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Every smoker knows that it is killing them. Have you ever thought that perhaps we are content with that?

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...? Well I don't think we should have a killer drug around just because people want it, its all about the money and people getting cravings.
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In a purely economical sense fat people are a much bigger drain on the NHS than smokers are, thanks to taxes on cigarettes, smokers pay their own NHS bills around five times over while obese people provide a constant drain.

Surely it would be more economical for the government to ban high cholesterol foods before cigarettes as they are both addictive and kill people in the long run. The biggest killer in the UK is heart disease, not lung cancer.

The moral of this story: If the government start banning substances just because they are bad for you where do they stop?

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In this day and age men are far more oppressed than women are, they are expected to live up to the ideal of the 'Action Man' (Big, macho, goes down the pub with 'the lads' and watches 'footie') and any deviation from this norm or any show of emotion is considered a character flaw or weakness.
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In this day and age men are far more oppressed than women are, they are expected to live up to the ideal of the 'Action Man' (Big, macho, goes down the pub with 'the lads' and watches 'footie') and any deviation from this norm or any show of emotion is considered a character flaw or weakness.
Really?

If anything I've noticed the opposite. I mean, look at me for instance

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This is all culturally dependent of course, British people are well known for being the worlds worst football hooligans.
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Of course, I'd not apply my opinion to country Australia.

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There are few other things I've realized:
Lipstick. What does lipstick do? It makes your lips look red. Why? Because when you are horny, both men and women, the lips get red. Men seem to love women that simulate to be horny. Weird, that they say that it's feminine to be so and wouldn't wear libstick themself.
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Their lips turn red when they are horny? Do women's faces also turn blue during sex or is that only because I'm strangling them?
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...? Well I don't think we should have a killer drug around just because people want it, its all about the money and people getting cravings.
Now that really would be oppresion. It's not like people don't know smoking is dangerous, you don't even have to be able to read to know that smoking is poisonous; there's a skull-and-crossbones symbol on the packets. Besides, banning smoking would only serve to make people more interested in it.
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The moral of this story: If the government start banning substances just because they are bad for you where do they stop?

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In this day and age men are far more oppressed than women are, they are expected to live up to the ideal of the 'Action Man' (Big, macho, goes down the pub with 'the lads' and watches 'footie') and any deviation from this norm or any show of emotion is considered a character flaw or weakness.
I always just thought the government didn't ban tobacco because they make so much money from it. That's obviously still the main reason. Perhaps other dangerous drugs will be legalised someday, though obviously with much bigger warnings on the packets, more expensive etc., based on what you said it's oppression for these substances (cocaine, heroin etc.) to be banned, which it may well be even.

Men? Oppressed? Don't make me laugh, women are way more oppressed than any male currently is (excluding the son of Bin Laden).
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Men? Oppressed? Don't make me laugh, women are way more oppressed than any male currently is (excluding the son of Bin Laden).
Put on some lipstick and a skirt then walk down a street, tell me what you think after that.

In todays society men are a a lot more restricted than women when it comes to how they are able to behave and what they can wear etc. Ever heard the expression 'Don't cry like a little girl'? Women are allowed to be emotional because they are perceived, rather wrongly, as the 'weaker sex' meaning to establish a psychological balance men are brought up to be 'Strong'. In the end sexism works both ways and restricts both parties yet there is a lot more stigma attached to being a man acting as a woman than there is vice versa.

PS: It should be obvious but my argument only applies to the western world. In the vast majority of the human race I agree that woman are still vastly more oppressed than men.
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True - I think everywhere besides big business, women have the upper hand.

Bitchs. I mean that in the nicest way possible.

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I think women are still more oppressed in other ways. If a women had a beard or any body hairy legs going down the street...yeah, but it's roughly the same principle, though perhaps to a lesser extent. Also there's wage differences/job availability, what's expected of women in the home, social expectations (drinking alcohol being an example, a women getting drunk would be frowned apon more than a man doing the same). Also, men acting as women/women acting as men isn't the only form of oppression, there's other sexist views attached to women. Crying like a little girl comes from the female gender in the first place, obviously they're not thought of especially highly for that to be an insult. Lesbianism seems to be more of a big, bad thing than being gay too, maybe not from our point of view, but on the whole when you think about it. Also, women are heavily oppressed in religion, with no good reason whatsoever. Why can't women be priests? No good reason is given, despite the virgin Mary being the mother of freakin' God, here. I'll never understand those silly Catholics and their rather moronic ideals.

Certainly in the one example of men acting as women, they get alot more grief than women acting as men. Maybe it's something to do with the man/woman hierarchy (a women acting as a 'superior' male is more acceptable than a man acting as an 'inferior' female?), but I dunno.
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Lesbianism seems to be more of a big, bad thing than being gay too,
What the fuck are you talking about? I think gay men are definately treated worse.

Ask a typical straight guy what they think about lesbians, then ask them what they think about fags.

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Lesbianism seems to be more of a big, bad thing than being gay too, maybe not from our point of view, but on the whole when you think about it.
I guarantee you that lesbian porn far outsells the male equivalent.
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the miserable high school boys.
If we were girls, we could get popular by doing anything:
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On the other hand, high school boys are
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But they're recklessly trying to make a slice-of-life anime about us.
Ah, we are high school boys,
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What the fuck are you talking about? I think gay men are definately treated worse.

Ask a typical straight guy what they think about lesbians, then ask them what they think about fags.

Zerox, your whole arguement is onesided.
On reflection, that does make alot more sense, especially considering what OANST said.

Though these days, just how many people actually care about either side of it? Apart from the obsessed sadsacks.
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There are more important things to worry about, such as women getting less pay that men (I believe it's 85% in Australia, but I could be completly wrong), but then again they get paterinty leave (assuming they get pregant, which is becoming less and less common).
and then there's the whole barrer between developing and developed countries, how some countries have the hugley rich, and the extreme poor (take China for example, it's still considered a developing country, and they are on the UN aid list, but realy, they should be helping themselves, they have cities like Hong kong, and Shang Hai, yet they have people living in shacks).
Having homelessness is basically a violation of the UN human rights, yet all countries have it (correct me if I'm wrong). The USA breaks our human rights every day, everyone has the right to live, yet alot of their states enforce the death penalty.
Now, instead of going on with my rant, I will stop short and say, the seperate bathrooms are for security reasons, I mean, a man of colour is no danger to a man of another colour, unless you take into the account that there are gangs forming etc. because of prejudice.
However, men and women and naturally attracted to each other, having them combined will open up allot of opportunites for rope and perving.
Also, take into account that many bathrooms include changerooms and showers, or at least in private facilities, it's a breach of our privacy.
I'm assuming dressing up and lipstick is all a form of our hormones and instinks, females make themselves look prettier in order to impress and attract males (in contrast to male peacocks), while males buff themselves up in order to impress females and give protection against other males, aswell as scaring other males off (Like how goats sport their horns, or in contrast to black widow spiders, where the female is larger).
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Now, instead of going on with my rant, I will stop short and say, the seperate bathrooms are for security reasons, I mean, a man of colour is no danger to a man of another colour, unless you take into the account that there are gangs forming etc. because of prejudice.
Does buggery exist in your world? You obviously have never heard of the soap scenario.
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The USA breaks our human rights every day, everyone has the right to live, yet alot of their states enforce the death penalty.
People have the right to live without fear of rape or murder, the philosophical thinking of certain states in the US is that the life of an innocent man is far more important than the life of a guilty man and so the guilty man must be sacrificed to protect the innocent. And also some stuff about deterrent which is a load of crap because I've never heard of a murderer/rapist who ever intended to get caught.
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but realy, they should be helping themselves, they have cities like Hong kong, and Shang Hai, yet they have people living in shacks
You do know that almost every country in the world has ghettos or shanty towns? Including the US and Australia.
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but then again they get paterinty leave
Please tell me you mean maternity leave if you're talking about women? (And yes, fathers can get paternity leave, no oppression there.

One more thing, would it be too much to ask to leave a line between paragraphs? that monster block of text is hideous to read, at the very least indent.
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Firstly, ok, I'm not 100% certain on what I say, but I get quite annoyed when people speak in low modality, I have a freind that always does it, and apologizes, and I find it pointless, just keep in mind I don't research what I say, but they are my beliefs, and I'm just giving an argument for the sake of a discussion.

Ok, now going on, yes, but to a much lesser degree besides, males are deemed more physically able to than the average female, it is far harder for an average male to advance over another average male than it is with an average male and an average female.

Also, some people suspect that females are not able to "rape" (I disagree, since both genders should be treated equally in terms of the law). Also, the "soap" scenario occurs mostly in prisons (Obviously it CAN happen anywhere), and these aren't your average people. Also, I am perfectly aware that males can sexually abuse other males, as can females, but this is of a lesser case as I said above, and you can't give a bathroom for every different person (altouigh those not physically able, or disabled, have their own bathroom), due to lack of recources and space, so the current system keeps alot more people safe, ok, rape is still possible, but by having two seperate bathrooms, you're minimalising it.

And I was responding to the OP, so I haven't checked if sports have been mention, and I'll be surpirzed if they haven't (due to the fact that males and females participate seperatly in nearly all offical events), but this is again due to males seen as more physically able, and females are seen as more flexable (This is of course in averages).

Also, Australia and the US are not developing countries, my main point.
And to a MUCH lesser degree to china, it's not shanty towns, so much as a few developed cities in a shanty country (I know this may be deemed offensive, but so may the term "Develping country" or "3rd world country".

Also, I meant maternity leave, also, this is MUCH longer than paternity leave, but it is perfectly plausable why. It's just this exact argument was used in saying why women get a lesser pay then men, and I was arguing against it.

Also, to show how irrirelivent seperated bathrooms are, or at leaset typical ones, in the grand skeams of things, I will tell you my experiance on exchange to italy:
Women, by tradition, are made to clean, cook, etc. My family, did not have a father, so the mother worked, and the grandmother did all of the house work, the grandfather did help out in other ways, like driving members around.

The text books had several examples, some of the girls I went with were disgusted by this, I wasn't in their classes though.

The thing that irritaed me though, was sport, ok, all the captains were male, but what realy annoyed me was the change rooms/ bathrooms. The boys got a change room attached to the main center, fit with showers, etc. The girls got a sperated shack 100 metres amougnst some brush. Now I'm not even going to go into the acceptable activites of what the males did, but it was sexually darrogitive to women.

Hence why I felt the need to show problems I thought were a greater importance, becuase, altough the examples stated are hidden, there are much worse (in my eyes anyway) problems happenning that we are not aware of.

*Edit* Also, on the subject on homophobia, I'm appalled by it, I act more dramatically than most, and I'm excluded, abused, etc. becuase of the way I act, even though I am hetrosexual.
But where I'm from (upper class australian, going to a rich, upper class all male school) anyone anything short of perfect is put down (some could say it is not that bad, but it is horrible, the fact that there is much worse things happening shows how horrible things have become), looks, clothes, wealth, beliefs etc. are all attacked, the only ones that are spared are the ones that were so prejudiced in the past, that people who do abuse them are abused back (such as race, I would say homosexuals, but untill the eventual acceptance, they won't be left alone either).
People don't like what is different, it's in our instincts to fear them, but that doesn't make it right.
Also, to Wings of Fire, and everyone else, I by no means know I'm right, and know that I contracdict myself when I speak, I'm just presenting my beliefs, I hope no one gets offended or annoyed by them.
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Can you PLEASE space your typing? I wanted to reply, but I just lost my place three times.
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But they're recklessly trying to make a slice-of-life anime about us.
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Ok, I tried to space it a bit, but yeah, it's just a rant, and when I start I can't stop.
Next time I'll try and do short and simple posts, that actually have points.
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People don't like what is different, it's in our instincts to fear them, but that doesn't make it right.
come to Wellington mate, it's full of fucking freaks and that's just normal.
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Exactly, it's normal there, hence no one has an objection.
How do you treat the normal people? :P
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Ah, we are high school boys,
the miserable high school boys.
If we were girls, we could get popular by doing anything:
rock band, jazz band,
karate, kendo, mahjong, cyborg, synchronized swimming...
On the other hand, high school boys are
useless outside battle and sports anime.
But they're recklessly trying to make a slice-of-life anime about us.
Ah, we are high school boys,
the miserable high school boys.

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