The Ultimate religion debate thread!

[paramiteabe]

Well its time religion stays out of other threads. I learned it and a number other people probabally learned it too. So I used my smarts and thought well why not we have a religion debate thread in order to keep it out of other threads? So here it is the ultimate Religion debate thread where if you have a fued towards someone elses religion come on in and bash away because where else will you be able to bash religion and get a proper answer relateing to the topic of the thread? No where except here thats where so theoryise, proclaim, bash, and display your religious wisdom and juice here in this thread! I think for now on all religious debate should be placed in this thread. Kind of like Questions and answer in GD but this is religious talk central if you get my drift. Thankyou and God bless!

Paramiteabe...

[oddguy]

I think that people have the right to believe what they want, so I won't be 'bashing' in this thread. Jesus wants us to all get along anyway. When ya go to heaven, God isn't gong to say, "Hmmmm, oh darn...you seem to be a Buddhist. Sorry, can't let ya in!" He'll judge you by your heart, actions...etc.

-oddguy

[Abe16]

God even loves our enemys, He wants us to belive in him.


John 3:16

For who so ever belive in me, should not parish, but have ever lasting life.

[Al the Glukkon]

Yeah, I think it doesn't matter what religion people have.

[DarkHoodness]

From a personal point of view, and for myself, religion is pretty pointless and a complete waste of time. It'd do nothing for me at all, especailly when I have myself and those around me to belive in. Nor do I really care why we exist and where we came from. . . Life's pretty pointless for me, I just stay here because I find it fun. And people need me.

I'm gonna be simple here, 'cause I'm tired and can't think properly. Maybe I'll elborate this whole post properly later including what I've just said. . . There's a whole lot more to what I think then what I've just written, and to what I'm about to write.

But anyway, I think people have a right to belive what they want. There is nothing wrong with religion, provided it doesn't harm anyone or anything. . . I only see any type of religion wrong, when it starts to make people harm others. Why religion makes people harm others may depend on many factors, however. . .
- DH

[Shell Man]

I just want to say that religion doesn't have the monopoly on spirituality. Life itself is the one true religion because it unites everybody, everything else is just made by people for people. Good and evil balance one another and the universe couldn't exist without either one.

[oddguy]

There is nothing wrong with religion, provided it doesn't harm anyone or anything. . . I only see any type of religion wrong, when it starts to make people harm others. Why religion makes people harm others may depend on many factors, however. . .
- DH

Totally agree with you.

Have you heard of "Saved?" It's a movie out here in the U.S right now. I wanna see it, but it's only playing in select cities. Anywho, it's about weird religious people.

-oddguy

[paramiteabe]

For me I don't believe in what church you belong to will make you better than anybody. With me I believe that it doesn't matter what religion you are because in the eyes of God we are all the same. People who think that really need a wake up call. God doesn't care on wether your a Catholic or Muslim. He cares about you and your faith in him. God wants us to be more like him and that is one of his great gifts he gave us.

[Hobo]

God even loves our enemys, He wants us to belive in him.


John 3:16

For who so ever belive in me, should not parish, but have ever lasting life.

Where the hell did you come from?

oh. Not another bloody religion thread. *avoids*

[Fez]

"I'm not a slave, to a GOD, WHO DOESNT EXSIST. I'm not a slave, to a world, who doesnt give a shit!" - Marilyn Manson - The Fight Song

[Esus]

Why create a thread with no specific topic? I have nothing to reply to, because you didn't bright up an issue to debate.

[Havoc]

Where the hell did you come from?

oh. Not another bloody religion thread. *avoids*

Right behind ya...

[oddguy]

Yeah, like Esus said...nothing is really going on in here.

I already said what I wanted, so there's nothing left for me to do...

-oddguy

[Facsimile]

Okay. I will try to bring up a topic... Umm... Okay:
If everyone was born from two people, how did different skin colours (that's how it's spelled you American pricks!) come about?
The answer could be basic bible knowledge, but I haven't read it so please, someone enlighten me.

[Joshy]

I think that people have the right to believe what they want, so I won't be 'bashing' in this thread. Jesus wants us to all get along anyway. When ya go to heaven, God isn't gong to say, "Hmmmm, oh darn...you seem to be a Buddhist. Sorry, can't let ya in!" He'll judge you by your heart, actions...etc.

-oddguy

Actually God will not other people who believe in other religion in such as Buddhism into heaven. Since God gave the law saying you shall not worship false idols and he is the only God etc... But thats only the case when you have heard of Christianity and its teaching and rejected it. If you've been brought up only knowing Buddhism and not knowing Christianity or Jesus, then you will be judge by your actions etc.

From a personal point of view, and for myself, religion is pretty pointless and a complete waste of time. It'd do nothing for me at all, especailly when I have myself and those around me to belive in.
- DH

The point of Christianity is to give salvation to mankind. So you can live in heaven after you die and not burn in hell.

From my personal opinion, i cant really be bothered with religion, since spending 1.5 hours in church every sunday is too much. Which is my current situation.

[ClaireBear]

The point of Christianity is to give salvation to mankind. So you can live in heaven after you die and not burn in hell.

From my personal opinion, i cant really be bothered with religion, since spending 1.5 hours in church every sunday is too much. Which is my current situation.

The point of any religion is control!

Also as we are one of the few animals (perhaps saving Elephants, dolphins and some whales) that are aware of our demise... the whole after life, reincarnation theories stop us from running around going "OH MY GOD! THIS IS IT? I WORK AT WALMART/ASDA... EARN S**T! LIVE LIKE S**T THEN I'M WORM FOOD... STOP THE WORLD I WANNA GET OFF!"

The control element ties in wonderfully with this theory... if you don't want to just be "wormfood" and end up in Heaven, Nivarna or reincarneted as something a leetle bit better than a beetle... you have to follow a predetermined set of rules... rules which just happen to be very much alike in all religions... coincidence?.... me thinky not! These rules are intensified by the threat of Hell or Pergatory (Joshy you have to do something seriously wrong according to scripture to go straight to Hell... first stop for most of "us" is Pergatory)

I am not religious in anyway... if you are bully for you, great, kudos! I don't want to change your mind or ridicule you.

Its not your fault that you have overactive electrical brain activity in the frontal cortex similar to that found in alcoholics and shoppaholics which sadly I lack and will never feel the need to "belong" to a large group of similarly minded people and give up half my Sunday to feel better about death and all the bad stuff I've done that week.

I would never persecute others for their beliefs but it just ain't my bag... we're basically animals... you live, you f**k, procreate and then you die... THE END! It doesn't bother me but I can see how it might to some people. I dunno... AND... shock horror! I'm not even Christened... my parents felt it was up to me to make my own choices concerning religion... something you may have appreciated Joshy... but if you weren't forced into it at 4 months old... would you go to church and have strong pro Christianity views? Probably not.

[Shell Man]

Here's the thing, all religions can't be right, because they contradict one another. And it wouldn't make sense for just one of them to be right, because that wouldn't work for everybody. The Christian idea of paradise might be someone else's idea of hell. How can the answers be in something that has so many of our preferences and interpretations put into it? We know people have put their own spin on it since the beginning, it's been through countless hands, why put the fate of my soul in that? That's why I say you have to look for the one thing we all have in common, that of course being life. You weren't around thousand of years ago to see the events of the bible, you didn't see who wrote the bible, but you are alive and on this Earth just like everybody else. Nobody is excluded.

[Joshy]

but if you weren't forced into it at 4 months old... would you go to church and have strong pro Christianity views? Probably not.

Personally? Probably not. Hmmz my strong Christianity views probably came from being educated from catholic schools. But i dont think i am a good christian, and in my mind i dont want to goto church.

[ClaireBear]

Personally? Probably not. Hmmz my strong Christianity views probably came from being educated from catholic schools. But i dont think i am a good christian, and in my mind i dont want to goto church.

You shouldn't have to go to charch to be considered a good Christian anyway.

If its important to you.... I am sure you are a very good Christian Joshy.

[paramiteabe]

Why create a thread with no specific topic? I have nothing to reply to, because you didn't bright up an issue to debate.

This is the whole point of this thread to put all religious talk into it. It doesn't have to be a debate if you want it to be, be my guest.

So far everyone is talking about religion thus this makes it the proper place to spill your religious views. I am not saying go ahead and bash Christians or what not. But if your going to then do it here because we don't want it in other threads. Tell me do you want religion talk to end up in another thread that has nothing to do with religion in the first place? Well I believe that has gone on far enough and its about time to keep all the religion talk situated in one spot. Here in this thread. If you don't want to talk about religion then don't visit this thread. Its a very simple concept that some of you make complex!

Has mankind gone mad? Why do people hate people who are Christians who just want to deliver hope for the world? The world is sick and I believe Man has the capacity to do good and what is right. For all that is right will always triumpth over all that is evil in this world. We have to stop butchering ourselves and open our eyes to the true meaning of life.

[Jacob]

'Why do people hate people who are Christians who just want to deliver hope for the world?'

Because the vast majority of them are utter c*nts.

Aiiiiges ago, middle ages i do believe, the everyday person didn't have Bibles. Only the Churchy people had them, because it was considered a sin to read the Bible yourself [not only that, but many a person couldn't read].

So, when it became okay for people to own their own Bibles, the Bibles themselves started getting copied and distributed. It is this that i believe is one of the bigger flaws. For nobody truely knows what was added/taken out [if anything] of the Bible. All it needs is one twat to write something like "If you see a dirty, little Jiggaboo...burn him/her" or something along those lines, and suddenly all black people are non-existant.

Personally i find Religion okay so long as people don't go OTT with it. Nobody truely knows what happens after death, and yet people are willing to waste their lives living with false hope. There has also been sufficient evidence to show that WE are the people responsible for miracles/wonders, not God. The Stigmata effect appears on the palms of a persons hands, yet recently it was revealed that Christ would have been nailed through the wrists. This, i believe, is substantial evidence - that because certain people have such a strong belief in Christ [and believe he was nailed through the palms] that they themselves start bleeding through the palms. Much like in Wicca, where you'd use your own energy to do good/bad.

There's also something disturbing about Christian teens all praying and crying to God. Teens aren't supposed to do that, they're supposed to do wild and wacky things, like drink alcohol, run around in circles and then race up and down the garden - laughing constantly as they fall into bushes. But instead what do they do? They raise their hands whilst shouting: "Amen" and "Prrrrrraise the Lord!!" and sob...yes...fun(!)

Then they mock other, minority, religions - such as Raelism. Yeh, we'll see who's laughing when Rael comes down and gives you all the finger [although chances are you will all say its the Devil spreading his seed among the evil].

[Esus]

If everyone was born from two people, how did different skin colours (that's how it's spelled you American pricks!) come about?
The answer could be basic bible knowledge, but I haven't read it so please, someone enlighten me.

Bible version: Some people (could be Cane, not sure...) was bad. And I'm sure we all know what a unforgiving prat god is, so he decided to punish this guy. How, you asked? Well, of course, he cursed him and made his skin black, then sent him to Africa.
When in Africa, this guy can millions of children and quickly became the majority on the planet, though it is rumoured that because of this punishment, God sends every black person to hell.
Many a-modern day christian doesn't believe this anymore of course, because it's considered racist and everythins about being politically correct.

Though remember this is compeltely tosh, invented by some European (most likely) who had a few black slaves and/or thought of the blacks in Africa as barbarians/primates who are sub-human. Now 'inter-racial' relations have gradually developed, such things probably wouldn't have been written. Unfortunately, the bible is soo widely distributed that now its really hard to add personal grudges into it and putting it off as the word of god, but back in the day, people can write what they wanted and it became the word of god, and everything of righteousness forever more!

Though it remains tosh. The black people were the first people upon the planet, and skin pigmentation developed and became more white both through inter-breeding with the Neanderthals (who were always european, as far as anyone knows) and because it was an ice age, where the sun wasn't dark enough for the skin to keep needing to protect the under layers from the UV rays.

[oddguy]

Actually God will not other people who believe in other religion in such as Buddhism into heaven. Since God gave the law saying you shall not worship false idols and he is the only God etc... But thats only the case when you have heard of Christianity and its teaching and rejected it. If you've been brought up only knowing Buddhism and not knowing Christianity or Jesus, then you will be judge by your actions etc.

You know your stuff, Joshy. Cheers!

Oy, and I'm a Christian Teen, Jacob...I don't cry and raise my hands in public. It's a stereotype my lad.

-oddguy

[Havoc]

Ok... I just can't resist anymore! I just have to say something here!!

Just a quike statement. Religion is what you believe. So nothing you BELIEVE is nececerly the truth, thats why its called riligion. No one on this plannet today knows exactly what happand in the time Jezus lived. No one know's how earth was made. And no one knows who wrote the bible (does it even say in the bible who wrote the damn thing?).

I do know though... that there are a lot of flaws in the bible... not only in the story's told, but also in the rule's set up.

Some people (could be Cane, not sure...) was bad. And I'm sure we all know what a unforgiving prat god is, so he decided to punish this guy. How, you asked? Well, of course, he cursed him and made his skin black, then sent him to Africa.

Ok... so whats that about? I dunno if its in the bible cuz I never read the entire thing, but knowing the god a little... and knowing from the story's that I HAVE read... I know god wouldnt make a fool out of bad ppl. Adam (or was it Eve :P) got send away cuz he ate the apple... the entire world drowend cuz it had gone bad, and everyone was fighting and stuff (if that was the rule... then why isn't the world flooded by now?) but never have I read a piece of text (from the parts I know) where god or jezus punnished a guy by making him look like a fool (cuz by making someone black I take it that was the intention).

I don't have a problem with religion either... as long as it doesnt bother me... and I just have the luck to be in this realy tiny town for a little while where everyone is so strongly riligian... you get the entire village after you if say 'Holly ****ing god!' just once. Thats where I put the line... that goes to far for me and when I see stickers at the train station stating: Praise the lord, he will save you from hell, believe in god and he will believe in you, jezus is the son of god and so are you... all that kinda stuff just downright pisses me off.
Cuz when you are a believer, then you should get that from your family, not from some stupid sticker on a staircase which, on top of it all, has a text on it that just make's me sick!

And furthermore... one of the best statements I found in this topic so far is by far this one:

I would never persecute others for their beliefs but it just ain't my bag... we're basically animals... you live, you f**k, procreate and then you die... THE END! It doesn't bother me but I can see how it might to some people. I dunno... AND... shock horror! I'm not even Christened... my parents felt it was up to me to make my own choices concerning religion... something you may have appreciated Joshy... but if you weren't forced into it at 4 months old... would you go to church and have strong pro Christianity views? Probably not.

This just clearly reflects my point of standing. We are not better then animals, since we are animals ourselfs. Highly evolved animals maybe, but still animals. Heck who knows, maybe in another million years (if earth still exists by that time) some other animals will have evolved just as far as we are now and we would have a tiger a neighboor... (I know, I need to stop with the whole tiger thing )
But lets just say that we where all "children of Adam and Eve, then we would be all family! And all animals would be family to. And if my girlfriend is actualy family of me then having sex with here is actualy incest isnt it?
Thereby on a nother note, when two family members have sex and have children, 90 percent of the time the children are deformed, this happands sometime's at a zoo and the children that are born out of it are always killed. If we would be all family of each other then our children should all have visual handicaps, since two blood relative's are the parrents.
So thats a point to think about. I hope I stated it clearly and all cuz this story got a bit longer then intended. But at least I said almost everything I wanted to say .

Carry on with your diccusion... il be... in the cafeteria... eating an apple...

So... I geuse I just made a damn good point about how I look into religion... no offence everyone, these are just my views.

[Jacob]

Esus, if that's true that really is amusing. Now all those Jiggaboo-ing African Christians can all do their merry dance to Satans land of Brimstone...

'It's a stereotype my lad.'

I meant to say "some". Although i have seen many a teen cry whilst singing some random hymn. And it's at that moment in time i'd really love to connect my foot with their testicles, in a swift movement kinda way...

'wouldnt make a fool out of bad ppl.'

He wasn't making a fool out of him, from what i understand after expelling Cain from the Garden of Eden he then marked him, so if anybody ever saw him they could kill him. I've always imagined God marking Cain with a scar, but turning him Black would also be a good way of marking him, infact, a better way. So yeh, it was so Cain spent the rest of his living days running in fear. And for the record, it was Eve who ate the Apple, and i think she then tried to say to Adam "Come, come and taste it's sweet Appley goodness...Mmm...oh yeh, that's right baby." and some cheesy Jazz music kicked in [played by Gabriel, of course]...

Oh, and God hasn't flooded the world again because he said he never would. He felt very sorry for what he did, and bowed his head in shame. Naughty tyke.

Although, saying that, if God flooded the world and killed everyone, this also means he killed all the Black people...so...where the Hell did they come from?! They're everywhere...i bet they're not even black, i bet they just rub shoe polish on them. Damn them!! Damn them to Hell!!

[Nate]

Actually it wasn't Cain who was (supposedly) turned black it was Noah's son (I can't remember which one) because he mocked his father one time when he was pissed (Noah, not the son). And the punishment is not actually in the bible, it was made up by a commentator and is generally not highly regarded.

Actually God will not other people who believe in other religion in such as Buddhism into heaven. Since God gave the law saying you shall not worship false idols and he is the only God etc...

See this is the problem with the perspective on religion today. Too many people form their opinions based on the most outspoken Christians out there - who tend to be the fundamentalists. The people who go quietly through their lives practicing any religion (christianity included), trying to better the world and themselves tend to get ignored and replaced by bible-bashing tossers.

Joshy, there are plenty of religions out there that don't say that you have to be a member of their club. eg any of the polytheistic religions. Also, moderate Islam says that you're okay as long as you are a monotheist (though still not as good as a Muslim). Judaism says you're fine as long as you keep the 'Seven Laws of the Sons of Noah' ('Son's of Noah' meaning everyone in the world) which are as follows:

no murder
no stealing
no worshipping idols (generally this means physical idols, other religions are ok)
no blasphemy (not too sure what this means in this case)
no sexual immorality (lots of rules in here)
no eating a limb of a living animal (generally regarded as a basic law about cruelty to animals)
and the big one: You must establish your own laws and systems of justice.


Now if you aren't jewish you won't get the same reward as if you were, but Jewish people have to follow 613 commandments instead of 7 so we also have a further way to fall. (BTW this is the source of the phrase 'Chosen People' - chosen for further responsibility, not special treatment)

[nads]

Religion clouds life so religion can give itself a rimmy.

[oddguy]

I can't be bothered to read these rediculously long posts. Shame on you all! I'm leaving!

-oddguy

[Volsung]

I was always under the impression that Cain was marked with white skin. Presumably, since darker skin tends to occur in places with more transient housing methods the proto-humans of back in the day were dark. Besides, Cain isn't mortal, right? I believe he was supposed to walk the earth forever in shame. This is where the christian rationale for vampires came from. I may have assumed too much by guessing that the story of cain and abel was an allegory for white agriculturalists killing darker skinned shepherding people. I mean; whitey ain't right.

But I can't say too much, because I do have a hatred of people who believe in "civilization" and "converting" as well as a general disdain of people who choose the one book of unsubstantiated evidence against the numerous real-life examples and oft-tested evidence given by the real world. Where we live. But alas, people continue to follow ill-guided "faith" in the belief that someone or something is "testing" their resolve. If you don't like cults, you can't like religion.

I don't mean to soley bash christianity here, I equally dislike all religions of the book: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. And I don't mean to imply that people who follow these faiths are all witless, tottering, inbred sheep unable to form coherent sentences without the aid of an authority figure guiding them by their lily-white pampered hands. Clearly there are religous people of intelligence, but most of these have ceased to live or be heard, generally because their ideas are considered too "liberal." As if conservatives necessarily own religous fervor.

The main point is that the Religions of the book are bound and determined to kill or convert all opposed. And that ain't cool.

EDIT: And Jacob's rendition of Adam and Eve's fall from grace just made him my hero. Also, as usual, Shell Man is right on target. Comes from living in Seattle, probably.

[Coiled Ice]

A few people have made similar comments to mine but oh well.

Religion is pointless. People can believe in what ever they want to, but I think when it causes people pain and suffering, that it is not doing any good. I also hate it when people push their beliefs down your throat.

You know them things on the Church's where they write their little things? The one in Traralgon (next town over fom where I live) said: "Put your life in God's hands, he can do more with it then you ever will."

Pardon my language, but what the ****? What a bunch of bullshit. That makes me so angry. This is when religion pisses me off.

If people just get along and don't cause pain to anyone with their religious beliefs then it doesn't matter to me.

I really don't care how me came into this world, how we were made and such. I just live life to the fullest. Life's too short to waste time on religion, we could all die tomorrow and what have some people done with their lives?

Heh... I too am going to quote Manson. "Dear God if you were alive, you know we'd kill you." - God Eat God