Why heaven and hell can’t exist -

Facsimile · #61 10-12-2003, 06:31 AM

Flaming war? Boy, you should see me when I angry.

Thankyou for finally spelling my name right. That's all you had to do. I know that once or twice you were provoking me.

Lucipher · #62 10-12-2003, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by Jacob
I can't wait to die, it'll be like getting to the top of a Rollercoaster. I also want something amusing on my tombstone. Or to say something funny before i die (but only if it was among strangers, like i was knocked down or something). Yeh. Thooper. Huzzah!!

If you keep saying THOOPER or HUZZAH, your wish may be granted.

Oddfan · #63 10-12-2003, 10:54 AM

I know I said I wouldn't make anymore posts but ghost officaly it's not a occult because an occult is a small group of ppl who start a new specific belief and christianity was around for 100's and 1000's of years and millions of ppl belive in it.

Hobo · #64 10-12-2003, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by Lucipher
If you keep saying THOOPER or HUZZAH, your wish may be granted.

Yeah, if i were you I'd buy a fallout shelter aswell...

Dave · #65 10-12-2003, 11:39 AM

for the record, its a cult, not an occult. you decribed a cult but called it an occult. occult is dark and satanic, like stephen king books.

anyway.

back to the writing of the bible ... i have a comment (as useless as it may be)
it was originally written in latin, correct? and back in the day, only priests could read anything--even in latin. and being the corrupted things priests were (and maybe are? ... anywho) they would make up completely boneheaded translations for the bible in order to make people they liked think they were going to heaven, and in order to "damn" people they didn't like, and so get them to pay big money to "forgive" their sins.

once gutenburg made the printing press a definitive bible was printed in german, and the priests couldn't screw around anymore.

sorry for the history lesson

but i thought i would make a little input ....

Jacob · #66 10-12-2003, 05:25 PM

Also the whole Virgin Mary is wrong. A translating error if you will. And apparently the word mistook for 'Virgin' actually meant 'In age of consent' or something like that. Learnt it in Media. Quite thooper. Gives the Bible more credibility...also takes it away cos if such a major thing like that is wrong then what else is wrong?

SeaRex · #67 10-12-2003, 08:20 PM

Don't give the Bible so much credit yet, Chris. To my best recollection, it distinctly says in the Bible that Mary was, in fact, a virgin.

Oddly enough, not all of the scriptures of the Bible were in Latin. Some were in Greek, some where in old Arabic or Hebrew languages... which of course means that there were many more chances to have a "slip of the tongue." Don't make me bring up my timeless and infallible and timelessly infallible rant about the "Sea of Reeds" being wrongfully translated into "Red Sea."

(Well... it wasn't exactly an infallible argument...)

These are great reasons why I have a general distrust of Evangelists and the "true" word of God. Biased? Yes. Wrong? Possible. Sexy? Damn straight.

EDIT: Wait. Did I just contradict myself? Yes, I believe I did. And that just shows how much credibility I have.

Facsimile · #68 10-13-2003, 01:16 AM

Lol!
Thanks for making my day.

Strike Witch · #69 10-13-2003, 08:33 AM

Ok, stick to your beliefs then. Don't yell at me for being different.

Lok Tar Ogar!

If you know what that is, tell me!

Adder · #70 10-13-2003, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
occult is dark and satanic, like stephen king books.

I break my vow of silence for this!

Occult (something the Chatholic religion is against) doesn't mean "dark and satanic", it's more spiritual.

Quartz crystals, tarrot, palmistry, contacting spirits, etc. That's occult!

As for the bilbe comments, you do know Moses parted the Reed sea. Somewhere a translation went wrong.
And the reed sea is a thick stagnant bog, easily seperated by physical power and it would remain that way for some time!

SeaRex · #71 10-13-2003, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by Adder
As for the bilbe comments, you do know Moses parted the Reed sea. Somewhere a translation went wrong.
And the reed sea is a thick stagnant bog, easily seperated by physical power and it would remain that way for some time!

Thank God (heh) that there is someone else out there that recognizes this as a fact.

Oddfan · #72 10-14-2003, 09:19 PM

first of all i'm not catholic and second of all I did mess up on the whole cult occult thing sorry. also "dark and satanic like stephen king books" LOL

Dave · #73 10-14-2003, 10:44 PM

okay! i screwed up!
wakka wakka
shoot me.
forgive me for making a mistake! to err is human and all that good stuff.....

blah.

Statikk HDM · #74 11-10-2003, 08:11 PM

The biggest problems I have with God are
Do I have free will? If not, I'd prefer to have not even have been created
Why did God make Hell? How does torturing billions for uncountable millenias fit into the master plan?
Why is the world so screwed over? If this is the best God can do I am not impressed.
Why are there so many psychotic Christian factions and cults? You'd figure that God's chosen people would agree and put an end to their stupid, centuries long theological pissing contests.

Facsimile · #75 11-11-2003, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by Ghost
Lok Tar Ogar!

Warcraft! Whoo!
I wonder what it means, do you know?

Lucipher · #76 11-29-2003, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
Also the whole Virgin Mary is wrong. A translating error if you will. And apparently the word mistook for 'Virgin' actually meant 'In age of consent' or something like that. Learnt it in Media. Quite thooper. Gives the Bible more credibility...also takes it away cos if such a major thing like that is wrong then what else is wrong?

Oh my god! OH MY GOD! HE SAID THOOPER AGAIN! HE SAID BLOODY THOOPER!!!!!

Facsimile · #77 11-30-2003, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by Lucipher
Oh my god! OH MY GOD! HE SAID THOOPER AGAIN! HE SAID BLOODY THOOPER!!!!!

Oh thtop acting tho thupid, Luthipher.

Fez · #78 11-30-2003, 07:06 AM

that was quality Fax.

The.Heretic · #79 11-30-2003, 09:41 PM

Some of you seem to be using "Adam and Eve" as an argument. Stories in the bible about the beggining of time, are of course, factual. How did the writers know how God made the earth? How did the writers know about Adam and Eve, and their exact story? Do not take the bible literally.

And as for Alcars comments, I agree, but that still doesnt Justify why a pope lives in a gold castle and a humble Christian lives in the streets. Religion is a Joke, really. If you went to another planet and saw aliens worshipping a "God" all day and all night, and they answered, "Because of this book we found, that could or could not be real" you would laugh in their faces.

Let me ask you this. Why do Religions spend millions on building temples instead of doing Gods work and helping the poor. Do we really think that an all powerful God would be impressed by a big Temple? No, Alcar, dont justify what religion does to the world, and Religion is as bad as a money hungry Multinational Corperation. Its sole objective is to make money, and it does it by playing on peoples beliefs, fears and insecurities.

(Oh, and in the 10 commandments, it clearly states that God said "I am a Jelous God", but tell me this, if God is so Divine and Pure, then why did he just Commit one of the seven deadly sins? [Envy])

Jacob · #80 12-01-2003, 09:52 AM

I personally don't have a problem with religious people, its just when they start to persecute others when it becomes a problem. I saw this thing on Prayer a while ago, and a bunch of Christians were asked "If a Buddist prayed for another person to become better, would his or her prayers be answered?" or something like that, they answered "No, because they're not praying to the one true God. Their prayers will be ignored. Only ours will be answered.". Now, even though we do have some quite decent Christians [and i say that because they think that God will let you into Heaven if your Heart is in the right place and not by what religion you were brought up] it seems that most of America is a rather large, Christian-bastard. This is one of the only reasons i dislike America, because of its bastard-overly-persecutionlyness-of-other-Religions. Its very Hitler-esque.

Anyway, God controls everything aside from us, right? So, why does America get everything from Forest fires to Tsunami's to Hurricanes? The majority of natural disasters happens to America. Surely this is God saying "O-M-G, STOP BEING SUCH WANKERS!!". England hardly ever gets such badness. We only get a flood. I don't think God likes America much.

I do think its a shame though that Americans will never be able to get away from the cycle of the Bible. They're force fed it viciously from birth and even though you get the few Americans who will lead their own way in life, not dictated by a book, the majority will obey the Bible for ever more. Have kids. And force it onto them. Its worrying to think that such an old book is the cause of so much hatred.

Facsimile · #81 12-02-2003, 12:22 AM

Very well put, both of you.

Lucipher · #82 12-13-2003, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
I personally don't have a problem with religious people, its just when they start to persecute others when it becomes a problem. I saw this thing on Prayer a while ago, and a bunch of Christians were asked "If a Buddist prayed for another person to become better, would his or her prayers be answered?" or something like that, they answered "No, because they're not praying to the one true God. Their prayers will be ignored. Only ours will be answered.". Now, even though we do have some quite decent Christians [and i say that because they think that God will let you into Heaven if your Heart is in the right place and not by what religion you were brought up] it seems that most of America is a rather large, Christian-bastard. This is one of the only reasons i dislike America, because of its bastard-overly-persecutionlyness-of-other-Religions. Its very Hitler-esque.

Anyway, God controls everything aside from us, right? So, why does America get everything from Forest fires to Tsunami's to Hurricanes? The majority of natural disasters happens to America. Surely this is God saying "O-M-G, STOP BEING SUCH WANKERS!!". England hardly ever gets such badness. We only get a flood. I don't think God likes America much.

I do think its a shame though that Americans will never be able to get away from the cycle of the Bible. They're force fed it viciously from birth and even though you get the few Americans who will lead their own way in life, not dictated by a book, the majority will obey the Bible for ever more. Have kids. And force it onto them. Its worrying to think that such an old book is the cause of so much hatred.

Plus their military is crap, they kill more of themselves than they do the enemy!

Al the Vykker · #83 12-13-2003, 09:15 PM

Well, I went off on too many tangents in this post, so just read my next post, for what I was trying to talk about. I just had so many different things to say, and was not entirely sure how to express them at that time.

I myself when I read this today wasnt entirely sure of how some of the post even made sense.

Lucipher · #84 12-14-2003, 07:56 AM

I didn't understand a word of what Al said, so i'm just going to leave this thread quietly, also can you say that shorter next time.

Al the Vykker · #85 12-14-2003, 08:04 PM

Sorry, I wrote that before going to sleep, what I was trying to put before I went off on a few tangents, is that not everyone in the U.S. is your typical "Bible" freak, or Religious maniac.

In my opinion it doesnt matter whether you are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, whatever. If you pray to god, or another diety. God still listens to you, and hears your prayers.

I dont think if you are a good person, and not a follower of Christ, you burn in Hell.

I also stated, that I do have disputes with my Religion (Roman Catholic). I do believe in Jesus, as the son of God, and Savior. I believe in God. I just think certain things in the bible stories, etc. Need to be interpreted by us, I dont think there is one right way of interpretation.

I also mentioned the possibility for human error, in translating the word of god.

Finally, I went on ending with we should just be a bit more tolerant, with each other's religious beliefs, if we want to make the world a better place.

Mac the Janitor · #86 12-14-2003, 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by Al the Vykker
Sorry, I wrote that before going to sleep, what I was trying to put before I went off on a few tangents, is that not everyone in the U.S. is your typical "Bible" freak, or Religious maniac.

Yeah. And on top of that, we're all viewed by other countries as basically a bunch of Homer Simpsons. Fat, lazy, rude beerbellied loudmouth ignorant football fans. Although the majority of Americans are morons, many of us are not.

Man, I want to move to Europe.

***Alcar*** · #87 12-14-2003, 11:58 PM

The core beliefs of Religion still exist, The.Heretic. It is what compells most people to do good.

Alcar...

The.Heretic · #88 12-15-2003, 01:08 AM

Oh sure, it compells people to do good.

It also started almost every war in history. So while all these bastards stand outside train stations handing out flyers about why I should believe in Jesus, because they are so "compelled", the rest of them go nuke the Jews because of what they are. Let the Christian Extremists spray Mosques with obscenities, let the Jews kill the Muslims in Palestine, let some 70 year old Preist get a 5 year old to suck him off, let the world go down the shithole, because some half nazi half christian fanboy with a fist full of flyers and a spraycan feels "compelled" to do good.

Religion is just another excuse for segregation. Want proof? Look at all the "what religion are you" threads, or every census with "religion here" slapped in the middle of it. If we were all Athiest, the world would be a better place.

Jacob · #89 12-15-2003, 08:53 AM

If it was prooven that God didn't exist then the whole Law/moral-thing would have to be re-acknowledged. Mainly due to the fact all Laws today have some roots back in the day when God was worshipped.

If God isn't real then who says killing isn't good? What about adultery?

Anyway, i said most of my sense-makingness in my most recent post. So i have nothing more to add, as of yet anyway.

Oh and i think American teens can be hot. Tanned. Nice bodies. Nice accents. Its just their personalities that f*ck them up, especially if they're part of Religiousness.

And another thing that f*cks them up is when they reach adulthood. And turn into morons.

Did you know that the majority of Americans think Haggis is a real animal? And that if they ever went to Scotland they'd want to hunt it...yes...thats right, i said 'f*ckwits' under my breath.

Facsimile · #90 12-16-2003, 01:15 AM

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Originally posted by Jacob
Did you know that the majority of Americans think Haggis is a real animal?

Ahahaha.
And they run the world?