Did Sam know?

paramiteabe · #1 07-02-2003, 03:23 AM

You know this came to mind. When Abe was born did Sam know that Abe was going to be the savior of the Mudokins? I wounder when she gave birth one day to a Blue Mudokin egg she did it on purpose as an attempt to escape sometime later in the future? But as time progressed she became more and more depressed and maybe she forgot about Abe. And I wonder where she existed before the Magog took her or captured her. What kind of natural enviornment would hold a queen like Sam? Maybe a cave like the Raison. Mann I want to know what Oddworld was like of the past before the Magog and such. What do you think?

GrigtheSlig · #2 07-02-2003, 03:32 AM

Yeah, maybe somehow she did it on perpose! Abe being savior of the MUDS! Maybe she got a shaman to imreagnate her, and the shaman did some mud magic! Yeah!

***Xavier*** · #3 07-02-2003, 09:23 AM

I think that Abe's egg was a normal egg and that she didn't noticed anything...

If she had hope she wouldn't be so depressed

paramiteabe · #4 07-02-2003, 09:58 AM

Well maybe she lost hope do to the severity of her situation. Like it was getting worse and worse for her and as time progressed she would lose hope and become even more depressed as time turned into years and conditions became even worse.

There has to be some kind of huge synificants between Abe and Sam and the rest of the Mudokin nation. Think about it, in the Monsiac Lines there is cave art depicting the events of AO and the cave art shows Abe the blue Mudokin. So Abe was a profacy that was proficied by the ancient ones. I believe that there is some kind synificants between Abe and Sam. Just like The Virgen Marry and Christ. The same as in Abe and Sam most likely in a very profound and odd way.

GrigtheSlig · #5 07-03-2003, 12:45 AM

Maybe she just lost all hope for abe to rescue her and just forgot about it. If you were being impregnatied for a million days it would seem like a blur to you too!

***Xavier*** · #6 07-03-2003, 08:03 AM

btw: I'm not sure Sam have to be impregnated...

and also all the eggs are purple/white... to give green mudokons, so Abe's egss won't neccerary be blue (skin color doesn't equal egg color).

so this is much speculation, too much for me
*walks away*

Nath · #7 07-03-2003, 03:58 PM

I hear what you're saying xav, but it's still all a good theory.
And i have to ask you PA, why do you call Mudokons Mudokins?????????
When i first noticed it i thought you missed typed it (with i being next to o), but it's like it every time

***Xavier*** · #8 07-03-2003, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by Nath
I hear what you're saying xav, but it's still all a good theory.

no problem, this forum was made to post theories and speculation

OANST · #9 07-04-2003, 03:56 PM

Nath seems angered by your misspelling PA. Maybe you should apologize before he starts lying awake at night dreaming of that misplaced i. The horror! The damn horror!

***Xavier*** · #10 07-04-2003, 03:58 PM

don't talk about this spooky "i" I can't spleep because of it since weeks

OANST · #11 07-05-2003, 01:58 AM

Its been five nights and still that errant i returns. It is trying to drive me mad. I must kill it. It is trying to swallow my soul. I know this because it keeps repeating "I'll swallow your soul". What can I do?

GrigtheSlig · #12 07-05-2003, 04:36 AM

LOL!!!

Now that was funny! Anyway, I like the idea that Sam knew about Abe! Sam might have some memory loss problems, who knows! I hate the "i"!!!

***Xavier*** · #13 07-05-2003, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by GrigtheSlig
Sam might have some memory loss problems, who knows!

highly possible, with all the pills she is popping her memory can be heavely affected

oddguy · #14 07-05-2003, 03:33 PM

I heard somewhere that Sam was the one who sewed Abe's lips shut. Or she had someone do it. If so, do you think she did that, so people would realize he was different?

***Xavier*** · #15 07-05-2003, 03:55 PM

nope... it was more likely a slig who sewed abe's lips

GrigtheSlig · #16 07-05-2003, 04:42 PM

Stupid sligs! Why exactly did they do that to Abe?

***Xavier*** · #17 07-05-2003, 04:58 PM

well because he made a lot of noise when he was a baby/child (lorne's version)

GrigtheSlig · #18 07-05-2003, 06:35 PM

So did I! I made tons of noise when I was little, and I don't have stitches in my lips! I'm just lucky that I don't live on oddworld!

***Wil*** · #19 07-05-2003, 07:30 PM

I'm pretty sure all Mudokons from RuptureFarms had their lips stitched, considering it's against worker regulations to talk. Molluck doesn't seem to be the type to take the risk of actually having it physically possible for rules to be broken.

GrigtheSlig · #20 07-05-2003, 08:25 PM

I didn't know that, that's extra mean! I ordered AO 2 days ago, so I really wanna play!

paramiteabe · #21 07-06-2003, 01:54 AM

Oh do I just love driveing you crazy with the letter i!

i i i i i i i i i i i ii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiMuhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Anyway I like to think that the Vykkers stitched Abe's lips because Sam is kept by the Vykkers after all. I am sure when Abe was born a bunch of Vykkers stitched him because he talked too much. Now its done by the Stitch 1000.

***Xavier*** · #22 07-06-2003, 07:57 AM

since Abe

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Hatched from the an egg within the nursery of
Rupture Farms 1029.

and there are no Vykkers there I doubt that the Vykkers are the ones who sewed abe's lips

paramiteabe · #23 07-06-2003, 12:34 PM

My theory is that not all Vykkers are not on the labs as product or pharmaceutical specialists. Yes thats their hobby or jobs but even so that Abe was born in the Rupture Farms nursery, why can't the Vykkers also be working in there? I mean a place like a nursery requires some sort of medical or lab type work to grow things. In this case Mudokons. There is some sort of lab science that is envolved in keeping a nursery to grow eggs and such. I still believe the Vykkers run the nerserys for all the Glukkon establishments to grow the Mudokons as working scrubs. And Vykkers Labs have Mudokon labor egg storages. There go I believe the Vykkers help in growing the Mudokon scrubs in nerseries and then transport the eggs on the labs that came from the nerseries, to send them to different, large, Moolah flurishing establishments like Rupture Farms or Saul Storm Brewery. It makes sense because I don't see Glukkons or sligs doing that or do I see Shrienks doing that since they watch over Sam. Maybe in MO the Glukkon facilities were bran new franchises that were reciently constructed and the Vykkers were transporting Labor eggs from other huge factories like Rupture Farms to the new establishments to get settled. Which makes me believe that maybe there is a ground Lab somewhere and the ships are just transporting labs mainly to deliver goods to the Glukkon franchises. But at the same time create a little moolah themselves with their specialty in pharmaceutical science and animal testing.

Basically why do Vykkers have to be limited to one science in the case of pharmaceutical technology? Why can't there be different sciences among the Vykkers for important uses like that? That is more alive than just one.

***Wil*** · #24 07-06-2003, 01:59 PM

Firstly, I don't see a need for Vykkers to raise Mudokons. Mudokons are put to work, I imagine, pretty much as soon as they're able, that being as soon as they can move from Point A to Point B and use a sponge properly. Alf has told us that Mudokons have Foster Sligs, which presumably are Sligs whose job it is to introduce the Mudokons to their work and such.

Secondly, the Vykkers certainly do not stick to pharmaceuticals. Vykkers Pharmaceuticals is only one division of the massive Vykkers Conglomerate. We know that Vykkers also deal a lot with technology, genetics and fine food. Unfortuantely for them, looking after young Mudokons is just that: looking after them. If it doesn't involve sadistic cruelty or gene-splicing, they're probably not going to be interested.

Thirdly, Vykkers Labs 12 is not merely a transportation device, it is actually a floating Vykkers institution. You need to notice that a) the 'Labour Egg Storage' is actually for the most part Interns' quarters and b) the Shaman says that Vykkers Labs has been stockpiling Eggs. This all points to the 'Labour Egg Storage' being a temporary location for keeping eggs until they are to be auctioned off. I imagine they're doing this to coincide with the Gabbiar Auction. I can just imagine everyone's disappointment when they discover that their Eggs have gone missing. I can picture the auction room descending into panic as everybody realises that Abe and Munch are on board.

Fourthly, Vykkers Labs 12 was the first fully-floating factory in the Vykkers Conglomerate. Before that, all Vykkers facilities were ground-based. Well actually, we don't know that, they could have been under water, or tethered.

paramiteabe · #25 07-06-2003, 02:23 PM

I ment that the Vykkers would be working with the eggs not the Mudokons themselves. like makeing the enviorment suitiable for maybe early hatching so they can process them as soon as possible to hand over to the sligs. And you mention genetics. Did you ever think they just might expirement on the eggs themselves with the genes to make them more productive Mudokons? And that can be sadistic because maybe a lot of times the gene test fail resulting in a deformity in the Mudokon which then would be kept by the Vykkers for further expirementation. Of course they are not going to nurture Muds but they just might expirement on the eggs themselves for more efficient needs in slave labor or other nasty things.

Sekto Springs · #26 07-06-2003, 03:14 PM

well, i thought the nurseries of RF were huge rows of cases filled with cases, eggs tended by shrinks and vykkers while sligs patrol the area, i guess none of this is clarified dash it all! oh well, i guess my theory is crap, who'd mix genios Vykkers and shrinks with dullard sligs?

GrigtheSlig · #27 07-09-2003, 12:45 AM

I think that the vykkers would probably take care of the eggs really good, so they can raise them up and test stuff on them! What's the deal with Vykkers anyway? Did they really cut off there own feet?

***Wil*** · #28 07-09-2003, 01:34 PM

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From Dear Alf, March 2000
Q: Yo, did the Vykkers scientists saw their own feet off or something? They have stitched up stumps.

Alf: Or something.

Plus, look at this here.

Zach Roy Wilson · #29 07-10-2003, 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by GrigtheSlig
Yeah, maybe somehow she did it on perpose! Abe being savior of the MUDS! Maybe she got a shaman to imreagnate her, and the shaman did some mud magic! Yeah!

Yeah maybe the shaman banged her whuh huh uh!

oddguy · #30 07-10-2003, 02:48 AM

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Originally posted by Zach Roy Wilson
Yeah maybe the shaman banged her whuh huh uh!

Show some manners, you pigs!