Do you believe in God?

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

That's alright. I try not to hurt anyone, and I am trying not to cause alittle riot. It's kinda hard explaining what you believe in, by trying not to sound alittle harsh. I am just giving you reasona why I believe in God and stuff I just don't believe the evolution theory, it does'nt make sense to me, and I never will believe in it. And I just believe that there is no proof on evolution theory. Finding Kyafis tomb is not an argument and is not an opinion. It's like finding a dion bone, and you saying, no, those are my car key! lol

[Melvin:squeeking paramite]

thats good.There are no hard feelings.Yeah,its not really an opinion.Im glad everythings okay!Peace.

[Sydney]

Many people have said a lot of great things here. It's pleasing to see everyone has maintained a level of respect for each others beliefs and I'm proud of everyones maturity.

Pink, may I ask what is it about evolution that "doesn't make sense"? Some reasons would be good, as I find it makes perfect sense with all the evidence and dating.

"I believe that every level of society - familial, tribal, national and international - the key to a happier and more successful world is the growth of compassion. We do not need to become religious, nor do we need to believe in an idealogy. All that is necessary is for each of us to develop our good human qualities." - Tenzin Gyatso, the fourteenth Dalai Lama.

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

The evidence does'nt explain how it got there? If the bible does'nt make sense, then it's possible that evolution does not make any sense. That evidence is sooo irrelevant.

[Danny]

Okay, I don't have enough attention span to type as much as other people have, but I'll try.

I hope that there is a god, but I don't think it is very likely. If there IS a god, then I think that he resembles more the Deists' view of god than the Theists'; He was the First Cause, that created the universe, but takes little or no part in the events of today. If god pi[did[/i] take part in day-to-day activities, a lot less shit would happen. Unless, of course, god's a Sadist.

So basically, I don't believe in God. I feel no need to believe in God, as Science, although it cannot explain everything, can explain enough to live by. Anyone who disagrees with evolution, by the way, is Strong-Willed but Stubborn and Blinkered. I respect you for your views, but i disagree strongly with them.

I DO, however, believe in an afterlife. I am not sure what form it will take [Heaven/Reincarnation], but i am sure that it exists. I think that Reincarnation is most likely.

I respect all people for their beliefs, whatever they are. In my view, the purpose of Religion is not to be Right, but to cause people to treat each other better. For this reason, I despair when i hear of so-called 'Holy' Wars, Crusades, and things like that. For that reason, i believe that Buddhism is the best religion, as it preaches peace, harmony, and good will to all creatures.

If I were to say which religion I belonged to, I would probably say Buddhism, as it is the one that most closely resembles my own beliefs/philosophies. Generally, i find Philosophy to be so much more useful, rewarding, and true than Religion. But that is only My Opinion.

[Danny]

Concerning Pink's Fundamentalism: Can I ask you a question? It's something I've always wondered. Why did Jesus die? I mean, thing's didn't get any better after he died, in fact in many ways they got worse. And if he died to forgive our sins, does that mean we can do whatever we like? You know, what was the purpose?

About the Big Bang Theory:

The Universe originated as one point, almost infinately small. Something [God, maybe? We don't know for sure.] caused it to expand. In it was lots of pure energy. This began to form into particles [Quarks, Leptons, WIMPs, and various others], through that thing Einstien thought of. At first, they were formed as Particle-Antiparticle pairs, so they instantly annihilated[sp] to repay the energy used to create them.

Then, after less than a thousandth of a second, the universe expanded hugely. The huge gaps created pulled the Particle-Antiparticle pairs apart, so they had no need to annihilate[sp]. Free to go their own way, the Quarks began to form into Baryons, such as Protons and Neutrons, and the heavier Leptons broke down, leving only light Leptons such as Electrons and Neutrinos.

At first there was one Unified Force, which emcompassed Gravity, Electromagnetism [Light], the Weak Force and the Strong Force. As a result of Expansion, however, the force was split. From that point on, Gravity was carried by Gravitons, Electromagnetism by Photons, the Weak Force [which later caused the Nuclear Fusion in Stars] by Weakons, and the Strong Force [which late held Protons and Neutrons together in the nuclei of atoms] by Gluons.

One thing that puzzled scientists for a long time was why the universe today is composed of matter, when matter and antimatter were created in equal amounts. We now know, however, that the X-Bosun decays to form more Matter than Antimatter, which is why there is so little Antimatter left.

The Protons, Neutrons, and Electrons began to form into atoms, due to gravitational forces and magnetic attraction. The Neutrinos and WIMPs remained in the background, as Dark Matter. Most of the atoms wer Hydrogen, with some Helium and Lithium.

Because of Gravity, the Hydrogen began to clump together, into huge balls of hydrogen, which became very hot, and began to fuse the Hydrogen and Helium to make heavier atoms, releasing a lot of Heat and Light at the same time.

I hope this clears some things up for you, Pink. The rest you should have learned in school. If you're still puzzled, ask an Expert [I'm not one of them!].

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Rettick: Anyone who disagrees with evolution, by the way, is Strong-Willed but Stubborn and Blinkered. I respect you for your views, but i disagree strongly with them.
No offense or anthing, but what you said right there did not make sense. How could you say that you respect people's opinion, but call people who don't believe in evolution strong-willed, stubbord and blinkerd? It's called evolution "theory". not Evolution fact. If you don't believe in it, you just don't, it does'nt make you blinkerd or stubborn. I personally, believe there is a God becuase he saved me a couple of times and he continues does. If you believe in God, you just do, if you don't you just don't. It won't make any sense that you believe in God, but believe the Big Bang theory It just does'nt add up.

[Danny]

Look, I respect someone who can hold onto their beliefs, but I can't see why they believe what they do.

And you can believe in both: God caused the Big Bang. God doesn't need to be word-for-word what you say he is, you know.

And you say that God isn't a theory? Then how come when I say "God, I am an Unbeliever and a Sinner, please strike me down!", he does nothing?

[just kidding with the last paragraph, trying to lighten the air]

Look, You're entitled to your views and I'm entitled to mine. But BOTH of us are entitled to try and convince the other, okay? So, you try and convert me and I'll try and convert you.

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

People are just confused upon God. He's not like what you see in the simpsons! lol. If you don't read the bible, you won't understand him. Ya get what I am saying? Not trying to be mean . But, you say that got did not strike you down right? Well, back in the old testiment, if you said that, God would of punished you there. Because Adam and Eve brought sin into the world.You needed to sacrifice lambs. Because they represent purity.And blood represented life. Priest had sacrifice the blood. But since we are under the New testiment, and Jesus was the mighty sacrifice, God does'nt kill you or anything. He just deals with you when you die, that's all . "Faith goes by hearing, and hearing the word of God".alrighty??

[Melvin:squeeking paramite]

See Monty Python films and you'll get a great understanding of God!Bwahahahahahahahhahahah!

[Danny]

Pink, can we agree to disagree, and never talk about it again, please? My brain's starting to hurt...

Belief Overload
+++Redo from Start+++

*Goes away to Reboot his Brain.*

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Rettick:
[B]Concerning Pink's Fundamentalism: Can I ask you a question? It's something I've always wondered. Why did Jesus die? I mean, thing's didn't get any better after he died, in fact in many ways they got worse. And if he died to forgive our sins, does that mean we can do whatever we like? You know, what was the purpose?

*rolls sleeves* I shall tell you why, tomorrow! It's my bedttime, it's a long explanation

[ May 24, 2001: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ]

[One, Two, Middlesboogie]

Just thought you'd all like to know this. I's a lovely metaphor.

When I was 11, my religious studies teacher told me: "Religion is a mountain. The God sits at the top, and all the religions encircle the base. They can all see the God, but they cannot see each other."

I think that sums up all the different religions very nicely.

[Rich]

Sorry this is late coming. I am a Christian but I don't believe in God, It's a lot more wierd than the other stuff. Strangely though I believe in Jesus, but I wonder about his Real father. This makes me question my beliefs about God, I just got back from a week at a Christian adventure centre they had some pretty good points about God. So my wondering continues.

[Cloverfield]

Uh oh... the 'ol religous debate... didn't this get to be a 70+ response on the ezBoard.

Anyway, I'm not really one for debate, so I'll just give my view on my beliefs, etc.

I'm a Christian, and I believe in both God and Jesus. However, there are some things that I am totally not sure about ... like who created God, and where do the Dinosaurs fit in ... and I think that when God created the Earth... it was not 7 days as we know it, but one of God's days could have been like 100 years in our days. There's also some other stuff I have my own opinion on.

Also, I don't go to church... I used to when I was younger, but my parents don't go anymore either. I don't think that you have to go to church to believe in God and be a Christian. As long as you accept Jesus as your savior, etc. Some churches like to say that you have to go to church to be saved and all of that... and I don't agree w/ that. Also some chruches are contradictory to the bible and other things, so therefore I don't really think they are that good. I think maybe that some of the youth churches are good... as they can get young people to become Christian... but that's another point.

What I do hate is tele-evangelists... especially the ones that take all your money... like they get up on stage in all their fine clothes and jewellery and flash sets, and then at the end of the programme they say to buy book number 100 of a 500 set ... or cassette number 56 or a 200 set. It's not hard to tell where all the money is going. Not all tele-evangelists are bad though... like there's this guy in Australia and he gets up on a stage with no props in jeans and a shirt and doesn't even ask for a donation.

Well that's my view.

Abe Babe...

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Rich The Intern:
Sorry this is late coming. I am a Christian but I don't believe in God, It's a lot more wierd than the other stuff. Strangely though I believe in Jesus, but I wonder about his Real father. This makes me question my beliefs about God, I just got back from a week at a Christian adventure centre they had some pretty good points about God. So my wondering continues.

No offense, but how can u believe in Jesus Christ only? Jesus and God are God, and they both are one. You can just believe in Jesus Christ and not God, or God and not Jesus christ. Then you will believe that God has sent his son. And you have to believe that he is the son of God. Jesus been here ever since Genesis. WIthout God, no Jesus Christ. You know what I'm saying yo?

Yeah, you don't have to go to church in order to believe in God. As long as you follow the five steps of salvation: hear the word, believe, confess, be baptize in the holy ghost, repent. But you are not going to touch the radio on the church channel and expect to be save. It does'nt work that way. But once you believe iN jesus Christ being the son of God, you really can't go back. I mean, yeah, some people in church can be hypocritical but you can't expect christians to be perfect. No one is. Only Jesus is perfect. That's why God sent him down to die for us, because he loves us so much, in order to put a place in heaven where he is. You will understand God through the bible. He's not a bad God. You know, I use to be atheist too. But my friend Krystal (sistasouljah as you may know, always busy!lol) but she said, in a nicely way to try Jesus out in a day. And i didi, i read the bible and the bible is amazing. It makes sence. I use to believe in Evolution theory but now i don't because, it's so irrelevent and God making the earth in 7 days does make sense to me. He just made it so simple, not complicated. But yeah, In order to understand God, you have to read the bible. God is like wind. Even though you can't see him, he's there. But you believe in wind right?

[Danny]

It's easy to just believe in Jesus. Jesus was a normal human being, he was just a Great Guy. He helped people. He wasn't the son of God, he was the son of Joseph. You can follow his teachings [about not treating each other like shit] without believing that he was the son of God.

In fact, he was a Revolutionary, and set out to overthrow the Roman Empire [quite ironically, because the Roman Empire, like so many other people, later used Christianity as an excuse to Kill people, but Jesus isn't to blame for what people do in his name.]

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Rettick:
It's easy to just believe in Jesus. Jesus was a normal human being, he was just a Great Guy. He helped people. He wasn't the son of God, he was the son of Joseph. You can follow his teachings [about not treating each other like shit] without believing that he was the son of God.]

You can't believe in Just Jesus there is no way. Then you won't believe in God making him, being the son of him. It's only half of a whole. But no, Jesus was not a regular man! Believe me! I guy would not die for you, in order to redeem your sins. Jesus never sinned. If Jesus had not died, if you lie, or sin, you would of been dead.

About the Romans thing, yes, that is true, they would percecute Christans, and use them as a scapegoat, becuase the Romans were declining. But, those people died in believing Jesus Christ. It begins with a m, i forgot what that is called when you die for youe beliefs. but are already in heaven. They only had to die once, and live in happiness forever. and the bible says:

Matthew 5:11
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsey say all kinds of evil against you becuase of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets before you.

[ May 26, 2001: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ]

[Danny]

It's not a question of believing in Jesus: he existed, that's a fact. Whether he was the son of God is something that is less certain, but we do know that there has been a LOT of exaggeration in between Jesus's life and the writing of the New Testament, and I think that I am 99% certain that Jesus did not WANT to die on the cross. He did not die for our sins, he died because the Romans wanted rid of him.

And when I said the Romans used Christianity as an excuse to kill people, I didn't mean they persecuted Christians. If you brushed up on your History, you'd know that for a long time the Romans WERE Christian, and used that as an excuse to kill Non-Christians, Just as Richard the Lionheart used the same excuse to kill a load of Muslims, because they weren't Christian.

I think that it is clear that the Christians have spent a lot more time persecuting others than being persecuted themselves. That is what I mean when I say Jesus isn't to blame for what they've done in his name.

That's what depresses me about Religion: the way people don't hesitate to mistreat people for believing something different. Christianity is all well and good when it helps people, but we should do more to try and eradicate its Dark Side.

[Steel Shark 100]

You want to get real confused and dizzy, freked out and turned all upside down? Then read on, if not quit while you are ahead.


I had a feeling most of you would still be here. The only non-confusing thing in my post is this : " In the beginning there was God". I'm by no means a overly religeous person, but that's my belief.

Now for some freaked out thoughts. What was the first thing that ever existed? You come up with an answer yet? Ok well than how did it become an existing thing, whatever it is? There had to be something that existed first right? Well how did that first thing get here? And what created this so-called first thing? And so on and so on and on and on, get the point.

One, Two, Middlesboogie,stated this a while back,:
"All life forms started as no more than little bits of deoxyribose nucleic acids floating around in the primordial soup. These bits of DNA evolved protein coats for protection from other foreign bits of DNA. Eventually the protein coats became so sophisticated that they became all the
creatures we see today".

I'm no scientist, and that statement could be true to a point. However let's call "deoxyribose nucleic acids" Particle x. Where does particle x come from? Is particle X the first thing in existence? It was just in existence for all times, no beginning? Does Particle X come from some other scientific mumbo jumbo? And then where did that come from? It never ends.

The amazing thing is that there had to be something first,and whatever that was,well how could that be possible, how did "it" get here? So as you can see anything is possible once you really think about it. By the way did you know that the universe never ends. It just goes on and on. There's no amazing wall up or down there, no sudden void of nothingness, is there?

Bottom line is that a supreme being is, and that supreme being has created all the particle X's and those Particle X's went from there at that point. First there is a God or supreme being, and then there is science which comes from God. "Science is gods toy".

Just one simple Sharks opinion here, and belief, oh about 80 or so years from now "God willing" we will know the truth anyway. Yah I plan on being around for awhile.

[Yemmling]

im an agnostic like syd, but i have formed some opinions on religeon and whatnot

i think that religeon is good (in most cases), but i also belive that any bleif in god or buddah reaching enlightenment or jesus bein the sun of god are all based on a blind faith. no one can ever know as a fact, that there is a god. im sorry if that might seem offensive to you stronger christians, but that is how i feel. unless you die, i dont think there is any way to know if god REALLY exists. thats why they call belief in god "faith" becasue it's faith in something you cant prove as a hard fact.

on the other hand, i cant prove that there isnt a god. there may be scientific theorys to back it up, most of which i belive in, but no one can truly tell that there isnt one devine being who started it all.

now im sure all of you have barrels of facts, sciptures, analysis' and bibles to back up your own beleif, but until you're dead, i dont think those should really matter.

[Sydney]

One theory is that the universe expands and contracts. The Big Bang theory is widely accepted in the scientific community, so adding to this is the expand and contract theory. At the moment, the universe is expanding (this has been scientificly proven). There will come a time when scientists believe the universe will contract, and all matter will be compressed back into that tiny pin point once again. Then the "big bang" will occur all over again, making a continuous universal cycle.

Many people have a false impression of what "time" is and assume that there always needs to be a "before" and an "after." With the expand and contract theory, not only matter expands and contracts. Time does too. It's hard to explain, but think of a black hole, not only is matter sucked into black holes, but time is too.

Imagine if all matter in the universe was compressed into a pinpoint with the same conditions as were in the previous cycle. Considering that time was also compressed back to its original form, that would make the next expansion identical to "previous" expansions. I encase "previous" in inverted commas as "previous" suggests "before." Since time also compresses and expandeds, it makes any notion of time "before" the big bang an impossible idea. There was nothing "before" the big bang because time didn't exist. I'm not an expert, but that's the current theory to the best of my knowledge.

Abe Babe, I know what you mean. Televangelists are annoying. There is this one woman I see on the Christian channel, she is encrusted with jewels, diamonds and gold. Whatever happened to being humble? Not to mention Jerry Falwell, you would think he is God the way he judges people.

On the other hand, I know some Christians who are wonderful people. My Catholic scripture teacher, Mrs Chudley, was one of the most compassionate, loving people I have ever known.

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Sydney:


There is this one woman I see on the Christian channel, she is encrusted with jewels, diamonds and gold. Whatever happened to being humble? Not to mention Jerry Falwell, you would think he is God the way he judges people.

Yeah, but SYd, Christians can be covered in gold in stuff, and diamonds and still be humble. Christians don't have to dress dirty and look homely, that is another steretype that people say. I mean, you could were alot of jewlery and stuff, and praise God with no shame, that is humble so it is not what you wear, it's your attitude. God does'nt care about your clothes. God want us to have the best in life. If he did'nt, then he would not make any Gold. If christians are suppose to be humble that wya, then how come in heaven, there are mansions, and the streets are made of gold then??? Your saying that God is not humble then??? God is not bias. He did'nt say in the bible that christans can't wear gold and stuff, and say non-christans can only! And how does Jerry Judge people? Don't get on Cleffo Dollar though, he's my main minister yo!

Catholics and Christians are not the same thing. They have differences. Yup, some people may be compassionate in church, but could still be just as evil behind closed doors. But people could tell if you are a fake . But I am going to believe in God, I believe he made everything and I believe that the bible is real too, and no one cane change my mind . Rettick, I shall answer your post on "why did Jesus diie in the next post" It's a long story. But no offense, i think you need to brush up on your history because the romans use to be polytheistic and did persecuted christians and use them as a scapegoat because their empire was declining. I'm not stupid, i can read. They would even put christans in the collesium for entertainment so the lions would eat them. Jesus did not die becuase the Romans were after him. They were after him one time, and he hid! Because, it was not his time to die and God did not plan him to die at the time. It would of said that in the bible but it's not in the bible saying that Jesus died because of the ROmans. Jesus plan to die for us was planned
Before the romans even exist, or the day when adam and eve brought sin into the world.

[ May 26, 2001: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ]

[Melvin:squeeking paramite]

Why was Jesus Jewish?I mean if he was the son of God wouldn't he be Christian?Okay,this question must seem kind of stupid but I don't know too much thats in the Bible.
Blessed are the cheese makers.

[Sydney]

Melvin, Jesus was Jewish because Judaism was the religion of the area in that time. Christianity is an extension of Judaism. As far as I know, the Jewish faith believes that a saviour will come and liberate them of their sins, as written in the old testament.

Jesus was born into a jewish family and Jesus claimed he was the saviour. The Jews of today believe Jesus was a false prophet.

Pinkhaired, I'm sorry, I was lead to believe that those who are humble do not flaunt their wealth. And if you want to know how Falwell judges people, visit his website.

Pink, Catholics are Christians. Christianity is based on accepting Jesus as the saviour, and Catholicism embraces that.

[Cloverfield]

Sydney, you raise some interesting points there. I am a science fiction fan, so have seen every theory of space and time imagineable. But I also wonder about some of the theories that are put forward in movies and books... like it may only be science fiction, but it could just possibly be real. Like the Universe for example... like where does it end. what happens when one reaches the end of the universe... would you just like disintergrate. One theory is that the universe is in fact a globe that you cannot get out of, and it all joins up... but of course what would be out of that globe. I have also heard about the theroy of the universe expanding and contracting, and I find it very interesting indeed.

Then there are other theories... like pararell (sp?) universes... like in the series Sliders. Once again... science fiction... but could possibly be real. In that in another pararell universe we make a different decision and things are totally different. There could be an infinite number of pararell universes out there.

PinkHaired... these people on the TV that wear jewels, etc... they claim to be helping the poor, etc... well if so, they shouldn't be wearing diamonds, etc. IMO that is wrong. I'm not saying they should dress scruffy... but I would think twice before giving money to someone that is wearing diamonds and is using an elaborate set.

Abe Babe...

[Lampion]

wow, all this discussion is getting very interesting! I'd like to make another contribution with a few more lines.

About the desoxirribe nucleic acid, their main task is to sintetize Proteins, which are long chains of aminoacid, made of raw molecules which could be found very easily in the primordial soup that formed the oceans of Earth.

These raw elements (Amonia, carbon, hidrogen, and so on), under specific atmosphere conditions(high pressure, lightning bolts, etc), can be combined into aminoacids, which are organics molecules. Scientists attempted to reproduce this phenomenon in a controled experiment and actually succedded in producing aminoacid from raw elements only, proving that it was possible to happen in the past.

When one of those aminoacid chains reached an specific configuration that allowed it to create a molecule capable of make another exact copie of it, the whole process of evolving organic creatures started on Earth(well, acording to biologic theories).

Pink, you said:
"Jesus and God are God, and they both are one"
And you also said:
"God is not bias. He didn't say in the bible that christians can't wear gold and stuff"

According to what you said, I can conclude that being Jesus also God, what he said is actually what God said.

But Jesus told to his 12 friends that, in order to follow him, they had to give all they owned to the poor people, and always divide the bread with others.

So, I see a logical contradition in your arguments, here. I thought that when you say that you beleive in the Bible, It means the whole Bible, from the first to the last page. By the way, do you use an English Bible? do you know that the original Bible was written in aramaic, hebraic and Greek? Do you know who translated the Bible you use and you say you beleive. Are you sure, all the words in there are exactly the same ones used thousands years ago, with the same meanings?

Just a little example the Greek word for ghost is Daemon, which means a non-living creature, not good neither evil, but all the translations from the greek created this word: Demon and gave it an evil meaning, mostly in the middle age in Europe, by the catholic church. So, when you read demon, it doesn't mean exactly evil. ther are good "demons", or ghosts, like Moses and Isaias, that appeared to Jesus and his 12 friends.

I'm not trying to be bold and offensive, not at all. But saying that you beleifs are actually the true, and others beleifs aren't, is not a humble attitude, for a Christian.

Sorry to be addressing all this arguemnts toward you, Pinky. don't take it personally. I'm sure you are a great person. It's just that you seem to be the most closed-minded person in this discussion, without trying to comprehend or even tolerate others opinions. Be the way, comprehension and tolerance are beautiful christian attitudes.

One more thing I'd like to know, Pink. In your humble opinion, as a Christian you say you are, what should a person do, and behave, and beleive, to be considered a Christian? If you could give a detailed explanation, I'd appreciate that.

[ May 28, 2001: Message edited by: Lampion ]

[Steel Shark 100]

What was the first thing that came into existence? Forget about the details on religion and science. That all came later.Think about that for a moment, there had to be something that existed first, and whatever that was how did it come into being?

Science came after "GOD"or the supreme being. Big bang, big boom, whatever, genes, all came from God, they did there thing with God's permission.

Bottom line: Science is "GODS" toy. And I'm not really into religion,just feel that that's the truth.

Oh yes and well what's the first thing that came into existence everyone? And how did it get here? That's the fun question.Come on tell me.

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Okay, now i gotz ta get logic now! lol.

SYdney: Jesus was not Jewish becuase of that Judaism was the main religion. God, back then had two groups. The Gentiles and the Jews. Jews were God's chosen people back then. (Jesus cancelled that Law when he was born) Gentiles were people like, Japanese, hispanic, etc. And Mary, his mom, was God's favored women, who obeyed him. God planted a seed into Mary, and Gabrielle, the Angel told her, that she would have a son and name him Jesus. But Jesus, in his physical appearance was Jewish. Jesus was there before God made the Earth. Yes, Catholics and Christians are similar becuase they believe in Jesus Christ and God. But i could name alot of reasons why they differ. Want a list?

Lampion: No offense, but you always see a contradiction some where! lol. But, there is no contradiction. The bible comes in all different languages. There is the KIV version (King James Version. It's Elizabethan language, like thy, thee, etc.)
And thr NIV(New internation version, language we speak, like regular english)
A man cannot reword a bible!!! Besides, I compared Bibles before. There is no way, that a guy would remember all of those incidents, in exact form. Um, God said that those religions are pagan, so your saying that God is not humble! You argue with him by that. If you read the bible, you will know what the true word humble means. God said, if you don't believe in him, you are not going to Heaven. You argue with him about that, not me. And people say that God puts you in hell. No, you put your self in hell. He did not tell you, to steal that barbie doll in Toy's r us now. Besides, I am a new disciple, I am still a baby in christ. I am still learning the Bible so you can't judge me. Us christians, are not suppose to condemn you to hell, but tell you about God, and How loving he is, and people say bad stuff about him. How could you, when you don't even know him. Not trying to sound mean or anything.

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

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Lampion: How could you say that I am closed-minded, you don't personally know me. I have friends who believe in all kinds of stuff. I learned about Hinduism, buddisum. In a matter of fact, I was buddist! I was atheist, so your not making any connection. I got proved wrong. I got into a car accident with my uncle and I thank God this day, that I am still alive. He was atheist, I was too, but i could of been dead because my mom prayed for me, until she found out that my uncle was drunk and was crazy at the time.But she received a phone call that he was. And I just thank him and love him, because I cold of been dead. I sometimes start to cry too, because he was so good to me, and how many times he came for me. The only thing I think, I should do in return is to believe in him, and my life is even better . But anyways, Christans are humans too, and were are not to be stupid and let people push us around. I just told you, that I don't believe in the evolution theory. To be honest, you seem kinda closed-minded because you are not excepting my opinions too. I'm cool with people opinions. I am just telling you what i believe, answering people pop quiz questions, and telling you what the bible saids so don't get mad at me. Sorry to sound harsh, I apologize, but i had to clear that up. but yeah, sorry. And yeah, God told what to say to people. Jesus did not tell the 12 desciples that. He told them to teach his word to all nations, and be baptized in the father, son, and holy spirit. It's in 1 John and John 5:24-29. The bible, It's pretty interesting I think . Here is John 5:24-29 Oh, wanna here John 5:24? It states:

I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and will not come to condemnation, but has passed from death to life. I say to you, the hour is coming and is now here when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For just as the Father has life in himself, so also he gave to his Son the possession of life in himself. And he gave him power to exercise judgment, because he is the Son of Man. Do not be amazed at this, because the hour is coming in which all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and will come out, those who have done good deeds to the resurrection of life, but those who have done wicked deeds to the resurrection of condemnation.



AbeBabe: Well, there are some people in other churches who don't wear jewlery, and are just as evil. What does jewlery have to do with it? If it did not say that in the bible, then you can wear jewlery. The most important thing is what it comes inside heart. But people make excuses saying "Oh Lord, I feed the hungery, I went to all the church meetings, da da da." Those are greet, but what did you do? You probably lied without repenting. God looks at the heart. Not your appearences. There were alot of people who were humble, wearing jewlery and perfumes. It's not on all appearence. God does not look at your appearance. In a matter of fact, no matter how much jewlery you wear or dress to kill, in God's eyes, you look like those poor people in the streets. I mean, we are nothing, without God. We ain't all that now! LOL.

Lampion again!!!lol

Well yeah, i can tell you how to act as a chrisitan! That would be spiffy dude. I just hope no one is trying to think that i am forcing you or something. But i wanted to know also, how did the evolution theory came to existence

[ May 27, 2001: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ]