DOC! From Oddworld, Stranger's Wrath -

Dark Elite_H2 · #31 12-22-2005, 02:33 AM

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The two vykers died in the explosion, they were standing right next to 1200 pounds of damn dynamite, and you could see the explosion come out trough the roof. Vyker's can't regenerate, so after an explosion like that there was absolutely nothing left of them.

Well said, Havoc.

Cullen Heath · #32 12-22-2005, 07:57 AM

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I dunno exactly how long. That's Xav and Max's department :P. But even with that, that doesn't mean the re-model all the characters. You don't seriously think they remodeld Abe for AE did you? Nah, they enhanced the existing model a bit (I'm suspecting they did re-model Abe for MO tho).
When working with 3D, re-using models is both time saving and money saving, and no-one will even realy notice. All the grubs use the exact same model, I doubt they model every single grubb in the movie seperately :P.

The two vykers died in the explosion, they were standing right next to 1200 pounds of damn dynamite, and you could see the explosion come out trough the roof. Vyker's can't regenerate, so after an explosion like that there was absolutely nothing left of them.

I think that they used 2 different models for the Grubbs.
1 for the Queen and 1 for the rest. Cause if you look at the Queen closely she kinda has a different head shape (besides the giant head wear)

***Wil*** · #33 12-22-2005, 09:37 AM

She's not a queen, she's their spiritual and resistance leader.

Cullen Heath · #34 12-22-2005, 09:52 AM

It says in the game that she is their queen.

***Wil*** · #35 12-22-2005, 11:45 AM

No it doesn't. Stranger asks her if she's their leader, and she replies that she's merely guiding the Grubbs spiritually (and leading the resistence, obviously).

Cullen Heath · #36 12-22-2005, 11:47 AM

OH MY! It says IN THE GAME.
One of the grubbs says : Oh you should go see our Queen, man!
Or something like that.

metroixer · #37 12-22-2005, 12:17 PM

It's probably not that kind of queen. Just a leader like queen not a queen that reproduces the grubbs. She would be a lot fatter

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***Wil*** · #38 12-22-2005, 12:53 PM

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OH MY! It says IN THE GAME.
One of the grubbs says : Oh you should go see our Queen, man!

I've transcribed every word of Stranger's Wrath, the Grubbs always refer to the leader as their leader. If you can actually pinpoint the location and situation it's said, I'd actually appreciate it so I can add to the databanks.

Cullen Heath · #39 12-22-2005, 12:54 PM

I never said she was THAT KIND of queen

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Nepharski · #40 12-22-2005, 12:58 PM

Personally, I don't think every single Vykker on oddworld is related with Vykkers Labs. He could be a rouge doc for all we know. What we do know, however, is that Vykkers are sadists first, buisnessmen second, so he probably saw an opportunity out in the wild Mundos west to not only inflict pain for "Medical purposes," put to charge outragous prices at the same time (He seems to pretty much be the only doc around).

Still, that's on to say he doesn't have a past at VL. If you look in his back room while he's talking to the Stranger, you can see the same padded walls that line VL.

Cullen Heath · #41 12-22-2005, 01:05 PM

Yes, I noticed that.
Infact that was one of the reasons why Im so curious.

***Xavier*** · #42 12-24-2005, 08:26 AM

I still stay with my theory of The Conglomerate to send Vykkers all over Mudos...
seems closer to the way Vykkers acts

on the other hand it seems to be his buisness he has to run.
"if you don't mind... I have a buisness to run..."

So I don't realy know

Cullen Heath · #43 12-24-2005, 10:29 AM

Well if you're so positive, how do you think they would do it?

Would Humphrey and Irwin send the rest of the Vykkers around Oddworld?

***Xavier*** · #44 12-24-2005, 11:14 AM

Humphrey and Irwin aren't the bosses of the whole Conglomerate they are only heads of VykkersLab...

and honestly I don't have a clue who is the boss behind all this organisation

Cullen Heath · #45 12-24-2005, 11:59 AM

I NEVER said they were the bosses.
I think they have the right to remove a cirtain Vykker, though.

***Nate*** · #46 12-24-2005, 07:08 PM

I really don't think that he's been sent by the conglomerate. After all, the other vykkers we've seen have enjoyed a certain amount of opulence in their workplaces (IMO Vykker's Labs is one of the most beautiful constructions we've seen so far on Oddworld). Doc's offices are rather dingy in comparison, even taking into account the Wild West theme.

I maintain he's going solo, possibly escaping some problems further east.

Cullen Heath · #47 12-24-2005, 07:17 PM

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I really don't think that he's been sent by the conglomerate. After all, the other vykkers we've seen have enjoyed a certain amount of opulence in their workplaces (IMO Vykker's Labs is one of the most beautiful constructions we've seen so far on Oddworld). Doc's offices are rather dingy in comparison, even taking into account the Wild West theme.

I maintain he's going solo, possibly escaping some problems further east.

Yup, that what I was thinking.
I think if Vykker's Labs would have sent him, he would have had a nicer place.

***Xavier*** · #48 12-25-2005, 12:04 AM

Cullen you have to understand that the VykkersLabs do not represent the whole Conglomerate...

but I have to admit it's more likely he's there because his own will.
(even if I still have that gutt feeling he has been send)

***Nate*** · #49 12-25-2005, 12:24 AM

I still think that even the conglomerate would have sent him with a few more creature comforts.

Cullen Heath · #50 12-25-2005, 05:00 AM

^yeah, thats still something to consider, he would have had about 4 more Vykkers with him.

***Xavier*** · #51 12-25-2005, 07:42 AM

look at me doing a theory:

the back of his buisness could be more equiped as it seems to have the same wall panels as in VykkersLabs. and the fact it isn't as super scientistic equiped in the entrance is probably to not afraid the simple minded Clakkerz. Making them feel more "home".

Imagine the face of a townsfolk is he's directly confronted to some complicated scientific devieces and a place as VykkersLabs?

Venks · #52 12-25-2005, 09:19 AM

Vykker resemblence- they are "Hermaphroditic self-impregnating masters of weird science" thus they all look the same due to constantly reusing the same DNA.
Also they are not completly the same take a single species of cat for example, to me all cats with orange fur look the same, but their is in fact subtle diffrences, if I really got to know these cats in time I would see diffrences.

Stranger's thoughts about Sekto- In that point in the game it was easy to tell Stranger didn't want anyone knowing about him, if he was intrested in working for him he would of actually tried looking for a Steef, do you remember Stranger kept saying he needed the operation for his life? Its becuase he had a huge bounty on his head becuase of Sekto, so of course he wanted to kill him.

Why Doc was by himself- This is merely my theory unlike the facts posted above but I believe this takes place after MO, sense Vykker's lab was blown up Vykkers would have to find other ways to make money resulting in Doc living all the way out here.

Dark Elite_H2 · #53 12-25-2005, 09:57 AM

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Why Doc was by himself- This is merely my theory unlike the facts posted above but I believe this takes place after MO, sense Vykker's lab was blown up Vykkers would have to find other ways to make money resulting in Doc living all the way out here.

Tha-a-at's right! Vykkers'll do ANYTHING-even becoming a hitman-to get some moolah in their greedy claws.
Like how Humphrey decided to put sonar in Munch's head. (It was, somehow, stupid to put sonar in a Gabbit's head)

***Xavier*** · #54 12-25-2005, 10:04 AM

Vykkers are not greedy... they are just sadists...

Dark Elite_H2 · #55 12-25-2005, 10:16 AM

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sadists...

Ok. I don't mean to sound like a total blonde, and I've heard this word everywhere among the forums.
What is a sadist?

metroixer · #56 12-25-2005, 10:47 AM

People who love torturing or killing other people.

Dark Elite_H2 · #57 12-25-2005, 12:26 PM

Oh wow...

So THAT'S why people call me that...

Nepharski · #58 12-25-2005, 05:26 PM

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People who love torturing or killing other people.

Well, it's not exactly like that.

Sadism could be roughly described as when a person recieves a pleasurable, perhaps even intoxicating, experiance from inducing pain or horrible circumstances upon other people or creatures. What kind of pleasure? A sadist would usually rank this pleasure as about equal, if not "Better than," the pleasure of sex.

Cullen Heath · #59 12-25-2005, 09:27 PM

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Oh wow...

So THAT'S why people call me that...

Im starting to worry about you.

I dont really think Vykkers seem to sadistic, just corrupt.

***Nate*** · #60 12-25-2005, 10:29 PM

Yeah, I have to admit I didn't really get a 'sadist' vibe from them so much as that they are completely and utterly non-empathetic. So they'll do whatever they want and not care at all what harm they cause to others to acheive their aims.