An argument about music and Art and Justin Bieber's body double
 

MOD EDIT: This thread up until this post was split off from Bits & Pieces after this post.

I changed my mind.

Dammit, I missed it.

It was probably something very shameful. Did anybody notice this?

I bet it was a Bieber song or something.

Shut up, his latest album is good I wouldn't be ashamed by that. You know what I'm actually going to post a song off it here.

Shaaame

I actually sat down and watched that entire music video.

And you know what...



I now want to kill myself.

At 1:03 when that kid (don't think he was Bieber?) jumps off that small hill, the scene changes before he lands. I bet he fucking wipes out

I hope Bieber jumps off a hill

ITT: people who are thirteen

*continued: listen to Justin Bieber.

That video was super pretty. I'd be jealous of Bieber for getting to visit those places if I actually thought it was him in any of those shots.

Justin Bieber has definitely found a new sound with his latest music, quite similar to the likes of Travi$ Scott. Still not too into his music, but I don't mind his newer tracks like Where Are You Now or Sorry.

Where Are You Now is a great song and I actually have it in my playlist. Hating Justin Bieber was popular like five years ago and you should just grow up.

It's soulless music by committee. I don't hate Justin Bieber. I just don't listen to soulless music made by committees.

What about Soul music made by committee?

Well, that's different.

So edgy

That's.....not edgy. Like, at all. That's just not having bad taste in music....

Nah brah it's pretty edgy to say
Like dang who made you the authority, chill out with other's music.

She's still young. I listened to shitty music when I was 12-14 too.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not. If you are, let me say this. It's not her music. It's not even Justin Bieber's music. It was music written by a committee for him to sing over.

Haha the sounds I like are different and thus better than the sounds you like.

You should all shut up and listen to avant gardë industrial military pop rock

You guys can't honestly tell me that you consider pop music (music written as a salable product being presented by a salesman (artist)) to be in the same ballpark as music written by musicians who write music because they love sound, can you? I'm not trying to come off really strong on this because honestly, to me, it isn't art, and therefor doesn't even enter the conversation in a meaningful enough way to either hate or love it. I hate Disturbed. I don't care at all about Justin Bieber.

Actually, indie pop and synthpop are some of my favourite genres. So yes, I do consider pop music to be in the same ballpark as music written by musicians who love music because it's the sound that matters, not the intent.

Modern pop and good music are like fast food and food in a fine restaurant. You can like fast food, but that doesn't make fast food a good food, made with care by the talented people who love making food.

Oh, so old pop is somehow magically better? Also are you saying Skrillex, who produced most of the songs on Bieber's album, is not talented and doesn't like making music?

What is good music to you? Dadrock and death metal?

Oh and Varrok, I doubt you're that much older than me. In fact, looking at your profile, I can see you're 22. That's three years.

Most of death metal suck, though for different reasons.

Some "dadrock" bands are amazing. Like Electric Light Orchestra, Beatles and many others. Queen were especially awesome, with complex songwriting, great use of music theory, incredible vocal, guitar, drum and bass perfomances, catchiness and the passion. Oh the passion.

I couldn't disagree more. Intent is so much more important than the sound to me.

But I didn't *mean* to make you dissagree with me.

How's about that!

That's called being a pretentious hipster.

That's what le edgy 14 year olds in the YouTube comments keep saying. It's all bullshit.

Why?

The best way to respond to an argument is call the poster edgy and pretentious

Yes, and I'm dying to hear an explanation.

Because intent literally has no effect on the quality of the music? If it sounds good it's good. If it sounds bad it's bad, no matter how much soul and passion has been put into it.

Also you seem to believe I listen to Justin Bieber because I linked to that one video?

If you said you don't like a certain type of music because of your tastes then it would be OK. But saying stuff like "I don't like it because it's soulless" is a stupid excuse.

It has a huge effect, especially on vocals. There are many vocalists who, while technically hitting all the notes perfectly, sound more bland and uninspired than others.

It heavily affects songwriting as well, that's why there are so many 4 chords famous pop songs that sound basically the same. It's because as they were writing them, they based them off a certain formula, that proved to be successful before. There was little to no creativity in them at all

There are two ways to look at music, both completely valid. Music as art. Music as entertainment. Your philosophy falls squarely in the second. Does that mean that you have bad taste? Yes. Yes, it does. But you're entitled to enjoy your bad taste!

Bad taste literally does not exist. Because taste is 100% subjective. But if you can do that I can just say you have bad taste in music because I don't like what you like.

Only people with bad taste say there is no bad taste.

Bad taste exists because bad music exists.

Need proof?

But don't say I didn't warn ya.

OK that is objectively bad taste.