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12-19-2010, 01:17 PM
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I don't feel I need to continue because the argument will keep running in circles, it's a shame you want me to continue just to see me crash and burn as well.
I have only, as always, parried blows. I haven't even begun to deal my own.

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I don't think BM won the debate personally in the sense that to win a debate you must show your opponent that they are wrong and then the opponent should see it the victors way.
It has always been too much to ask that one side of a debate will be convinced by the other, unless the issue is a purely scientific one had between scientists (where it happens all the time). When the topic is religion, only by embarking on that journey yourself will your mind be changed, and in debates those people are in the audience sitting with rapt attention. In a formal debate the proposer and opposer of a motion are expected to be well educated and therefore already know the other side's position, it is the audience who are being convinced, shown by before and after votes. The swing decides the victor, not the numbers. That is not the case here, and I don't suppose there is anyone for me to convince, let alone that I have. Particularly since "the audience" are also participants. I can but put it to our peers: who has presented the most compelling argument, regardless of their views?

As it is, I would be happy only to shake your confidence in the arguments you have presented. If it does nothing but to force you to seek and understand better arguments for your position, well, that's progress of a kind, and I take that as a victory.

I could not possibly convince you of anything here. I can't prove a negative! But I am confident in being able to argue against most any argument, among other things. I know of atheists who look at religion, particularly Christianity, and wish it were true, wish that they could possibly believe it. I do not count myself among them, and I think I can make a very could case explaining why.

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Don't be insulted, it is the truth, there are three real religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, of course I'm not going to say Hinduism is the one true religion because to me it's bloody well not, of course I imply that the true religions are the ones with my God stated as the divine being. No matter what I go through I will never accept that there is no God, there is a God, there will always be a God, my God, arrogant, egocentric, I don't care, when would a Zoroastrian for example ever admit that their god is not true.
Baseless assertion! You are correct, though, in saying that a religious person will never admit that their faith is wrong. By the time they have been convinced of that, they are faithless. A state that I wholly recommend, by the way.

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Ok, you really answered your first question with your second one, I don't care if I offend other faiths that much over the internet at least because I generally believe my religion or at least the religions that believe in my God are the only religions for obvious reasons.
Please share these reasons. As I plan to tell my children: they are free to believe whatever they will, but I expect that anything that will persuade my children of the truth of their religion will also be able to persuade me.
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