RELIGION TOPIC (Fi-nal-ly) -

Leto · #**121** 02-02-2006, 09:46 PM

What is it with religion condemning sodomy and oral fixations? It seems to be a trait that crosses all religions.

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male flirting? **vomits in rage**

You kind of people are what make me hate people generally.

Adder · #**122** 02-03-2006, 01:57 AM

I don't really know, Super Munch.

It is outside of nature (i.e. Doesn't really happen in a "survival" situation), but then again - humans are hardly part of nature at this stage.

The idea of Marraige was probably before religion, and was only invented to prevent inbreeding (at least, that's what I was told in Religion class. The elders of a village would arange marraiges between the most distantly related people because inbreeding didn't work).

The idea of sex is to reproduce, primarily. I know humans (and dolphins) have sex for fun. I don't know why it became fun, but it is... so I don't know.

OANST · #**123** 02-03-2006, 05:03 AM

If you don't know why it became fun then you have probably never done it.

Adder · #**124** 02-03-2006, 11:22 AM

No, I know it IS fun, OANSO. I don't know how we went from "sex is survival" to "sex is t3h 53X". From a biological view-point, it makes sence that sex is enjoyable... but it probably shouldn't be so damn enjoyable.

Havoc · #**125** 02-03-2006, 11:28 AM

If you ask me (and you should :P J/k) I'd say that the enjoyment of sex is the engine that runs the instinct to reproduce. Sex is made to feel good, so the male wants to keep doing it. Why keep up something that doesn't feel good, you know? Not even instinct can force someone into doing something that doesn't feel nice.

OANST · #**126** 02-03-2006, 12:38 PM

Sure it can. They call it work.

used:) · #**127** 02-03-2006, 02:41 PM

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If you ask me (and you should :P J/k) I'd say that the enjoyment of sex is the engine that runs the instinct to reproduce. Sex is made to feel good, so the male wants to keep doing it. Why keep up something that doesn't feel good, you know? Not even instinct can force someone into doing something that doesn't feel nice.

That has been my theory since I first orgasmised.

Havoc · #**128** 02-03-2006, 02:55 PM

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Sure it can. They call it work.

I'm sure the checks you get your money from, and the money you pay your bills and food with, the money that supports your kids, provides a nice feeling...

***Nate*** · #**129** 02-03-2006, 04:53 PM

Or at least keep away a bad feeling...

But the question is why humanity has evolved to be 'always on' sexually speaking - particularly the male of the species. Most other animals only have particular times of year that they are fertile.

Abeguy · #**130** 02-03-2006, 11:00 PM

Buddhism to sex, what a transition, Back to topic, Umm...I'm too lazy to look up Wiccan, who do they "Worship?" What is the Motive, of Wiccan? And don't go telling me to look somewhere else, cause whenever I leave, this place goes crazy, like your going from Buddhism to sex.

Adder · #**131** 02-04-2006, 01:58 AM

Abeguy, if you want knowledge you have to work for it.

Wiccan is based on Nature (Gaia), but there are TONNES of deities, some of which appaer to have been assimilated into Christian worship (like St. Bridgid).

Motive? What's the Motive of Christianity? Motive is a very... suggestive word.

Rich · #**132** 02-04-2006, 05:50 AM

The motive of christianity is clearly to oppose and attempt to ban everything that is fun and/or disagreeing with their perfect world.

Leto · #**133** 02-04-2006, 12:10 PM

Ooh, Rich wins. B)

Havoc · #**134** 02-04-2006, 12:25 PM

Okay, little change of subject. Recently, Danish newspapers published cartoons projecting the holy bloke Mohammed in all kinds of funny and incriminating ways. In some of them he was even portraited as a terrorist. In return, Muslims everywhere got extremely pissed off and started threatning the news paper and the artist.
To top it all off, when the cartoons were published in a newspaper here in the Netherlands, the HQ of the paper got a bombthreat in the mail.

What do you all think of this? Do these people have the right to do this just because their belief tells them it's okay to do so?

Adder · #**135** 02-04-2006, 02:19 PM

The more I learned about this, the more I agree it shouldn't ahve been published.
I believe in freedom of speech, but "Your rights end where mine begin"

1. I thought "well, people didn't like 'THe Life of Brian'"
2. I found out Mohammad had a bomb on his turban. I thought "that's taking it a bit far"
3. I found out it's offensive to even DRAW Mohammad. I knew it was taboo to draw/depice Allah, but after hearing The Prophet is pretty much just as bad a thing to depict I relised "Damn, those guys are NOT thinking".

Think of displaying Jesus as... oh... a gay cross-dresser having a 69 with a golden cow (who he also worships). Make it into a cartoon. Do you think people will just accept it as freedom of speech?
I know that's a bit OTT, but it's hard to think of something that'll piss-off "normal" {non-Zealous} Christians.

Havoc · #**136** 02-04-2006, 02:38 PM

Actualy, I'd laugh my ass off at that Jesus sketch you just made XD. I'd print it out and put it everywhere. I havn't actualy seen any of the pictures of Moghamed, but I think I'd laugh at them too.
People need to learn to see the humour of stuff, even if they care a lot about it. The picture were meant as humour, not to bash on anyone. The fact that people can't even see/act on that is pathetic.
Example:
Now this mind sound stupid to some people, but I'd say I care as much about tigers as any religious person cares about their religion. And because everyone knows I like them so much, I get tons and tons of jokes about it every week. But I know it's meant as a joke, so I don't start bitching about it and threaten to shoot the guy.
Seriously, you can't compare it to religion realy, cuz religion draws it's rules from an old book, be it the Bible the Koran or whatever. But are people realy so stupid that they can't make a good judgement to see what is meant as a joke and what is not?
I mean come on, if I would make a joke about Mohamed somewhere on the public train station, I WILL get stabbed, shot and murderd.

***Nate*** · #**137** 02-04-2006, 03:10 PM

Perhaps they would be able to accept a joke about Mohammed. But depicting him as a terrorist is just plain offensive to moderate Muslims (extremists may well be happy that The Prophet is sharing their career path). And besides it's not just the joke. It's the fact that they should never have depicted Mohammed at all.

Adder makes a fine point. Back in 1999 there was this photographer who had an exhibition in Melbourne. One of the photos was a crucifix (with Jesus) lieing in a bucket of urine. So obviously Christian groups were upset by this. I couldn't personally see the problem until a teacher told me to imagine it done to a symbol that I hold dearly. It's the same thing with Uluru (Ayers Rock) - the Aborigines discourage people from climbing it because it is sacred to them. So I imagine what I would feel if someone set up a tourist site abseiling off the Western Wall in Jerusalem and I would be pretty damn pissed off. So if I were to go to Uluru now, I wouldn't climb it.

AquaticAmbi · #**138** 02-04-2006, 04:11 PM

I think there's a time and place for all types of humor. I make inappropriate jokes (those pertaining to religion, racism, etc.) only with friends who know my jokes are no indication of what I believe. I don't really have anything against websites, for example, that publish this kind of content since it's for an audience with that sort of comical taste. However, a newspaper is a completely different situation. A newspaper should know better than to publish something like that; this is definitely harmful to the repair of relations with the Muslim world.

Havoc · #**139** 02-04-2006, 05:08 PM

I agree that their timing wasn't briliant. But still, and having a bomb trapped to the guy might have gone just a tad far. But thats not reason to threaten to blow up a news paper HQ... actualy, this is quite ironiq. Muslims are mad about Mohamed being portrait as a terrorist with a bomb strapped on him, and in respons to it they threaten to blow up the news paper HQ... I mean... am I the only one to see the stupidity here?

Adder · #**140** 02-05-2006, 02:22 AM

Havoc, that's more the extremests. And I agree, they shouldn't be blowing things up.
However, they should be doing every legal protest possible to show just how pissed off they are.

Rich · #**141** 02-05-2006, 02:34 AM

Thing is, they get angry over it, which is ok, but now they'll go and do something completely against this precious religion they're defending, like take hostages and kill them, or blow up the various embassies around the area.

Adder · #**142** 02-05-2006, 04:32 AM

Exactly. They aren't following their religion. This is the problem.

However, I'd say the vast majority of Muslims won't be blowing things up. It's just a few zealots that are acting wrong. Of course, there are zealots in every religion (which is where the true problems start).

***Nate*** · #**143** 02-05-2006, 01:29 PM

...exactly Adder.

As far as they're concerned, they are following their religion, to the letter. It's not for you or me to say whether they are or not.

Religion is almost always up to a certain level of interpretation. Otherwise why else would virtually all large religions have multiple denominations?

Dark Elite_H2 · #**144** 02-05-2006, 01:33 PM

Very interesting topic that has been created...
But I have one question;

Which category of religion does reincarnation go with?
'Cause I believe in reincarnation.

Rich · #**145** 02-05-2006, 01:39 PM

Buddhism and Hinduism I believe are the main ones.

***Nate*** · #**146** 02-05-2006, 01:50 PM

The Druze also believe in incarnation, to the point that you can reuse a gravesite after a year or so because the physical body is no longer important.

There's even stories about children coming back, meeting their old families and fitting into their old places, to the point of punishing their children who are now 20 years older than them. But they do have some strict rules that once you're dead you can't take possession of any of your old belongings.

Dark Elite_H2 · #**147** 02-05-2006, 01:53 PM

Yeah! I knew it was either Buddhism or Hinduism.

I believe in reincarnation. I believe that when you die, you are reincarnated back to a baby, only once after you die. (and that you haven't done anything bad, like kill someone)
I believe in that strongly.

Kamille · #**148** 02-05-2006, 03:54 PM

I'm every religion

***Nate*** · #**149** 02-05-2006, 04:29 PM

Even the ones that say that all the other ones are wrong?
What about the ones that say that humanity is going to be saved by an intergalactic messiah who will come surfing on a giant comet?
What about the ones that say that the only way to cure AIDS is to rape a virgin?
What about the ones that say you should commit suicide as soon as possible?
... and etc.

idiot.

Adder · #**150** 02-06-2006, 04:46 AM

Dark Elite_H2, speaking scientificaly, reincarnation makes sence. After all, your consciousness has to be something (even if it is just energy). Since this can't "go away" it has to go somewhere else, and if that's into another body... well, you're living again.

I'm sure a lot of religions deal with reincarnation beyond those two. Purgatory can (I think) lead you to life on Earth again (kinda like a make-up test).