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[oddguy]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Intern
You're a fool if you think there is a 'true' meaning to the bible. It is a book that is left to self interpretation.

You just say that because you don't understand. I can't judge you as an idiot, because I don't know about your life and I haven't been in your shoes. Again, I'm not forcing my beliefs on you. Do whatever you want, but you'll be seeing things differently when the last days come.

Of course satan is portrayed as being a bad guy in your bible. As I previously mentioned, he is used to keep all those who follow 'god' in check. To properly represent good, you must make an example of the polar opposite. You know, 'evil'.

In short, satan is used as a scape goat. People blame sin and evil in this world on him, when actually, the sin and evil can be traced back to mankind.

Satan used to be good, but he craved power and wanted to get higher and more powerful than God. In doing so, he lost his way from light and truth and fell into darkness. Satan got so jealous when God picked Jesus to be the savior instead of him, so he started a war in heaven. After this, Satan and all his followers were cast out of the presence of God and placed on Earth since it is such a far out of the way planet. God sent us down to Earth so we could be tested and a veil is placed over our minds so we do not remember when we lived with God before in heaven. Without memory of our pre-lives, we are free to choose who we worship while on the Earth. God is seperating the bad from the good to see who we follow. Those that follow God have mantles of power placed upon them, and those that follow Statan cannot return to be with God. God made the universe and everything in it. Satan had the power of light taken away from him, so all he can make are demons and unclean things. How can you worship such a looser?

After all, your god gave us freewill, did he not?

Yes, he gave you the choice to believe the stupid things you do. I'm tired of you guys trying to shove things down my throat. You're not going to change me. I know more about God than you will ever know because He is with me, and you guys dissed Him. But God is forgiving, so if you happen to change your mind and repent of your sins, you will have a relationship with Him and He will forgive you. This offer isn't going to be going on forever, so act quickly!

-oddguy

[Jacob]

For f*cks sakes Oddguy, i don't get annoyed easily but the whole "you'll change your ways when the end days come" really pissed me off. If i knew when the last days were then fine, i wouldn't care...i'd be all "Good, we'll wait til then, then." but we don't...and thats whats so annoying. Even the Raelians, who were laughed at, have a specific day.

Again, I'm not forcing my beliefs on you.

I don't know if anybody else got this impression but from Oddguys post it did seem as if he was putting the Satanist religion down abit.

How can you worship such a looser?

He was ambitious. God was vengeful. Both of these are sins. God took pride in humans...thats a sin. God enacted wrath upon Lucifer and his followers...thats a sin. God is Slothful now, do we see him dancing around throwing miracles about...no...he's been sinful. He also gets envious when people believe in other deities and thus sends them to Hell...he is sinning. So, who do we go for. The ambitious Arch Angel who was thrown from Heaven for wanting to be equal with the deity who created him...or the hypocritical, overly violent, alcoholic God? Hmmm...

Oddguy, where the Hell did you come up with that story that you posted. The one where he wipes our minds of our pre-lives!? You're also calling Lucifer, Satan again...please stop.

Also, can i just ask do you lot believe that Demons contact us when people do seances? 'Cos i'm sure Heavens supposed to be out of reach...and if spirits are contacting us it means that Heaven is non-existant...

I'm tired and my points are gone...on the last one anyway.

[OANST]

Lucifer and satan are the same entity Jacob.

[oddguy]

Originally posted by Jacob
[B]He was ambitious. God was vengeful. Both of these are sins. God took pride in humans...thats a sin. God enacted wrath upon Lucifer and his followers...thats a sin. God is Slothful now, do we see him dancing around throwing miracles about...no...he's been sinful. He also gets envious when people believe in other deities and thus sends them to Hell...he is sinning. So, who do we go for. The ambitious Arch Angel who was thrown from Heaven for wanting to be equal with the deity who created him...or the hypocritical, overly violent, alcoholic God? Hmmm...

God is God. He is justifiable in whatever he does. And it is immpossible for God to sin. Don't you get it? Satan is the one who is the author of sin. He tempts us to sin so he can take away as many children from God as he possibly can. Looks like he doesn't have to try very hard with you.

Oddguy, where the Hell did you come up with that story that you posted. The one where he wipes our minds of our pre-lives!?

Ummmm, it's the truth. I didn't come up with it. Pfft, and you said you read the Bible.

You're also calling Lucifer, Satan again...please stop.

Ummm, they're the same guy. Or do you not understand?

-oddguy

[Mac the Janitor]

Whee, time for me to jump in...

Originally posted by oddguy
God is God. He is justifiable in whatever he does. And it is immpossible for God to sin.

So you're saying God's a hypocrite? The Bible is supposedly God's words, right?

Originally posted by oddguy
Ummmm, it's the truth.

No, it's an unstable theory. Truth has good, solid facts and evidence to back it up.


Um...*cough*...yeah, that's all I had to say...

[Alcar]

Originally posted by Jacob
He was ambitious. God was vengeful. Both of these are sins. God took pride in humans...thats a sin. God enacted wrath upon Lucifer and his followers...thats a sin. God is Slothful now, do we see him dancing around throwing miracles about...no...he's been sinful. He also gets envious when people believe in other deities and thus sends them to Hell...he is sinning. So, who do we go for. The ambitious Arch Angel who was thrown from Heaven for wanting to be equal with the deity who created him...or the hypocritical, overly violent, alcoholic God? Hmmm...

Even though that was slightly childish Chris, I'd have to agree with you in a humourous manner. Quite the hypocrite.

Lol! Last days, I've recently finished reading a book where the words 'last days' were used thoroughly. It was a good book as well, without any religious references.

I can put up with religious people, and funnily enough, I to like Buddhists. They don't try to force you into their religion, they don't say you'll all die if you don't follow their religion. They keep to themselves, they are always kind.

Alcar...

[oddguy]

Originally posted by Mac the Janitor
So you're saying God's a hypocrite? The Bible is supposedly God's words, right?

No, you're saying God's a hypocrite!

No, it's an unstable theory. Truth has good, solid facts and evidence to back it up.

Only to you. I happen to have evidence with good solid facts, but you guys will just mock it, so it's no use.

I can put up with religious people, and funnily enough, I to like Buddhists. They don't try to force you into their religion, they don't say you'll all die if you don't follow their religion. They keep to themselves, they are always kind.

Alcar.....

I only say something when someone bashes Christianity.

-oddguy

[Facsimile]

Yay! Mac's post was short.
Stop talking religion. Or I'll... tell on ya.
Please. We don't want to spawn another three threads on it like last time.

[The Red Muse]

Oh shite...another thread about religion?
Please, someone shoot me so that don't have to see things like this ever again...

[Wil]

You're not bloody kidding. This is, what, the fourth thread where Chris has had to explain that Satan and Lucifer are different? Oh, and look, Oddguy isn't telling us his 'proof', but implies we're silly for not believing it to be a fact. That's something I haven't seen before.

[Sydney]

We have a Christian family who lives around the corner from us. Unlike most Christians, they don't pick and choose the parts of the bible they like best, but rather they follow just about all of the rules.

They don't eat bacon, they don't eat non-scaled animals of the sea (prawns, squid, crabs, etc) they don't wear garments made from more than one kind of fabric. And as far as I'm aware, they don't let their women cook while menstruating.

Actually, I think I better watch my back. I don't observe the sabbath, and the bible says that means my blood shall be put upon upon me. *locks the doors*

Remember kids, Jesus came not to destroy the old law, but to fulfil it.

[Alcar]

Originally posted by Sydney
Actually, I think I better watch my back. I don't observe the sabbath, and the bible says that means my blood shall be put upon upon me. *locks the doors*

To add upon this, I'd like to post the following which I found on anther forum I frequent.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

Alcar...

[Jacob]

Lucifer and satan are the same entity Jacob.

Please post proof of this. I believe i have posted enough proof to substantiate my claim that Lucifer rules Hell and Satan rules over the Kingdom of Evil...

Satan is the one who is the author of sin. He tempts us to sin so he can take away as many children from God as he possibly can.

Lucifer didn't create sin. God did. And he should abide by his own rules...

Ummmm, it's the truth. I didn't come up with it. Pfft, and you said you read the Bible.
Ummm, they're the same guy. Or do you not understand?

No, i said i had a fair grasp on the Bible. And do you not understand that my point is that the website i have posted in earlier topics gathers ALL the information from ALL of the scriptures and types of the Bible that there is...it then translates them and it has come up with the fact that LUCIFER the harbourer of Light and Satanail (or Satanel, whichever spelling you want) are seperate beings.

And as Alcar has stated, if you're going to abide by the rules of Christianity, abide by all of them. Or don't call yourself a f*cking Christian 'cos all you're doing is picking what rules suits you, which is something you shouldn't even contemplate doing.

[big bro boogie]

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[Mac the Janitor]

Originally posted by Facsimile
Yay! Mac's post was short.

Yes...just like certain other physical aspects about me...*sighs*

[Jacob]

Yes...just like certain other physical aspects about me...*sighs*

Ha...Dwarf

[paramud]

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[oddguy]

Originally posted by Jacob
Please post proof of this. I believe i have posted enough proof to substantiate my claim that Lucifer rules Hell and Satan rules over the Kingdom of Evil...

Hell is evil. I rest my case.

Lucifer didn't create sin. God did. And he should abide by his own rules...

Where do you get the authority to judge God and call Him a sinner? You were created by God and this is how you repay him? No wonder God weeps over all the children that Satan is leading astray.

No, i said i had a fair grasp on the Bible. And do you not understand that my point is that the website i have posted in earlier topics gathers ALL the information from ALL of the scriptures and types of the Bible that there is...it then translates them and it has come up with the fact that LUCIFER the harbourer of Light and Satanail (or Satanel, whichever spelling you want) are seperate beings.

You have all you're info from websites that are made by people that do not understand. I get my info from a higher authority, and that is from God. God created the entire universe, and we can't even leave our own solar system. Who is better? God.
Isaiah 55:9
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.
It is easy for us to question everything while on the earth, because we do not understand. God has His own purposes that we can not even begin to comprehend, because He is God and we're are just His children. Yet, those who make it to heaven will be taught of God's ways and we will begin to learn everything, but not at this time.

And as Alcar has stated, if you're going to abide by the rules of Christianity, abide by all of them. Or don't call yourself a f*cking Christian 'cos all you're doing is picking what rules suits you, which is something you shouldn't even contemplate doing.

I'm not picking and choosing. I'm abiding to God's rules to the best of my ability, which is more than I can say for you.

Anyway, if you kids wanna stop talking about religion, stop bashing Christianity and I won't have to keep defending myself. This is just going to keep going into a vicious circle if you guys keep at it.

-oddguy

[paramud]

when it was loading up the score and it did that 1-100% thing I thought that was the score god that was scary...

[oddguy]

Originally posted by paramud
when it was loading up the score and it did that 1-100% thing I thought that was the score god that was scary...

I thought the same thing! It was loading up and I saw it hit 100% and I was like, "Pfft! Stupid test thingy!" Then I got my incredible score of 30%, so I didn't get mad cus' it was way better than 100% like I originally thought!

-oddguy

[paramiteabe]

Lord have mercy on our sauls for we know not what we do!

Look I am Catholic and I know the act hint I said the act of being gay is a sin. Being gay or haveing sex with the same sex is a sin the same for everything we do for us and not God is a sin. You can be the most nicest man and generous person in the world and be gay but your forgetting one important thing and thats Jesus Christ. It doesn't mean your going strieght to Hell. No it means you just made a mistake and God understands that we are not perfect. But if you don't accept Christ yes you will go to Hell even if your a saint. Its because you don't have Christ in your hearts is the reason why your going to Hell. When we don't have God in our lives we stray awey from him through sin thus we go to Hell. When we recieve Christ in our hearts we may still sin but God has given us eternal life and there is no giveing that back. In other words if you sin and you have God in your life he will help you back up and get you back on the right track but your not going to Hell because you know Christ and still sined aganst him. Thats how simple it is. Thats how you get into Heaven. But if you don't know Christ you won't go to Heaven plan and simple. Havent you guys ever gone to Sunday School when you were little?

I sin because I am not perfect. But I know and God knows I am not perfect so he helps me, and I already know even when I sin I still have that gift of eternal life. I've accepted the fact that I am a sinner. I know when I sin I have Christ and I won't go to Hell for it. Everybody sins its just a matter if you have Christ in your heart thats all. But there shouldn't be any debate over this. Thats how simple this is.

[Alcar]

The only way a Christian can ever win this argument is if they state that they blindly believe in God. It's blind faith, and the sensible Christian would understand that, rather than try to prove the un-provable.

Alcar...

[The Red Muse]

Originally posted by Alcar
The only way a Christian can ever win this argument is if they state that they blindly believe in God. It's blind faith, and the sensible Christian would understand that, rather than try to prove the un-provable.

Alcar...

The master has spoken...
Amen to that!

[oddguy]

Originally posted by Alcar
The only way a Christian can ever win this argument is if they state that they blindly believe in God. It's blind faith, and the sensible Christian would understand that, rather than try to prove the un-provable.

Alcar...

Faith is a good part of it, and I'm glad you brought that up. In the Bible, after Christ was reurected, Jesus showed Himself to Mary and told her to go and tell the others. Mary told the others and they had to rely on faith that her story was real. But Thomas said he would not believe unless he was able to see the wounds and touch them himself. When Thomas made this statement, he did not realize that 3 days later Jesus would show Himself to everybody and that he'd have to keep his promise and touch Jesus's wounds. Jesus said, "Blessed are those who had faith and believed without seeing." Faith is required, but I also have a testimony of God's power and have been blessed and seen many miracles. I know God is real, because I have a good relationship with Him.

[Facsimile]

Originally posted by paramiteabe
Havent you guys ever gone to Sunday School when you were little?

I never did, some of us are allowed to make choices, you know?

[The Red Muse]

Originally posted by oddguy
I know God is real, because I have a good relationship with Him.

Just being the curious person that I am, I must ask you; How can you tell that you have a good relationship with God?
I mean, do you chat every friday and sunday, drinking tea and taking your sweet time sharing the best gossips around?

I'm not being mean or sarcastic*cough*, I just wanna know what you mean...

Right.

[paramiteabe]

No its a feeling in your heart that you know you have a good relationship with God. He talks to us through prayer and understanding his word.

So what we can say is we have faith and yes phisically we cannot see or hear God. But God is spirit so none of those traits apply.

I mean for you people who believe in Satin and all of his works do you talk to him phisically or is it a dark spiritual thing I mean you have rituals right? So can we say in your belief system you have blind faith too in Satin is similar to that of our faith in God only now its the complete opposite? You can't see or touch Satin but you have faith in him. You know he exist through blind faith am I not right? So how can you believe in something that doesn't exist phisically but spiritualy? The point is we have faith in our own religion just as much as you have faith in Satin we have faith in God. So in reality there is no arguement here and this is getting way off topic.

[Jacob]

Hell is evil. I rest my case.

It's not a Kingdom. It's a Prison.

Where do you get the authority to judge God and call Him a sinner? You were created by God and this is how you repay him?

Who needs authority!? If a Policeman is beating somebody up in the street do we need authority to say that they are wrong? No. We don't. God created sins and he thus shouldn't commit them.

(1)You have all you're info from websites that are made by people that do not understand.(2) I get my info from a higher authority, and that is from God. God created the entire universe,(3) and we can't even leave our own solar system. Who is better? God.

(1) - The people who made that website must have spent years finding all the different types of the Bible there was and spent ages translating them, not only that but also locating the storys that branch off from the Bible...i think that qualify's them as people who understand a Hell of alot more than you who has only read one book.

(2) - No, you believe you get you're info from God...there's a difference.

(3) - Oh yeh, a dictorial, nasty, vindictive, hypocritical, alcoholic is better than a bunch of people who do what they do because they know no better...

I'm abiding to God's rules to the best of my ability, which is more than I can say for you.

No, you're picking and choosing. You could easily live by all of Gods rules but you choose not to because going without certain things would be too hard. And i choose not to live by the Law of God because its really boring and the people who do it only do it so they go to "Heaven". They believe that all the time they've wasted in their actual life will be made up when they're one with God, but they'll have a large shock coming to them when they die and realise the truth.

I'm gonna put the following in lamens terms;

How do you know....that the Bible...is...the book of God?

You say the stuff is real...yet...what if the Bible is the book of Satan?

Satan is meant to be hateful and nasty. God is meant to be kind and loving. The book of Satan tells you to live life as you want. The Bible tells you to be nasty to sinners.

You go on about Faith. Surely a true God wouldn't put somebody in Hell for having Faith in another God?

When the Bible gets modified to make Homosexuality a non-sinful thing...will you change your views?

If not...then that means that you are against everything the Vatican has modified in the Bible...

Ranging from mixing Crops to wearing different types of clothing...

God is all loving and forgiving...shouldn't he forgive people who don't believe in him? Surely he realises that it is through his bone idleness that people lose faith?

You say that you yourselves have witnessed Miracles and had your prayers answered...how is this God? In Witchcraft the main dealio is you yourself make things happen...

Meaning, you could have made your prayers come true and yet you give credit to a mysterious being...

What happens to people who believe in Satan? Or Budda? Or Resurrection? Do they go to Hell?

How do you know God is speaking to you? It could be a Demon or Lucifer? It wouldn't be the first time Lucifer has misguided people...

Why is there evidence of an afterlife...but not of Heaven. People do seances and do not come into contact with people in Heaven...nor do they contact Angels...

Are you really ready to waste your life based on blind faith?

[oddguy]

Just being the curious person that I am, I must ask you; How can you tell that you have a good relationship with God?
I mean, do you chat every friday and sunday, drinking tea and taking your sweet time sharing the best gossips around?

I'm not being mean or sarcastic*cough*, I just wanna know what you mean...

Well, I pray to God and He helps me out and gives me counsel for challenges in my life. I chat with God as much as I can. He's my buddy!

Originally posted by Jacob
Who needs authority!? If a Policeman is beating somebody up in the street do we need authority to say that they are wrong? No. We don't. God created sins and he thus shouldn't commit them.

You have no right to call God a sinner. You are a hypocrite to the fullest extent I have ever seen. I hope you repent now, or you may regret it later....Mark my words. God did not create sin....Satan did.

(1) - The people who made that website must have spent years finding all the different types of the Bible there was and spent ages translating them, not only that but also locating the storys that branch off from the Bible...i think that qualify's them as people who understand a Hell of alot more than you who has only read one book.

It all comes down to interperatation though. How we see things. Everyone makes up theories and such...and that's all your belief is bassed on....theories. Mine is based on truth, faith and my unshaken testimony of the True living God.

(2) - No, you believe you get you're info from God...there's a difference.

I do get my info from God.

(3) - Oh yeh, a dictorial, nasty, vindictive, hypocritical, alcoholic is better than a bunch of people who do what they do because they know no better...

People that do not know God or haven't had a chance in relationship with Him are not condemned. Some people grow up in horrible homes with no chance of God in their lives. God doesn't turn away people who never even had a chance. However, those that know God and turn their back on Him will never be met in His presence again, save mighy repenting.

No, you're picking and choosing. You could easily live by all of Gods rules but you choose not to because going without certain things would be too hard. And i choose not to live by the Law of God because its really boring and the people who do it only do it so they go to "Heaven". They believe that all the time they've wasted in their actual life will be made up when they're one with God, but they'll have a large shock coming to them when they die and realise the truth.

Ummmm, when is it your business to say I pick and choose when you don't follow any Godly rules. Yes, I'm not perfect, but I follow God's commandments to the best of my ability, and I am blessed for it. My life isn't being wasted.

I'm gonna put the following in lamens terms;

How do you know....that the Bible...is...the book of God?

There is lots of factual evidence, but I know from a higher source as well.

You say the stuff is real...yet...what if the Bible is the book of Satan?

Well, if it's his book, he sure doesn't like himself!

Satan is meant to be hateful and nasty. God is meant to be kind and loving. The book of Satan tells you to live life as you want. The Bible tells you to be nasty to sinners.

Listen buddy, get your facts straight. God doesn't tell us to go out and punish sinners. We are told not to judge. It says that quite frequently in the Bible. Oh yes, and I'm not sinless, so I don't go and make fun of myself all the time! God wants those in wickedness to turn on the right path.
Isaiah 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord God: thought your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be like crimson, they shall be as wool.

You go on about Faith. Surely a true God wouldn't put somebody in Hell for having Faith in another God?

Check out the ten commandments. Anyway, God doesn't really punish us. It's more of us punishing ourselves. If you follow Satan, it's not God's fault you're going to the firey underworld. He warned ya!

When the Bible gets modified to make Homosexuality a non-sinful thing...will you change your views?

Not my Bible. Homosexuality is a sin. It's against God's plan of marrige between a Man and a Women.

If not...then that means that you are against everything the Vatican has modified in the Bible...

I believe in the Bible as far as it is translated correctly. I don't see anything in the Bible telling me to kill people, so it can't be that bad.

Ranging from mixing Crops to wearing different types of clothing...

Those are old testament sins. The fulfilling of Christs atonement brought forth the new law. That doesn't apply today.

God is all loving and forgiving...shouldn't he forgive people who don't believe in him? Surely he realises that it is through his bone idleness that people lose faith?

God is big on forgiveness, but He gave us the rights to agency, so it's up to you whether or not you go to heaven.

You say that you yourselves have witnessed Miracles and had your prayers answered...how is this God? In Witchcraft the main dealio is you yourself make things happen...

Meaning, you could have made your prayers come true and yet you give credit to a mysterious being...

If you had a relationship with God, you would know that what I speak is true. I know with every fiber of my being that it is God that has blessed me and brought forth miracles.

What happens to people who believe in Satan? Or Budda? Or Resurrection? Do they go to Hell?

People who believe in Satan are going to go where Satan lives, which is hell. I believe that if you are a good person, you'll go to heaven. When you arrive at the pearly gates, God isn't going to ask what religion you are. God will judge you by your heart, not your religion.

How do you know God is speaking to you? It could be a Demon or Lucifer? It wouldn't be the first time Lucifer has misguided people...

Yes, lucifer misguides many people, even you. I am close to God, so I know it's Him. Satan fills minds with doubt and sin. I do not doubt my God.

Why is there evidence of an afterlife...but not of Heaven. People do seances and do not come into contact with people in Heaven...nor do they contact Angels...

I'm not a seance guy myself.

Are you really ready to waste your life based on blind faith?

Are you ready to throw your life away? To throw out a relationship with God?

-oddguy