ever tried any intoxicating substance (not counting alcohol), he'd prefer it to be Marijuana. It is less harmful than legal cigars and cigarettes. As far as I know it doesn't harm your liver. (why would it? It doesn't pass through digestion organs)

Like I said I hope to try it, at least once, during my post-high school years.

[TheRaisin]

No liver damage? Cool, cool. The more I think about it, the more I think I would try marijuana. The main reason I wouldn't consider smoking it even if I really wanted to is that I'm afraid I would become quite addicted. I get addicted to things fairly easily (caffeine, video games, et cetera). Maybe some day in the not-too-distant future they'll find a way to refine it so that it's not addictive and has few harmful side effects. That would be great.

[Al the Glukkon]

No. Most of the potheads I know are assholes, I don't know why, I don't even care if anyone else smokes pot. My friend and I laughed at this one guy becuase he lit his balls on fire while he was high. For student elections we put him down as most likely to become a millionare, then laughed some more.

[Leto]

1 for me. When I'm high, I'm not exactly smart. I guess it's just the sort of guy I am.
I mean, I can talk to people and things, but I constantly laugh at windows. And mugs.
As for it being illegal to buy it, why dont they just exchange it and give the person complimentry money?

[AquaticAmbi]

My Father told me, that if I ever tried any intoxicating substance (not counting alcohol), he'd prefer it to be Marijuana. It is less harmful than legal cigars and cigarettes.

Mmnope. It's three times worse than cigarettes (and maybe cigars, not sure) when you compare smoking one joint to smoking one cigarette. However, if you look at it from a different perspective, probably the one your dad was coming from, a marijuana smoker smokes less than a regular cigarette smoker usually. So in that way, it can be less harmful.

[Rich]

Hmmm. Probably what he meant. I mean, regular cigarette smokers can smoke 50 fags (slang!) a day. Marijuana smokers may smoke two joints a week, at the weekend or share a joint with others.

[Disgruntled Intern]

Mmnope. It's three times worse than cigarettes (and maybe cigars, not sure) when you compare smoking one joint to smoking one cigarette. However, if you look at it from a different perspective, probably the one your dad was coming from, a marijuana smoker smokes less than a regular cigarette smoker usually. So in that way, it can be less harmful.

Don't buy into anti-drug propaganda.

I've been smoking marijuizzy on and off for the past few years. While I'm neither for or against drug use I feel that if a person is going to experiment with any drug then it's best to do so during the late teen years when you have nothing absurdly important* to lose.




That's not to say that people can't smoke the herb on a regular basis and lead a very successful life. My mother smokes pot on a fairly regular basis and holds down a high paying corporate position. Some people are so stupid that they can't afford to lose any more brain cells, while some people are smart enough to know when and when not to drag the ole' bong out of the closet, you know?



*Sure, there's school and some shitty part time job, but if used in moderation a drug like Mariuizzy shouldn't even come close to effecting your studies or work-life. Even if it does, wouldn't you rather fail your biology exam instead of ruining your family with prolific drug use?

[munchman]

I voted no;it does smell good though.

[TheRaisin]

I actually don't mind the smell of MJ very much. Other than the fact that it makes my eyes water a little. Anyway it's a thousand times better than mother humping cigarette smoke. God that stuff is awful. You don't need to be a doctor to know that second-hand smoke is bad for you. You just have to smell it. I don't care if people want to smoke that stuff, I don't even care if they do it in public, but dammit, I wish they wouldn't do it near me!

[Disgruntled Intern]

"I don't care if people want to smoke that stuff, I don't even care if they do it in public, but dammit, I wish they wouldn't do it near me!"

Wow, stupid and contradictory!