Oh.....Thank you for the correction Al!

Dont think of it as a correction M.O.M., think of it as a small pointer. That both of you could be right or wrong, it all depends on like I said how you interpret things.


-Al the Vykker

Ill note that for the future Al

Yep Sydney, good to see you up to your old tricks again. One of the few appearances you make back here and you're all gunned up to attack me. Regarding what you said, (and while on the topic of misinterpretation) you mistinterpreted what I told you long ago. What I had was a dream, and I never claimed to have been, as you say, "guided my Mudokon spirits." It's obvious that you are only trying to discredit me by bringing something already controversial I told you in good faith in the past, twist it around, and use it against me. I'm sorry you feel you need to do that.

I said it before and here it is yet again: You don't have to believe one way or another as it is completely up to you to put things together in a way that makes sense to you. I'm NOT trying to make anyone believe anything but am expressing my opinions and beliefs which are based upon evidence that I have found to be true. Nothing more. Does anybody here find that threatening?

All I ask of anybody who reads this is to at least consider the information which has been presented, and to not surrender to any one particular view. Even mine. I advise all who I share this with to take even what I say with a grain of salt. It's the only sensible thing to do.

Not to stir the shit here but you did tell Sydney's secret to people when she told you in confidence...

That's the first sane statement you've made all year.

I was abducted by vykkers as a child...

If you're truly looking in vain to damage my credibility then you're going to have to try harder. Is that all you've got? That is really no secret of mine because all it was was a dream; not even particularly private. If you don't have anything to contribute other than criticism, then please move to another discussion.

The mudokon spirit guides were just one of the things that were mentioned. Omitting that fact wouldn't have made any difference, as you do a fine job on your own ensuring people don't take you seriously. I'm only replying because I find you extremely amusing, not because of some absurd attempt to damage your credibility - that's incidental.But criticism of such wild claims is healthy and normal. Do you only accept positive reactions to your tales of government conspiricies and intergalactic congresses?

I find you amusing in the way that you hardly come to the OWF to post any more; yet when there comes a thread which I express my opinions openly you take that opportunity to jump down my throat. You've made as many posts in the last week or so that you have within the past few months. Now come on... if you're going through this much trouble you should at least quit pussyfooting around and let me have it. I knew and expected fully when I first started getting involved in this topic that I would be up for a lot of criticism; so no, I didn't expect only positive response.

And really, only because you view issues one way does not make you right. Same for me, just because I say things are one way does not make me right either. It's a matter of who's walked the walk and who's talked the talk. I've actually looked into this matter and have formed opinions based upon the research I have done.

Answer this as concise as possible Missy: Have you done any research that would otherwise entitle you to say what I have thus far put forth is invalid? (Word of mouth, rumors, and other foundationless information excluded) If you can't say that you have looked into the matter, done any research, or taken an interest in this, then you have no place to say that I have presented invalid information or that all of this "is a fantasy." That is only a dictation of your opinion; and that is all it is. "Hit the books and prove me wrong."

Pilot, you still haven't answered the question I posed above.

I'm yet to discover any ET evidence that extends beyond word of mouth, rumors, and other foundationless information myself. If these claims are based upon your own beliefs, rather than solid evidence, then we have a stalemate. We'll need more than Geocities pages with yellow/black colour schemes, static cropcircle shots and anecdotal evidence to prove your beliefs.

You've made some hefty claims; back them up.

A stalemate may be indeed what we have.

My friend, sometimes understanding does not come by "solid" or "scientific" means. Becoming to heavily reliant on science to explain yourself and the universe around you can blind an individual to many things. In my opinion, to dismiss what one cannot see/touch/taste/hear or smell in the here and now as fantasy or fallacy is folly.

I won't stay here and argue my point because I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. Take it for what it is. What evidence I do have is not something that you could put your hands on; nor is it probably anything that would even make sense to you or anybody else but me; in that way I am in the same boat as many others. Much of what I have to go on are my experiences, and if that makes me crazy or otherwise mentally unsound then so be it.

That's all I have to say on that matter.

They're out there!
 

"Somewhere out there, there are alien forces acting in ways we could never have imagined. Are we alone in the universe? Impossible! When you consider all that surrounds us..." ~ The Simpsons

Well, I believe that aliens do exist. There are trillions of stars and galaxies... more than we will ever know. Most of them should have orbitting planets. And let's say it's like our solar system, with 9 planets. And you multiply lets say, 100 trillion by 9. It's impossible that none of those 900 trillion planets have life. Even if they are just little worm things or even just unicellular microbes. Aliens must exist.

Ok enough of my rants. That was my opinion. Let's see yours.

ANSWER THE QUESTION
 

Yeah, thanks for the patronising register, son.

You've given the same 'truths' that religion declares, prescribing complicated realities to personal testimony. I'm not saying you're wrong - though something this bizarre deserves to be wrong - but you've put a lot of faith in such a convoluted story. Doesn't your sense of judgment urge you to seek greater confirmation for something
beyond 'evidence' that you alone find plausible?
Well, privilileged as you are with this tome of infinite knowledge, perhaps you'll be willing to answer my earlier question regarding the motives of this alien race. I'll ask a third time: WHY would these aliens abandon their efforts to prevent nuclear war when 9/11 drew us towards this same threat?

Forget this pointless argument on 'truth'. I'm asking you to rationalise the foolish nature of a decision these hyperintelligent aliens have made. We can't prove their existence - that's a given - but we can universally assess the nature of their supposed actions as foolish or not.

I'm questioning the nature of this intelligence, NOT the nature of your beliefs. Even if we assume that your story is correct, its logic is undermined by the prospect that these aliens have made a foolish oversight. How can your genius ETs dismiss the prospect of the very NUCLEAR WAR they are supposed to PREVENT?

Well, I can't argue with that logic. You're saying that chance and truth are co-dependent?

I'll buy you a steak dinner if this experiment works: roll a dice six times and see if it lands on each number once. The one in six probability must pay out once we exhaust each probable situation, right? Right?! I mean, the fact that it CAN happen PROVES that it WILL happen!

Here's evidence against that argument. Pilot CAN answer the question that I HAVE asked him three times. He's HAD 2 recent chances to respond, but he HAS not. Are you convinced possibly? I know I am, perhaps! Yes?

Fine Luxo... let me rephrase that. I guess I was a bit too hasty in my reply. I'll replace the word "impossible" with the word "improbable". Happy now? And also, I did say at the end that that was MY opinion. No reason to bite my off head...

Heh... okay - I'll return that head of yours and offer an apology.

I still think that people too readily grant 'their opinion' asylum from criticism and logic. That's why I used your post to leverage my own response to Pilot's Mister Miyagi-cum-Oracle antics. I'm tired of this self-assuredness disguised as generous tolerance; he's fully convinced of this alien story and has conveniently avoided any rational objections. When he comes out with this:
He's basically said 'well, my opinion is just as valid as the next - actually, it's more valid!'

Ok... Well, I've looked through the who thread. First of all, don't get me wrong. I do believe that extra-terrestrial life does exist. Even if they are just unicellular organisms. It is extremely unlikely that they do not exist.

However, I will now reveal myself to be against Pilot's views. I find that Jacob's posts are a lot more plausible. I'm not saying I know everything about this sort of thing... I don't. But I'm not the kind of guy that will openly accept any wishy-washy(sorry, that's just how I feel... nothing personal) view as true without substantial evidence to prove otherwise.

Now, I completely against this idea of "Verdants" and that we have known of them for a long time. None of your ideas have a firm foundation. In all of your posts, I have not seen even one shred of evidence to prove that these so-called "Grays" exist in our society. "Ancient" paintings isn't proof. As I mentioned before, history is plagued with forgeries of this kind. The reference to the talk show Coast to Coast cannot be presented as proof. And this thing about Aboriginal cave paintings depicting guys with helmets? Don't make me laugh.

Well I do infact belive that we have known about aliens for quite some time now and I do agree with Pilot that beliving is up to you and sometimes you can't always have solid evidence.

Are we talking Space Ghost here? Aah SG, Zorak, Moltar and Brak are soo funny. And Lokar has his moments too. I know you're not meaning that but I don't know what 'Coast to Coast' is.

I'm sorry for that but I had to lighten the tone a bit, things sure are heating up here in the forums. I won't say much, as I don't want to be attacked but all I think is the same as Canned Gabbiar, where as there most likely is something, no matter how small.

There are infinite.

Thanks For The Support
 

Yeah. Thx Facsimile. I just think it's naive to believe that these so called "verdants" actually exists in society without reasonable evidence. I'm not saying that they are wrong, because anything is possible, but I'm just saying that it seems a little too much on the science-fiction side.

I don't generally believe anything, but certain things lately make me wonder.

No not really. It is very possible for our own planet to be the only one that harbours life. "Life" itself may just be a spacial anomaly.

So to conclude, the possibilities are equal. The universe is either full of life, or dead. Both possibilities are just as probable as each other, since there is no good evidence supporting either.

What brought this topic back to life?

Wow.

R-e-a-l-l-y old topic.

But I have to say I know for a fact...well, not a fact, but a high, high probability that there is absolutely nothing else out there. It was from this really cool book that put everything into perspective, I think you guys would like it...I'm gonna go try to find it.

*raises hand*

Sorry. It called out to me.

I believe in God,

so I believe in Satan.

I believe in Satan,

so I believe in devils.

I believe in devils,

so Aliens aren't that wacky in my world.

-oddguy

The only TRUTH is, that the universe is so absolutely mind bogglingly immense, it is beyond our comprehension. The most we can begin to understand, is maybe this galaxy, that's about it. Even that is a struggle for a human to accept the sheer size, since to appreciate the entire thing it must be scaled down many many times.

Our brains are incapable of accepting and appreciating the distances, sizes, and events taking place in our universe. We simply cannot compute the staggering amount of data it would take to make a log of the entire universe. Therefore, we cannot begin to comprehend what else me out there - it really is like trying to in our minds add a brand new color to the spectrum.

And this thread is soooo old, that it didn't deserve to be brought back up. You could have just made a new one, this one's been dead for long enough.

Alcar...