Do you want kids? -

Bullet Magnet · #31 10-23-2006, 08:54 AM

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That assumes all parents die the instant their last child is born.

An equilibrium will be reached. Though it is dependant on lifespan not increasing any further.

Havoc · #32 10-23-2006, 02:37 PM

Everyone should just stop breeding for the next 20 years and adopt the orphans! Why create new when there is already a warehouse full of kids? You don't make new coffee when someone else already made you a cup, now do you?

Steef Head · #33 10-23-2006, 03:32 PM

I would like kids. Or maybe I could adopt a child. The're just too cute!

Statikk HDM · #34 10-23-2006, 04:29 PM

I just had some knuckle children.
Sorry, but it felt like it needed to be said.
On topic:Nah, too much hassle. I'm a big asshole and I've probably cost my mom well over a 100,000 dollars by now. I'd have to say that if I had a kid like me it would not be worth it all. And I figure I'm about average so there's a good shot I could end up with somebody even worse! I'll take the 3 years wages.

***Nate*** · #35 10-23-2006, 05:15 PM

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Everyone should just stop breeding for the next 20 years and adopt the orphans! Why create new when there is already a warehouse full of kids? You don't make new coffee when someone else already made you a cup, now do you?

What orphans? There aren't enough in most western countries to meet demand from parents who want to adopt.

If, on the other hand, you're suggesting third world orphans, I think that's a great idea but I challenge you to suggest how develop the necessary infrastructure to match children to potential parents, deal with the masses of red tape* and transport parentless children around the world.

*Red tape = the big thing here. I know some people who adopted a kid from Africa and it took them years to get permission from both the American government and the country the kid came from. They wanted to adopt a second child but they've given up because it's just too difficult.

Facsimile · #36 10-23-2006, 08:46 PM

Oh god no, I don't want children.
There's no way in hell I'm supporting the human race's continuation.
Not to mention what must be done to acquire one.
Ugh.

Havoc · #37 10-24-2006, 01:35 AM

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What orphans? There aren't enough in most western countries to meet demand from parents who want to adopt.

If, on the other hand, you're suggesting third world orphans, I think that's a great idea but I challenge you to suggest how develop the necessary infrastructure to match children to potential parents, deal with the masses of red tape* and transport parentless children around the world.

*Red tape = the big thing here. I know some people who adopted a kid from Africa and it took them years to get permission from both the American government and the country the kid came from. They wanted to adopt a second child but they've given up because it's just too difficult.

Well maybe there is a bigger demand but at least people could first see if they can adopt a kid before they screw and have their own and add another rodent to this planet. And there should be a law that restricts stupid people from breeding >_<. To many stupid people having kids these days.

looney-bin · #38 10-24-2006, 02:18 AM

They have that kind of law in China, havoc. Noone there can have more than 2 children I think.

Havoc · #39 10-24-2006, 02:45 AM

Yea I know, and it's a good law. Should be implemented troughout the entire world in my opinion. No-one should be allowed to have 8 f*cking kids!

used:) · #40 10-24-2006, 11:50 AM

It's deeper than what's better for the greater good. Do you think most parents make babies becasue they simply want more humans on this Earth? Child birth should be a matter of love, not duty. The reason people would rather have their own child so that their blood doesn't stop at them. So the person can have the wonderful experience of being a parent to their own flesh and blood. When you decide that adoption and balancing out every family is superior than raising your own family, it all becomes a system. And life isn't meant to be sorted out into a system.

***Wil*** · #41 10-24-2006, 01:59 PM

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And life isn't meant to be sorted out into a system.

If a species wants to enjoy self‐awareness and technology, it needs a system; otherwise, it could end up doing something silly like reproducing beyond sustainability.

AquaticAmbi · #42 10-24-2006, 02:31 PM

I don't like being told what I can do with my uterus. If I ever wanted to have an abortion, no government should be able to stop me. If I want to bear 8 children, once again, no government should be able to virtually tie my tubes with laws.

But of course, I'm intelligent enough to see that having 8 children isn't the best choice for me or the rest of the world and I would advise people not to do that sort of thing either, but ultimately, it's the parents' choice. No one should TELL them what to do.

I'm a stinking liberal. Get over it.

And I'd prefer a child of my own flesh and blood simply because I want to see someone else related to me be successful in life, and I'd like to see if my goofy personality is passed on. But if I couldn't conceive or something, I would happily bring an orphan into my home. In fact, maybe that second child I want will be one... if I can afford all the costs associated with adoption. I hear it can be expensive, but it seems like something that should be absolutely free of charge.

Bullet Magnet · #43 10-24-2006, 03:47 PM

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I don't like being told what I can do with my uterus. If I ever wanted to have an abortion, no government should be able to stop me. If I want to bear 8 children, once again, no government should be able to virtually tie my tubes with laws.

Wow. A uterus was always an organ that women had. After reading that, I feel like I know what it is like for it to be a part of you. It's... weird.

used:) · #44 10-24-2006, 05:08 PM

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If a species wants to enjoy self‐awareness and technology, it needs a system; otherwise, it could end up doing something silly like reproducing beyond sustainability.

I meant a system so far to the extent of assigning families children and limiting the number of children a family should produce to 2. Think The Giver.

Patrick Vykkers · #45 10-24-2006, 05:34 PM

I don't want to get off topic, but last time I checked, the abortion debate was about how much control a woman should have over her baby (or fetus, if you prefer).

Also, is it okay for me to have 10 kids and make them all worship me (From a legal standpoint, I'm sure that God would have something to say about it)? Is it okay to have kids so I can get someone to buy cigarettes in a seedy neighbourhood because I'm too damn lazy to get out of bed? Is it okay to have kids because I just want tax breaks? I'm not accusing you of having these motives, don't get me wrong, but there are limits. Surely, the rights of the offspring to have a healthy life are greater than those of a Parents Right to Turn Their Children Into Stars To Fulfill Their Lost Dreams (TM)?

Anyway, I think that the stupid should be prevented from breeding. Call me a eugenicist, but I think that its better to have some eugenics than a bunch of mental midgets who can't figure out how to operate basic objects having kids, the kids starving to death/getting electrocuted/getting molested/etc..

Havoc · #46 10-25-2006, 12:13 AM

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It's deeper than what's better for the greater good. Do you think most parents make babies becasue they simply want more humans on this Earth? Child birth should be a matter of love, not duty. The reason people would rather have their own child so that their blood doesn't stop at them. So the person can have the wonderful experience of being a parent to their own flesh and blood. When you decide that adoption and balancing out every family is superior than raising your own family, it all becomes a system. And life isn't meant to be sorted out into a system.

Like it or not, the second we took over this planet and started whiping out everything in our way, it became a system. There is nothing natural about giving birth anymore. Mating and procreating is meant to keep the species alive. We have a few billion of us on the planet, I think we can do a few years without breeding at this point. We are multiplying faster then rabbits! There is no animal on the planet that procreates as fast as humans.

Bullet Magnet · #47 10-25-2006, 07:17 AM

There's that unpleasant bacteria Clostridium perfringens that causes gangrene. Given sufficient resources it can reproduce every nine minutes. In one day there would theoretically be more C. perfringens than there are protons in the universe.

Munch's Master · #48 10-25-2006, 11:03 AM

Getting back on topic, I'd say I'd liek to have children, but obviously not any-time soon as I am far too young. I'd like probably just 1 son to continue the family line yet not increase the population, as technically it isn't changing in size due to 2 parents/1 kid meaning it is halving in number. But if the over-population worries continue, I may change my mind and adopt instead.

Statikk HDM · #49 10-25-2006, 12:43 PM

Wouldn't a girl carry on the family line, too? What's with this son bias?

Facsimile · #50 10-25-2006, 08:52 PM

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It's deeper than what's better for the greater good. Do you think most parents make babies becasue they simply want more humans on this Earth? Child birth should be a matter of love, not duty. The reason people would rather have their own child so that their blood doesn't stop at them. So the person can have the wonderful experience of being a parent to their own flesh and blood. When you decide that adoption and balancing out every family is superior than raising your own family, it all becomes a system. And life isn't meant to be sorted out into a system.

I don't actually think there are any rules on why babies should be born. Do animals have them out of love? No, they do it because something in their brain forces them to. Just like us.

Well, not me.

The 'parent to their own flesh and blood' thing is just the same. Something they think they have to do, which logically makes no sense whatsoever.

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Wouldn't a girl carry on the family line, too? What's with this son bias?

Obviously he thinks if someone's last name changes they aren't in the same family anymore.

Havoc · #51 10-26-2006, 12:31 AM

If we are so highly inteligent we should be able to ignore that deep urge to put more fleshbags on this plot of earth. Or are we being selectively stupid, only allowing instinct to act where we want it to act?

Bullet Magnet · #52 10-26-2006, 02:12 AM

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Obviously he thinks if someone's last name changes they aren't in the same family anymore.

Perhaps he just wants a boy?

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If we are so highly inteligent we should be able to ignore that deep urge to put more fleshbags on this plot of earth. Or are we being selectively stupid, only allowing instinct to act where we want it to act?

No, we are total slaves to our instinct. We're just too dumb and arrogant to realise that that's not free will, it's hard-wiring.

Facsimile · #53 10-26-2006, 02:20 AM

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No, we are total slaves to our instinct. We're just too dumb and arrogant to realise that that's not free will, it's hard-wiring.

QFT. I'm glad someone else understands me.

Havoc · #54 10-26-2006, 03:00 AM

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No, we are total slaves to our instinct. We're just too dumb and arrogant to realise that that's not free will, it's hard-wiring.

Absolute truth!

Munch's Master · #55 10-27-2006, 02:26 AM

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Wouldn't a girl carry on the family line, too? What's with this son bias?

Well yes, but I myself would like a son. Also, many people have the general viewpoint that a girl always changes their name so as such the 'family name' as it were ends. This isn't always the case, obviously, but sometimes it does mean the end of the family name, especially if there's just 1 child. But by the same token 1 son might not have a child or marry etc. so the family name still ends. I'm not saying that that means the child is no longer part of the family, nor do I agree with such a viewpoint. I'm just saying some people are of that opinion.

Statikk HDM · #56 10-27-2006, 11:02 AM

Man, people proud of their family names, so much so they want a son to carry it on. Thats always struck me as bizarre.
Would I want a boy or a girl? Neither, both genders suck.

Bullet Magnet · #57 10-27-2006, 01:55 PM

What would you want then? A snail?

Patrick Vykkers · #58 10-27-2006, 01:58 PM

Personally, I don't see why some think human babies are cute. Chimp babies, crocodile babies, and dog babies are adorable, but human babies look like something out of a horror film.

rick the mudarcher · #59 10-27-2006, 02:18 PM

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Personally, I don't see why some think human babies are cute. Chimp babies, crocodile babies, and dog babies are adorable, but human babies look like something out of a horror film.

Finally someone besides me thinks that! Seriously though 4 year olds can be a bit cute but new borns are fricki'n ugly in my oppinion.

OANST · #60 10-27-2006, 02:29 PM

You're ugly. Right now. You are ugly at this exact moment. You repulsive turd.