Stranger, Evil?

[Fuzzle Guy]

If a Mod wishes to move this to the spoiler forum, then please feel free to do so, but I do not think that this contains any unkown eliments of the game. But if you are worried about finding little things out about the game: LOOK AWAY NOW

Stranger, is the good guy in our and the Clakkers opinion, but is he realy as much of a hero as we think he is?
For:

• Stranger catches Bounties for money, and saves the Clakkers from hell by bountying them.
• Stranger helps the natives throughout the game.

Against:

• Strangers Doc, is a Vykker, and this Vykker most probably gets his medicines ect. from Vykkers Labs. What do Vykkers Test on?
• Stranger is on the team of Clakkers, and Clakkers use Industrialised materials to live a normal life.
• If you feel like it, Stranger can beat the hell out of the Clakkers, which makes him evil to the Clakkers
• He uses BoomBats as Live ammo to keep himself alive, but surely, when the BoomBats blow up, the bats must die too...

What do you think...

[Xavier]

then you are evil too...


anyway what evil?

[Fuzzle Guy]

I am not sure if he is bad? Afterall he is good in the eyes of the Clakkers and us, but using industrial civilization, this makes them bad to the characters we loved in the previous games: Abe Munch.

[T-nex]

NOTE: If you don't want do get one bit spoiled of the game... then don't read...

But the clakkers betrayed him when they found out that he was a steef. So he kinda changed his mind, no?

[Cyber-Slig]

It's called survival FG. He uses boombats as bombs, we use dead animals as fertilizers, whats the difference? And how do we get our medicine? Animal testing. Do you think that some guy, will volunteer to have a new medicine tested on him? And clakkerz need machinery to survive. They do not use it for evil, for without the technology, they would die. They cannot swim, therefore fishing is a big nono, so why bother with fishing, when you can pick up fish in a net, when on a boat? What would you rather protected you from outlaws? A wooden tower and a few tiny walls, or a big, thick steel, wall? And yes, we would be evil. Technically, there is no ''good'', in Oddworld, if being evil is what you've listed. Grubbs catch fish, killing an animal isn't it? Live ammo, eats Wolvarks, that's killing too.

[Fuzzle Guy]

My Family does not use medicines that have been animal tested, we don't use animals as fertilises

[Oddish]

It's the Quarmer meter your looking for, and there isn't realy a side of good, evil, ect. It's what they do that counts.

[Cyber-Slig]

There is no more things as spoilers right now, FG, the game has been out for a week. Enough time to complete it. It's like telling people the end of Munch's oddysee, and then saying, ''That's a spoiler!!'', because some people don't have X-Boxes, or the game. In other words, there is no spoilers, till the next Oddworld.

[Dipstikk]

There is no more things as spoilers right now, FG, the game has been out for a week. Enough time to complete it. It's like telling people the end of Munch's oddysee, and then saying, ''That's a spoiler!!'', because some people don't have X-Boxes, or the game. In other words, there is no spoilers, till the next Oddworld.

THANK YOU. Yes. Finally, we can put an end to all of the "Omg u sedd a spoilr u meenee i kil u!!!!!11one" posts. If anyone complains about it from now on, I will personally tell them to shut up and go buy the game because it's available.

Thank you, Alpha. I was getting tired of those "omg spoiler" responses.

[Fuzzle Guy]

First of All Dipstikk, that was Cyber-Slig, not Alpha, secondly, I have the game, but I also have a life, and do not sit there 24/7 infront of an Xbox, unlike Mindless 12 year olds with 935 posts with really gay sigs.

[Xavier]

Cyber-Slig and Dipstikk, only admins and mod will decide when the Stranger will be old enough to be "spoiler free" but now you still have to post spoilers in the spoiler forums.

[Fuzzle Guy]

Now lets get back on topic

[Cyber-Slig]

Thanks Dipstikk, but no, I am not Alpha, nor has he mind-controlled me and made me post.

Secondly, Fuzzle Guy, I am 12, not 13, and if I was mindless, I would be in a mental hospital, not infront of a computer. Also, I have 936 posts now. And, if I played an Xbox 24/7, I would be dead of hunger and tiredness. And don't call my sig gay, if you don't have one. A red box fuzzle guy, wow, best sig ever! Also, you spelled forest wrong. If anyone is mindless, it is you, ''Buddy Lists and Post counts threads, W0wzorrrs!!!!!!!!'', not to mention ''Wow everybody! Look at me! I made a film which features a DJ and some other loser! Everybody cares!'' .

[Dipstikk]

First of All Dipstikk, that was Cyber-Slig, not Alpha, secondly, I have the game, but I also have a life, and do not sit there 24/7 infront of an Xbox, unlike Mindless 13 year olds with 935 posts with really gay sigs

Woah, someone's wearing their big pants today. First of all, Ferril, I mistook CyberSlig for Alpha. So sue me, I'm tired. (the "Ferril" thing was a joke.)

Secondly, I don't know what you're crying about. You have the game. People have said that Stranger was a Steef. It's out in the open. Play through the game. I don't care how far people are in the game, this bawling about spoilers being posted needs to stop because it's shipped to it's destinations. It's time to stop walking around..on or eggshells (whatever the expression is) and be able to talk freely about the game.

Now if the mods have a problem with T-Nex's post, they can move yet another topic to the spoiler forum, or they could leave it here. I don't know, not my depatrment. But I agree with CyberBuddy 3000, crying about spoilers being posted is like if someone posts about the end of MO and people whine because they don't have it or an x-box.

You have to admit, reading "OMFG U MEENIE SPOILRZ" is reeeeeally annoying.

Okay? Okay. I've made my point, now go on with the origonal topic, please.

EDIT
Okay, so the Mods got here first. I stated my opinion, now let's go on.

[Angalok]

What a lovely discussion we've got going here! So very adult.

As for the actual topic, I would say that the Stranger is good by his own definition. If you read the instruction manual's prologue, it states that the Stranger has always captured Outlaws for his own personal satisfaction, and only focused on the Moolah when he needed it for the impending operation. He defends the Clakkers and the Grubbs alike from violent forces, and I'd say defending the weak has always been a staple of goodness. He's a vigilante; he has his own sense of right and wrong, and disregards the government-imposed ones. Perhaps he's more focused on protecting number one than some heroes, but he still does the right thing when it comes down to it.

As for whether using the live ammo is evil, it was my impression that the critters willingly allowed themselves to be used as ammo. Sure they get zapped and captured at the beginning, but those Boombats could always fly off the top of the crossbow and escape, no? I think the Stranger has kind of a zen relationship with nature and can communicate with the live ammo. The Boombats are naturally explosive due to their diet, so I'm sure their livespan was about up as it is. After all, the instruction book states that the Riot Slugs give their lives willingly, and I'm sure that applies for the Boombats as well.

As for whether using animal tested products makes you inherently evil, I'd say that's a bit of a stretch. I mean, you can try to avoid those products whenever possible, but I dare say it's impossible to be good by that definition in today's market. As for the Stranger, I doubt he knows what they do at Vykker Labs, he's never been there and I don't think they advertise their sadism. He just saw a sign that said Doc's Office, and he needs an operation; what choice did he have?

[Software Bug]

stranger is good,
he decides to help the grubs and let the clakkerz (look clakker when dam breaked through)

[T-nex]

Umm, please don't start a flame-war ... I'll go edit the post, incase that anyone else flips out about a spoiler.

Sorry, but i didn't realize i was posting a spoiler.

[Fuzzle Guy]

Umm, please don't start a flame-war ... I'll go edit the post, incase that anyone else flips out about a spiler.

Don't worry T-Nex, this by no means your fault, it's that Crapper-Sligs fault.

''Wow everybody! Look at me! I made a film which features a DJ and some other loser! Everybody cares!'' .

The Dog Crap on my shoe must have been reading posts almost a year old.

[Cyber-Slig]

OK, FG, you want another enemy, you got one. I'll continue this in PM. But so this isn't spam, Angalok may have a point, the Live Ammo does give it's life up willingly, c'mon why don't they just jump off the crossbow if they don't wan't fired?

[Xavier]

Some official source their live-span was realy short anyway, and they were glad to help out...

giving a meaning to their life, that should be concidered as a good aspect, no?

oh yeah BTW: anymore flame or things like that in this thread and it will be closed, I'm tired of this.

[Dipstikk]

I appoligise for fuling the fires of war.
On the topic. What about Stranger's joy in capturing these bounties? On the other side of the coin, he seems to enjoy fighting for good.
The word "evil" is a very loose term and veries from person to person. All I'm saying is that Abe's ideals of "evil" might differ from Stranger's. The Glukkons and Outlaws might see Abe and Stranger as "evil" as well, seeing as how they're trying to shut them down.

[Cyber-Slig]

I've stopped, so basically they are like Hamsters, dying early? Makes sense, but aren't most of them too stupid to know that they'll be fired from a crossbow? Only the Chippunk talks, and even it, doesn't plead for it's life. And I don't think they all die. For example, Stingbees stay on the creature, so they will only be trapped on them. And fuzzles, chew at the enemy, they don't die in anyway. Thudslugs hard exterior, would keep them alive, so really, the only ammo that does die, is boombats.

[Xavier]

yep and the boobats explode anyway in the nature... because of all the sulfur they ate.
so you simply use them, they are glad to help... like I said

and evil is such a vague term, remember Abe is evil, he is a terrorist
at least that's what the glukkons think

[Cyber-Slig]

and evil is such a vague term, remember Abe is evil, he is a terrorist
at least that's what the glukkons think

Actually, Abe would be the most evil creature ever, it's only what he fights for that makes him good. Possessing a creature, would be terrifying, and embarressing for it, it turns on it's former allies, then it knows, what's at the end of the road. It goes boom. They know, they're already dead after possession.

[Havoc]

Minor Spoilers Ahead!!

I don't think Stranger is either good OR evil. He's a selfish persone only doing stuff for his own needs. He hunts bounty's to get money for HIS operation. He leaves the clakkers alone cuz without them HE couldn't get bounty's for moolah. He helps the natives defend their villages becouse HE needs them to help HIM fight Sekto and fix his boat. He goes to fight Sekto becouse if he doesn't Sekto will hunt him down, so that also is in his own interest.
Its becouse the outlaws want revenge on Stranger for capturing that first guy that they hate him so much. Otherwise, they might just offer him money to do their dirty work in the first place and he would gladly accept it. So my view: Stranger is a selfish persone, nor good, nor evil.

[Oddish]

Yeah, he doing that for the good, to let the mudokons be free.

[Abe16]

stranger is good,
he decides to help the grubs and let the clakkerz

Stranger doesn't help the clakkers, I think... He bags the bounties for moolah.

[Nepharski]

Stranger is good or evil, depending on how the player decides to accomplish the game.

Why, you can be a bona-fide boy scout:
-Bring 'em in alive.
-Clackerz have feelings too!
-...And money, which is rightfully theirs.

Or an insideous puppy kicker:
-Did someone say, "Meat grinders?"
-Clackerz make great airbags.
-Why yes officer, I do have my security guard impersonator license.

[Abe16]

yeah, except that either you play evil or good the games end the same. no like AO AE and MO.

[Niteowl]

Those boombats seem awfully eager..
Heheheheheh.,Yyyeeeeesss!

One thing that made me pause was when one of the wolvarks yelled; "Tell my wife I love her!"