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Bullet Magnet 12-11-2006 08:14 AM

Has anyone seen in the news recently about the newly discovered marine species in Antarctica? Great news obviously, but I am horrified by the inaccurate data that every single media outlet in the world has repeated.

They report the species dubbed the "Jurassic Shrimp", being a species of crustacean thought extinct for 50 million years, and is now a living fossil. I'm trying to clear this up, but it's me against the world here: it is not the same species. It is a modern species, no fossil known records it. It is of the same group, previously thought extinct, but evolution has quite clearly occurred. This is a different species from the extinct ones!

This is going to be the coelacanth controversy all over again...

Munch's Master 12-11-2006 11:35 AM

Since you're so well up on marine biology, I'll ask- Is there any truth to the rumours of the living, undisturbed/undiscovered lifeforms in the udnerwater lake in the antarctic? Only I've heard there's a preserved lake beneath the ice, thought to house 'new' species. Do you know any more about this? (Really drifitng off topic here)

snuzi 12-11-2006 11:59 AM

I doubt anyone'd know. The conditions there are too harsh for exploration, especially when it comes to underwater exploration. There might be some truth to it though, since most undiscovered organisms dwell in the ocean's depths (seeing as how it's so vast).

Bullet Magnet 12-11-2006 01:56 PM

Of course there are undiscovered life-forms down there... but therefor we obviously have no idea what they could be.. Currently we fear drilling down there for the risk of contaminating the lake with surface organisms, risking both the ecosystem and our samples.

Nate 12-11-2006 06:28 PM

Actually, some geologists found something similar in an underwater lake in Israel a few months back.

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Eight invertebrates new to science have been discovered in an underwater cave in central Israel, which was uncovered during drilling at a quarry close to Tel Aviv.

The largest of these is a white shrimp-like crustacean and another looks like a species of scorpion and is blind.

Scientists say it is a unique ecosystem that has been cut off from the world for five million years and that other ancient life forms may be living there as well.

Dr Hanan Dimantman, a biologist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said," We are sure that the eight species that were found are only the beginning of the story of this ecosystem."

The cave connects to a lake and a network of passageways that extend for more than a mile (1.6km) some 400ft (120m) underground and it is thought to date back millions of years to a time when the area was part of the Mediterranean Sea.

Two of the animals live in seawater and two others live in fresh or brackish water, which means they may be descended from ancient sea creatures, the scientists say.

All of the newly discovered species were found alive, except for one type of blind scorpion.
Specimens have been sent to European and Israeli experts in order that the creatures can be named and classified.

Strike Witch 12-11-2006 07:13 PM

Heh, you want undiscovered mysterious fauna?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_Death_Worm

This sucker good enough?

Majic 12-11-2006 07:17 PM

loles, cryptozoology ftw.

I can't help but think back to that episode of Penn & Teller where they follow the dudes searching for the Loch Ness Monster. The scene where they imitate the duo is priceless.