Experimentation On Humans

Mac the Janitor · #1 03-12-2004, 05:27 AM

Okay, so I've been thinking about this for a while, and that improving humans thread sparked me to create this thread. If we were allowed to experiment and test different things on humans, we'd be a lot farther scientifically. We could discover new ways to help people out...and stuff. Now I'm not talking about fuzzle-type stuff here, just testing new ideas on people to see if they work. I mean, as long as the "test subject" acknowledges the fact that bad things may happen to him/her, I think it'd be a great advancement.

Do you think that experimentation on humans should be legal?

Jacob · #2 03-12-2004, 05:44 AM

Yes, Paedophiles should undergo human experimentation. As should seriel killers/rapists. Especially in America, since then the people would have a choice to live life being a Guinea Pig or to die...

Sekto Springs · #3 03-12-2004, 07:51 AM

Yes, I don't think quick executions are a fitting way to end a sicko's life. They should send them into the deepest, darkest, rustiest, and most pointy testing labs and tested to see if certain products are eye-irritant. And for those sick bastards who kill dozens of people and ejaculate in there intestines, well, they should test their corrosive materials and blade sharpness on them.

Fez · #4 03-12-2004, 09:43 AM

its always good to use live targets for practice in the Army...

Mac the Janitor · #5 03-12-2004, 03:05 PM

Now I'm not talking about painful torture here, I'm just talking about little modifications and such to see what side effects it would produce. I mean, just trying stuff out to see if we can improve senses, brain capacity, etc.

oddguy · #6 03-12-2004, 03:53 PM

I saw an interesting story the other day. I'm not sure where it was in the United States, but abondoned children with HIV ranging from 2 months to five years of age were being given experimental drugs.

These kids had no relatives, so Doctors firgured they could try out some experimental HIV treatments on the kids since they had no chance anyway.

A nurse from this hospital reported that some of these experiments caused terrible side effects ranging from vomiting blood, loss of feeling in legs and even loss of legs themselves.

To sum it up, the last moments of these kids lives were put through torture.

-=[oddguy

Sekto Springs · #7 03-12-2004, 04:02 PM

Oddguy's got a point here. It's too risky to do such tests on people when we don't know what the outcome will be. I mean...*sniff*....think of the children.

But testing on convicts and such like a mentioned earlier would be much better

oddguy · #8 03-12-2004, 04:10 PM

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But testing on convicts and such like a mentioned earlier would be much better

Yes, experimentation on those who deserve punishment would be just.

Funny thing is, I see a video game scenario playing through my mind.

Convict gets put through torturous experiments. One experiment goes wrong and now convict has super-strengh, psychic powers...etc. Convict escapes and seeks out his revenge.

Kinda similiar to Munch now that I think about it. Except Munch was innocent. We all know Munch was originally going to pull a Mr. Hyde on us.

-oddguy

Mac the Janitor · #9 03-12-2004, 04:34 PM

Que pasa?

What's all this about Munch pulling a Mr. Hyde?

Sekto Springs · #10 03-12-2004, 04:37 PM

It sounds like a cross between Man-hunt and Jak 2

oddguy · #11 03-12-2004, 06:52 PM

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Que pasa?

What's all this about Munch pulling a Mr. Hyde?

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Munch was originally supposed to be a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde character, where he would get angry and become a berserk monster due to adrenal steroid testing that had been performed on him. Unfortunately the technical considerations of having this happen in the middle of gameplay were too great to be done in time for Xbox launch, so that whole idea was scrapped in order to make good on the company’s arrangement with Microsoft.

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It sounds like a cross between Man-hunt and Jak 2

Yeah, it sure does!

-oddguy

Mac the Janitor · #12 03-12-2004, 06:59 PM

Ahh, I see. Thanks for the clearing up, Oddguy. I never knew that.

oddguy · #13 03-12-2004, 07:04 PM

To tell you the truth, I didn't know that either. Not until this recent Poygon article. Sorry, I just assumed all the long time forumers knew.

***Alcar*** · #14 03-12-2004, 07:31 PM

I don't think we should experiment on humans. However, if it's to test cosmetic products on them, instead of animals, then yes.

Alcar...

The Red Muse · #15 03-12-2004, 09:32 PM

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Yes, Paedophiles should undergo human experimentation. As should seriel killers/rapists. Especially in America, since then the people would have a choice to live life being a Guinea Pig or to die...

I totally agree with this!
Except paedophiles, in my opinion, should not even have the right to choose wheter to live as a human guinea pig or die. Kill 'em all!

Horrible people... them paedophiles...

***Alcar*** · #16 03-13-2004, 01:04 AM

Ah, but then one could argue that paedophilia is an attraction just like sexuality (boy finds girl attractive, boy - boy, girl - girl). However, in my opinion, I think it isn't an attraction as such.

I believe that these people have had terrible things happen to them in their past. Things that demoralise, and make them feel weak. The attraction to children could be about the need to feel powerful. No child is going to be able to withstand an attack from a paedophile, and the paedophila knows this. By screaming, the child is only satisfying the paedophiles need to feel in control, and powerful.

Of course, that's fairly generalised. But then, if the Christians can do it, so can I

Alcar...

Jacob · #17 03-13-2004, 04:04 AM

Paedophilia is a Brain disorder, apparently. However, it does range and vary. Like Alcar said, some may have been made to feel weak...and thus they have a severe domination streak running through them.

Just because it is a Brain disorder though and they may not be able to help it, doesn't mean they should get sympathy. They know what they're doing is wrong and they know it will cause harm and damage to others and thus they, as adults, should be able to restrain themselves.

I think in the world now, if the Governments ever do suggest this, there will be a public outcry. Especially with the bastards who work at that human rights place, they've already turned Prison into some kind of Happy-camp, what with Tv's, matress' and decentness. Prison should be no Tv, severe bordom and your privlages taken away, but prisoners only seem to have their freedom taken away and can still do quite a few things that they could on the outside.

But i digress, but yeh, the humanities people will be all like "No, you can't do this...sure they may have raped a 2 year old child, torturing it brutally by cutting its toes off and pulling its finger nails off before brutally burning its legs off until it died of pain...but they're humans too dammit!!". However, a simple way to get around this is to say "We know they're humans, that is why we are doing this...if we can find what triggers Paedophilia by experimenting on them, then we can ultimatly cure it...see...everybody's happy.".

I think in a public opinion poll, experimenting on Paedophiles over animals would be a very popular choice.

Sekto Springs · #18 03-13-2004, 08:49 AM

Sociopaths are the ones that should suffer. Paedophiles and Psychopaths can't always control their minds/bodies and it leads them to murder and rape. I agree that psychos and Paedophiles should be punished but not to such an extent. Socios, on the other hand, know exactly what they're doing and they do so without guilt. Paedophilliacs can also be sociopaths and have achieved the title of Paedophile because their primary victims are children, but this doesn't mean they have paedophillia as a brain disorder, they're just sickos. The 'professionals' behind these things should stop trying to save money and run their tests to see who's what so they know which to send to the labs.

Jacob · #19 03-13-2004, 10:15 AM

'Paedophiles and Psychopaths can't always control their minds/bodies and it leads them to murder and rape.'

I don't see how a Paedophile can't prevent themselves from harming a child?

oddguy · #20 03-13-2004, 11:30 AM

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I don't see how a Paedophile can't prevent themselves from harming a child?

They can prevent it. Yes, Paedophiles are screwed up, but they know what they're doing is wrong...that's why they do it in secret, to prevent from being arrested. If you're able to understand that, then you're fully aware of the consequences. Defying law is a choice...not an accident.

-oddguy

Adder · #21 03-13-2004, 11:38 AM

I'd agree that as long as the subject is willing (of their own free will), of sound mind, and able to comprehend what he/she 's doing that it should be allowed.

Of course, I have similar views on slavery, but I haven't gone into deep thought about that yet, so I don't know if it can ever be changed to an... acceptable form.

As a side note:
Rape isn't about sex, it's about power.
It's about doing something to someone cause you CAN, not cause you want sex. We all know there are prostitutes for sex, but not rape. Rape is a power trip, not a sexual urge (unless you're aroused by power... which you probably would be)

Jacob · #22 03-13-2004, 12:30 PM

'They can prevent it'

Yes...i know. That post seemed like it was suggesting i was suggesting that they can't help themselves.

oddguy · #23 03-13-2004, 05:40 PM

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'They can prevent it'

Yes...i know. That post seemed like it was suggesting i was suggesting that they can't help themselves.

No, I was agreeing with you...that's why your words were worthy to be placed in a quote box before my statement of wisdom...fair and balanced it is, oh yes.

-oddguy