RELIGION TOPIC (Fi-nal-ly) -

used:) · #**181** 02-19-2006, 01:06 PM

Woo, score one for Rexy.

EDIT: Christ, 7 pages already?

Abeguy · #**182** 02-19-2006, 03:34 PM

I did get away with my myself and got a well deserved slap in the face. I thank you.

Adder · #**183** 02-19-2006, 11:31 PM

I like the fact that this topic has been on topic for... I dunno, 1/3 of the posts?
And after such a "this'll never work" start! ^.-.^

Abeguy · #**184** 02-23-2006, 04:11 PM

CPR!!!
yeah, me too, I thought it'd be closed right off the bat for being a the kingdom of Spam-a-lot but I guess I was wrong

Back on topic.
NO RELIGION HATERS OR ATHEISTS!!!
what is it about religion that makes you keep it? For me, it keeps me on a healthy life style, sure I miss out on a lot of stuff that atheists and non religious people get to do, like pre marital sex and stuff like that, but even if I wasn't religious, I probably still wouldn't do it. but I don't know, cause I am. and it'll all come some day. it'll also all come to an end someday too

Rich · #**185** 02-24-2006, 12:54 AM

Actually, you should let atheists say why they choose that path. They can explain in a civilised way without becoming antitheists.

Atheism is freedom. All needed morals and necessary rules have been taken from religions and worked into society as ethics. You don't have to be religious to know that murder is bad. Your opinions and behaviour aren't controlled by your belief system so you are more open minded, having no real reason to hate anybody unless they do something bad.

The whole sex thing is good too and you don't have to view sex, masturbation or homosexuality as immoral.

Adder · #**186** 02-24-2006, 06:25 AM

Ugh, sorry to open a can of worms, but it seems science is agnostic and not atheist (I mean pure Science, and not "Scientology" or Scientists. Science itself leaves space for God, and even though it cannot prove God exists it cannot rule him out completely.)

Leto · #**187** 02-25-2006, 10:29 PM

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The whole sex thing is good too and you don't have to view sex, masturbation or homosexuality as immoral.

If masturbation is immoral in God's eyes, hell, most of us are Satanists.

Adder · #**188** 02-26-2006, 03:52 AM

It is immoral, but not terribly. And again, not worshiping God does not mean you're a satanist or even Evil.

The old testament says:

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When a man ejaculates semen he must wash his whole body with water, and will be unclean until evening. Any clothing of leather touched by the ejaculated semen must be washed and will be unclean until evening. Whenever a woman has intercourse with a man both of them must wash, and will be unclean until evening. Whenever a woman has her menstrual period, she will remain in a state of menstrual pollution for seven days. Anyone who touches her will be unclean until evening. Anyone who touches anything she sat on must wash clothing and body, and will be unclean until evening. If a man goes so far as to have intercourse with her he will contract her menstrual pollution, and will be unclean for seven days. Any bed he lies on will be unclean. When she becomes clean of her discharge, she shall count off seven days. After that, she will be clean. On the eighth day, she will take two doves or two young pigeons to the priest. The priest will offer one of them as a sacrifice for sin and the other as a burnt sacrifice. In this way he makes atonement for her before Yahweh for her unclean discharge. Such is the law for a man who ejaculates semen, a woman who menstruates, and a man who has intercourse with a woman when she is unclean.
Leviticus 15:16-19, 22, 24, 28-30, 32-33

Rich · #**189** 02-26-2006, 03:59 AM

Haha. I laugh at that. I'm sorry, but it's so fucking sexist and stupid. And hypocritical, I'm sure your loving, peaceful God wants you to go around killing doves just because you bled out of your vagina.

Leto · #**190** 02-26-2006, 01:14 PM

{This space is funny}

***Nate*** · #**191** 02-26-2006, 01:18 PM

Geez... I'm not even going to touch this one beyond saying that the concept of ritual uncleanliness in Judaism has nothing to do with physical, spiritual or moral uncleanliness and is so incredibly complicated that you'd have to study for years to understand the rules surrounding it, let alone the meaning behind the concept.

Oh, and the first sentence in that quote is referring to wet dreams. Masturbation is still considered a waste of seed.

Adder · #**192** 02-26-2006, 01:34 PM

Nate, can you back up the term "waste of seed" from the bible, please?

I know a lot of priests/bishops/{possibly Popes} are against masturbation but I don't know of any biblical reference.

***Nate*** · #**193** 02-26-2006, 01:36 PM

Sorry, those are my own words. I can't give an exact quote, I've merely heard it referred to that in the past in context of masturbation and contraceptives.

EDIT: Just got back from some googling. There is no real rule in the Old Testament regarding masturbation or contraception. What rules there are (known as the oral law*) comes mainly from the commandment to be fruitful and multiply (which is generally regarded as a commanment to Jews to have sex as often as possible and have fun with it at the same time).

(There's also the story of Onan, which I'm guessing someone will bring up, but his punishment was way complicated and nothing to do with his wasting of seed and everything to do with shirking fraternal duty)

*The oral law is a detailed explanation of the specifics of many of the bible laws that seem unclear when read literally.

used:) · #**194** 02-26-2006, 02:19 PM

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Apparently Christians don't like the menstrual cycle.

The 'BLoody Mary' episode of south park illustrated such a point.

So suck on dat biyatches.

The pope got mad about that actually. The creators of southpark promised never to show it again after the incident.

outlaw king · #**195** 02-26-2006, 06:11 PM

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The pope got mad about that actually. The creators of southpark promised never to show it again after the incident.

I didnt find that episode THAT funny . the blood spurt was pretty funny in its own simple , cheap laughing way.

used:) · #**196** 02-26-2006, 06:34 PM

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I didnt find that episode THAT funny . the blood spurt was pretty funny in its own simple , cheap laughing way.

I found hardly any parts of the entire season funny, yes it had its moments, but it didn't deliver like it used to. I think Southpark has finally run out of ideas.

outlaw king · #**197** 02-26-2006, 06:45 PM

I would have to agree with you entirley used . Happy tree friends is the show I like right now! ( the series about those cute little fuzzy animals , that get slaughtered in the most gruesome ways! )

Its such a crackup!

Leto · #**198** 02-26-2006, 07:43 PM

South Park is pooples. I refer you all to the quote that Used posted, from 'me'.

In reference to the extract that Adder posted, that just seems silly. The whole concept. If a woman has her period, she is 'dirty' for seven (always seven) days? If so, a woman is unclean roughly 50 days in a year.

The menstrual process is a naturally occuring one. Woman have periods. Is one deemed spiritualy unclean whence they deposit fecal in a turlet? I certainly hope not.

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It is immoral, but not terribly. And again, not worshiping God does not mean you're a satanist or even Evil.

Come on, take a joke. You know you want to. No one except you and me will know.

Adder · #**199** 02-26-2006, 11:46 PM

I can take jokes, but it's very hard to get tone accross in text. Please use the "not-quite-universal" sarchasm indicator.

It can change your life(!)

I don't know where maturbation actualy became wrong. Obviously Lust is biblicaly wrong (I hope. It's one of the Big 7), but I think masturbation is just derived as wrong. Contraceptive... well, if masturbation is considered wrong, then safe sex is just masturbtion with another person... technicaly.

Abeguy · #**200** 03-01-2006, 07:59 PM

its morally wrong for the buddhists, i think i saw that here. but I'm not sure about wrong, now, I don't do it just because its a kinda weird way to get turned on.

Leto · #**201** 03-01-2006, 08:05 PM

It's nothing about getting turned on from your hand, it's because little boys are horny as ****.

Jesus, not another sex thread.

Abeguy · #**202** 03-01-2006, 08:10 PM

lol, yeah, lets get off this topic.
for the religious people, what are your views on the 6 days of creation?
atheists and scientific people, don't touch this cause everyone knows most of you guys believe in...evolution. So don't touch this...

HAMMAH TIME!!!

Adder · #**203** 03-01-2006, 11:57 PM

Abeguy, it's not just evolution. Evolution does not explain how life started. The more you learn science the more you see it's agnostic. It doesn't rule out God completely.

I remember hearing that "7 days" was too literal a translation. If it is interpreted as "7 phases/periods" then it is strange that biologists have theorised 7 main stages in evolution.

...okay, it's probably just a coincidence. But with the whole of Everything, it's hard to be sure if it's not something less-than-random.

I'll admit, I believe in evolution... although I don't know why. I was just brought up with the idea of evolution being around and seemed to make more sence {or was just more convincing} than my Catholic teachings of God making everything.

Abeguy · #**204** 03-02-2006, 04:34 AM

well God did once say, "too me, a day is a thousand years, and a thousand years is a day" or something like that, which could make it 6 thousand years he made the earth, and 1000 years he rested.

We actually had that dicussion at my family's bible study. with the "periods" and "ages" and all that. But I guess we'll never know. Until the end. or "until" the scientists build that giant magellan telescope or later

Adder · #**205** 03-02-2006, 09:45 AM

^.-.^ Other religions and belief systems would just say "That means God's on the astral plane, where time doesn't count".

What is the purpose of the telescope? Viewing things now means you can only predict the past. You can't properly "see" it.

used:) · #**206** 03-02-2006, 11:24 AM

If zgod does exist, I am sure that with the whole creation of the universe in 7 days doesn't not mean 7 human days. God does not exist entirely in this world so his form of time is not the same as ours. 7 days probably means millions of years, with phases like the dinosaurs and ancient empires. I am guessing that human are just another stage in the process.

Abeguy · #**207** 03-02-2006, 01:18 PM

I don't extremely agree with that, but oh well. I can't say anything that'll make all of us agree, and if we did all agree, it would suck

Adder · #**208** 03-03-2006, 12:16 AM

Well, we should all agree that we don't actualy know for certain how the universe started. I've studied physics, and "the big bang" is actualy "The Big Bang Theory". Science is seldom certain about things. Religion... well, it says "this is why" after science says "this is how".

Leto · #**209** 03-03-2006, 01:16 PM

Has anyone ever considered that the universe never started, and was just always there?

I blame drugs for all the theories like 'The Big Bang' and such.

***Nate*** · #**210** 03-03-2006, 03:16 PM

I always find it funny that whenever I discuss creationism with pseudo-scientists the one question they ask is "If god created the universe, where did god come from?". Then I ask them what there was before the big bang and what caused it* and their heads explode in confusion. Try it sometime, it's highly entertaining.

*I think the current theory has been summed up by Terry Pratchett as "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded"