Abeguy, you've got that idea of "soul in a computer" wrong. The idea was that a computer would read every part of your mind at the same time, or absorbe all the information from your mind. Then your conscience would be in the computer. It would be another copy of you (like a photocopy). Even after the origional is gone/dead, the photocopy would remain. You're conscience is still thinking from inside a computer, but you {physical you} have died.

There was a question a friend (well... maybe just someone) asked that went "If you kept upgrading your body with machinery, when would you stop living? Assume that every part of your body could be replaced."
It all boils down to the definition of Life. You would no longer be alive if you were all machinery (by biological definition), but your mind would not cease to exist.

Which begs the question of whether consciousness is caused by having a soul...

I can't tell if you're kidding here but he meant 'born again' in terms of coming back to your faith and starting life anew.

RANDOM RELIGIOUS FACT OF THE DAY: In the Old Testament, the first rule of warfare is that all soldiers must carry a shovel and go a certain distance out of the camp if they want to take a shit, so that they don't spread diseases.

Assuming you could find a way to replace the brain with machinery in such a way that you would not interrupt consciousness, yeah. Scary thought.

nate_dog_woof, I meant the "If you MUST be born again, someone's gonna force you to without your consent. THat someone is God" interpretation.

The old testement also stats "A kid must not be boiled in it's mother's milk"

It means a young goat.

Specific interpretation: Don't be cruel to animals, even emotional pain.
General interpretation: Don't eat meat and milk cooked together.

But I fail to see why it counts as being interesting.

Actual interpretation: Something to do with kosher food.

There's a lot of other... questionable ones.

Judges? umm...Isn't that the story of Lot in Soddom? I don't think thats in Judges.
Or it's a suprisingly similar story.
but I have read that, and that is wierd

Now, if the second rule was still in effect today, you'd probably be dead by now

Yeah, it is the story of Soddom. And of course, as usual, it loses something in the translation. As pointed out in that link posted in the Gay Adoption thread, the bible actually says that the townsfolk wanted to "know" the strangers which of course has an entirely different meaning.

There's plenty of historical doubt whether the second rule was ever actually acted out. There's a saying that if an ancient Jewish court sentenced one man to death in 70 years, then it was considered a murderous court.

Or, like with everything else in the book, its a metaphor to instill an emotion or moral into people. Basically, that if you are bad, you get punished.

adultery Rich, nice touch to your post. Good luck with that

Yeah, I didn't remember there being the word "intercourse" in there. Thats a screw up in translation, I'm not sure even the people of Soddom would walk up to your house and say "hey, you got a visiter, let us have sex with him" Thats fricking twisted

Yes but "let us know him!", "NO! Know my daughter instead" doesn't make much modern-day sence.

I was referring to the second one. About stoning people to death. :rolleyes:

I was reffering to your location. About Pb & J, I like it with tortilla shells:rolleyes:

Pfft, jealousy is terrible isn't it?

Not quite, Rich, I'm not turned on by you in the least

You could be if your Ladybird book of religion was more tolerant of same sex relationships.

And I fail to see how I've committed adultery. Is sleeping with someone I love a sin? You best all stone me to death now. :rolleyes:

its not the book that keeps me straight, its me

and also, look up adultery in a dictionary
it also covers if both people are unmarried

But I'm a virgin. In bed with her is different to fucking her.

And why the hell am I defending myself against your laws anyway...

Aw Rich. How slightly chivalrous[sp] of you.

And yes, don't make comments like that, when you're totally oblivious about the situation. You could at least read the thread about us meeting up, if you're going to make bitchy and totally untrue comments. Get over yourself, I don't appriciate you bitching at Rich.

If you want to talk about adulteryness in religion that's absolutely fine. But don't even bother commenting about something you're ignorant on, when it would take you 2 seconds to load the thread [which would take you less than a minute to read].

- Rexy

Woo, score one for Rexy.

EDIT: Christ, 7 pages already?

I did get away with my myself and got a well deserved slap in the face. I thank you.

I like the fact that this topic has been on topic for... I dunno, 1/3 of the posts?
And after such a "this'll never work" start! ^.-.^

CPR!!!
yeah, me too, I thought it'd be closed right off the bat for being a the kingdom of Spam-a-lot but I guess I was wrong

Back on topic.
NO RELIGION HATERS OR ATHEISTS!!!
what is it about religion that makes you keep it? For me, it keeps me on a healthy life style, sure I miss out on a lot of stuff that atheists and non religious people get to do, like pre marital sex and stuff like that, but even if I wasn't religious, I probably still wouldn't do it. but I don't know, cause I am. and it'll all come some day. it'll also all come to an end someday too :|

Actually, you should let atheists say why they choose that path. They can explain in a civilised way without becoming antitheists.

Atheism is freedom. All needed morals and necessary rules have been taken from religions and worked into society as ethics. You don't have to be religious to know that murder is bad. Your opinions and behaviour aren't controlled by your belief system so you are more open minded, having no real reason to hate anybody unless they do something bad.

The whole sex thing is good too and you don't have to view sex, masturbation or homosexuality as immoral.

Ugh, sorry to open a can of worms, but it seems science is agnostic and not atheist (I mean pure Science, and not "Scientology" or Scientists. Science itself leaves space for God, and even though it cannot prove God exists it cannot rule him out completely.)

If masturbation is immoral in God's eyes, hell, most of us are Satanists. http://oddworldforums.net/images/smilies/smokin.gif

It is immoral, but not terribly. And again, not worshiping God does not mean you're a satanist or even Evil.

The old testament says:

Haha. I laugh at that. I'm sorry, but it's so fucking sexist and stupid. And hypocritical, I'm sure your loving, peaceful God wants you to go around killing doves just because you bled out of your vagina. :rolleyes:

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Geez... I'm not even going to touch this one beyond saying that the concept of ritual uncleanliness in Judaism has nothing to do with physical, spiritual or moral uncleanliness and is so incredibly complicated that you'd have to study for years to understand the rules surrounding it, let alone the meaning behind the concept.

Oh, and the first sentence in that quote is referring to wet dreams. Masturbation is still considered a waste of seed.

Nate, can you back up the term "waste of seed" from the bible, please?

I know a lot of priests/bishops/{possibly Popes} are against masturbation but I don't know of any biblical reference.

Sorry, those are my own words. I can't give an exact quote, I've merely heard it referred to that in the past in context of masturbation and contraceptives.

EDIT: Just got back from some googling. There is no real rule in the Old Testament regarding masturbation or contraception. What rules there are (known as the oral law*) comes mainly from the commandment to be fruitful and multiply (which is generally regarded as a commanment to Jews to have sex as often as possible and have fun with it at the same time).

(There's also the story of Onan, which I'm guessing someone will bring up, but his punishment was way complicated and nothing to do with his wasting of seed and everything to do with shirking fraternal duty)

*The oral law is a detailed explanation of the specifics of many of the bible laws that seem unclear when read literally.

The pope got mad about that actually. The creators of southpark promised never to show it again after the incident.

I didnt find that episode THAT funny . the blood spurt was pretty funny in its own simple , cheap laughing way.

I found hardly any parts of the entire season funny, yes it had its moments, but it didn't deliver like it used to. I think Southpark has finally run out of ideas.

I would have to agree with you entirley used . Happy tree friends is the show I like right now! ( the series about those cute little fuzzy animals , that get slaughtered in the most gruesome ways! )

Its such a crackup!

South Park is pooples. I refer you all to the quote that Used posted, from 'me'.

In reference to the extract that Adder posted, that just seems silly. The whole concept. If a woman has her period, she is 'dirty' for seven (always seven) days? If so, a woman is unclean roughly 50 days in a year.

The menstrual process is a naturally occuring one. Woman have periods. Is one deemed spiritualy unclean whence they deposit fecal in a turlet? I certainly hope not.

Come on, take a joke. You know you want to. No one except you and me will know. ;)

I can take jokes, but it's very hard to get tone accross in text. Please use the "not-quite-universal" sarchasm indicator.

It can change your life(!)


I don't know where maturbation actualy became wrong. Obviously Lust is biblicaly wrong (I hope. It's one of the Big 7), but I think masturbation is just derived as wrong. Contraceptive... well, if masturbation is considered wrong, then safe sex is just masturbtion with another person... technicaly.

its morally wrong for the buddhists, i think i saw that here. but I'm not sure about wrong, now, I don't do it just because its a kinda weird way to get turned on.