Faith
 

Hello here I want to discuss faith (also included atheism and agnostiscism)
I am a christian but i don´t belive in the trinity dogma, but i am not a Jehovas Witness!!! or symphatise totally with them, i am more to the faith of www.truthortradition.com and www.geocities.com/athens/olympus/5257/ and one of those things in the watch tower i think are wrong, is that the 1000 year kingdom of Jesus Christ began in 1914.

But don´t attack each others faith!!!! we need respect for each others faith!!!, just look on the islamophobia and the attack on jewish people!!!!, I also maked this topic for creating respect for each others faith!!!.

Hope that this topic will be good:
Primus Inter Pares.

A recent revelation I had about faith is that any religion involving spirituality or enlightenment or whatnot are all just different interpretations of the same thing. For example, if somebody "sees God" (Christian) in a person, that's the same as experiencing any other diety or sort of spiritual breakthrough.

I like these threads, but it won't end well. They never do.

By the way, I find these two statements ironic when juxtaposed:

Granted, nobody here is likely a witch doctor, but still, doesn't seem too respectful. :)

Um.. any other type of Christian other than Catholicism is Protestant, and I don't really know why you put "My type of Christianity"... I'm not orthodox but I'm certainly not what you are. I guess I'll just have to choose the equally broad term of Protestant.

I've expressed my religious beliefs many, many times on the forums, so to make it brief: My Christian beliefs are strong but I show tolerance and open-mindedness to those of other beliefs. Huzzah.

(Hey, who removed my post! :()

I'm athiest...

My whole family is Orthodox Christian.

The uga buga thing was just maked for fun, i don´t hope it will make the same things like the Muhammed drawings.

Protestant include: Lutherism, Calvinism and Church of England (if you know some more just write it here on this topic).

I put my type of christianity on the poll, for seeing, if there is others that symphathise with my faith, on what i have written.

You posted this thread twice.

I voted Satanism.

I don't know what's out there. Maybe, one day I'll find out but so far I find most religions to be bizarre and unbelievable. I do not consider myself to be an agnostic although that is probably what I'm closest to. The only reason that I refuse to say I'm that is the fact that I refuse to say I'm anything. I don't join clubs or organizations or subscribe to anyones ideals. I just am. And that's good enough for me.

Well said, Oanst.

I think we should clsoe this thread and go to the other one. Mainly just becasue the "uga buga" could be considered offensive by some.

Atheism, everything else is untenable.

Atheism is untenable. You can't prove that god doesn't exist and anyone who claims they can is a fool.

I'm an existentialist. There is no up, no down, etc... I live a life of tedium and disappointment. And this is good.

But again, you like Madonna. If that doesn't create tedium and disappointment then I don't know what does. Just saying that one simple act could brighten your entire existence. BURN EVERYTHING MADONNA!

"Mainly just becasue the "uga buga" could be considered offensive by some"

Then let them speak up.

I'm a Catholic. Yay for Catholicism and all their guilt-ridden emotions. Yay i say!

Every form of religion, pro or con, is untenable. Religious people can't prove he does exist, non religious people can't prove he doesn't. Simple as that.

Catholic. WTF at the devil worshippers voting.

Have respect for other people's faith, Patrick.

Oooooo, buuuuuuuuurn.

I'm Orthodox Christian, but I do not belive that god exist, but also I can't prove that. I think that people "made up" faiths just because they couldn't explain some stuff in nature (lighting, rain, snow etc.) and it's much easier to say that there is a god who control all of that. Did we had anyting good from faith? Just a milion kiled people. But there is a good side of faith. People like to belive in someting. To think if they done someting good, god will do the same that to them...

I hope that you can understand what I have just typed up there

I understand every letter of it and completely agree. Religion is almost like an excuse for some people to not face the real world, and not face real problems and puzzles they can not understand.
Having a god explains those things that our mind can not comprehend, such as the creation of life and the endlessness of the universe.

I consider myself an athiest, because I don't believe in a god. I believe in the possibility of some kind of ‘power’ that could vastly exceed humanity's, but I'd be unwilling to call it a god. I'm sure Stargate: SG-1 explains it best.

Yes i know it, you can see the explanation on the other faith topic without a poll.

Yes now i see it was wrong of me to do that uga buga thing, but i still want a faith topic with a poll, so maybe both faith topics could be closed, and sent to necrum, and then i will make a third, with the same text, but instead of "some sort of uga buga african religion (voodoo with more)", i will make it like this: "african religion including voodoo".

I'm Jewish but not a particularly good one. When I do jewish stuff, I go for the orthodox persuasion but I really only do it when I feel like it.

As for whether I believe in god, I'd say that at the moment I don't but that opinion changes fairly regularly.

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I do not see why. (maybe the seccond one, but not this one) This is a great topic. Well that "uga buga" thing is not good reason for closing the thread, and we have really good posts here (and i'm to lazy to type mine again)

We have had bad experiences with religion related topics. It always ends in a major flamewar between religious and non religious people. Maybe this time will be diffrent, but I have no reason to suspect it will be.

well, till then this topic should be open

"I'm a scientologist, cause everyone knows we're all immortal, spiritual beings."

God, my chest hurts..

You and OANST are basically defining agnosticism, so in a way, you could say that agnosticism is a tenable position. :p

I'm a deist, and apparently have been for a very long time, even before I first learned about the tenets of deism. The philosophy of deism doesn't fit my beliefs perfectly, but it certainly suits me better than any of the warring sects of Christianity.

I... guess that classifies as "My type of Christianity." (Amber, I think Primus means your own "personal" Christian beliefs, not necessarily the ones that he believes.)

I don't even know what that term means. Please explain! And whats deist, actualy?

How are you differenticating "Orthodox" from "Protestant" and "Catholic"? Orthodox "... is typically used to refer to the correct theological or doctrinal observance of religion, as determined by some overseeing body." Both Catholisim and Protestism can be seen as Orthodox.

So is Science. It's a way of guessing what's going on and then trying to prove it. Quantum mechanics, Big Bang theory, String theory, M theory, Holographic Universe, Chaos theory... I could go on. Science can complement {and attack} most religious ideas, but it certainly doesn't remove the need for Belief. You either have to trust science, or trust whichever book you consider "The Good Book"

With ortodox christianity i mean greek-catholic, with patriarchs as leaders in Moscow or St. Petersburg, Istanbul (which was the head city of the greek-catholic faith under the byzant time), and Jerusalem.

With the term "my type of christianity" i mean that type of christianity that i have according to the first post, but i think i will make it like Sea Rex said: "your own personal christian beliefs", but if some of you have the same beliefs as me, so post please, thank you.

Deism is a type of religion, when you belive that a supreme being are in all, and all are in the being, so the deist beliefs, that we all are a part of a devine being, and we are all like one, also all the dead things, so it will not wonder me if the deists are very peaceful, because who will do any harm to anyone if that anyone and you are one.

Its not for me to prove God doesn't exist, its on believers to prove it to ME. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If I say you were abducted by aliens in the name of extraterrestial science is it up to you to prove you weren't?

Opus Dei perhaps? Masochists.

The diffrence between religion and science is that science is actualy trying to figure out how everything works and that when they discover something new they come out and say: You know what, we were wrong before, this is how we think it is now.
I never heard the church say anything remotely like that.

Ofcourse things that happened 16 million years ago can't ever be accurate since no-one was there to confirm what happened. But science is based mostly on facts, while religion is pure believe without actualy being able to support an inch of your theory.
The big bang for instance, can't be fully proven, but there are bits and pieces that point out that something to that effect must have taken place. While the Adam and Eva story for example, can't be supported by anything but a book.
But the entire point to my remark was this: Religion is like an excuse because if you are to ask a religious person why his 17 year old brother bought a gun, messed around with it and got himself killed with it, he will probably answer something along the lines off: It was gods will. And that in my opinion is hiding from the fact that his brother was a f*cking moron who managed to shoot himself. Unless ofcourse, god wants all of us to shoot ourselfs in the head with a twin barrel shotgun.

Noone here is trying to prove that god exists to you. Especially not me since I find it highly unlikely that he does. My point is that you claim that atheism is logical. It isn't. One of the first rules of logic is that you can't prove a negative. You can't prove something doesn't exist. You stated that god doesn't exist so the burden of proof is on you. If you had said that the idea of god seems farfetched then that would be a different story. The burden of proof would be on the other person. But you took a solid stance and now you are going to have to back it up or change it.

Because I can't say it better than Carrier, here is Carrier:
Proving a Negative
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...er/theory.html

I've read that. And it doesn't come anywhere near doing what it says it does. You have to already buy that garbage for it to make sense.

I want to complete my post from page 2 with some facts:
When my people (serbs) was under comunisam (Josip tito, after WW2 till '80), none weren't even talking about god or faith (i'm not supporting comunisam or Tito, but we had peace then). But after 1990., when we where under embargo (i'm not sure that you have this word, but i'll try) and war in Bosna, and et the end of '90 we had bombarding too (so ****EN decade), everyone where going to curch (spelling) to pray for themselfes.
What did I want to say with all this? Faith is good. People was looking for help in god when times where bad. I do not think that god helped them, but unless they had hope... and that, I think, shold be poent of faith.

(now, I think, you can see why I freaked out when Mutual F sad that in you know what thread)

Nope. Still can't see that.