You know what, Why don't we all just shut up about athiesm?
It's not a religion, so why are we discussing it in a religion thread?

Because it has everything to do with religion? Like I said, Athiesm wouldn't excists without religion, thus it has everything to do with it, yes?

I agree though, this is going no-where. But instead of shutting up about it, let's all just agree to: I hate your beliefs and you hate mine. Then we can all die happily without giving a damn about each other...

Because you're an evil ****, and we are doing this to spite you.

You're previous post held no relevance due to the fact that it is a profoundly stupid thing to support, since, you know, Abeguy is a complete ****ing halfwit.

A closing of this topic would be grandly appriciated, on account of there being no actual topic to begin with.

Oh, and AFOS. Lenny the Loan Turtle just completely fuucked up your credit, so, you know, good luck with that.

God hates you all.

The end.

Don't slap all that "he said she said" business, Abeguy. It's blatantly noticable througout the thread of your atheist condeming and insufferable stupid wanna be funny comments. Just shut up, you're not making yourself sound smart, you just sound stupid.

I concur with that proposal.

OY! Can't we have a nice discussion? I was afraid that this would happen, but i actually think it was ok in the start of this thread...
Evryone should respect eachothers religions, and i really don't the purpose of discussing religion when the only thing you do is argue about Atheism... Personally i don't see it as a religion, because well... It just isn't... No one made up atheism, people just named non-believers that. Unless I've missed something out.
But Atheism has alot to do with religion, since well... it just does :-S

I dun think it's possible to have a normal discussion about it T-nex. Which is why me and a bunch of other people wanted to put it all in one topic to prevent stuff like this from freaking up other normal topics. Cuz I have seen a big share of topics get messed up because stuff like this.

Look it's simple as this. These people believe what they want, the other people believe what they want. There is nothing wrong with that at all, it's not anyone elses problem.
It starts to tick people off when the religion folks try to shuffle their beliefs in to places where it doesn't belong. It's like shoving a car exaust up your ass, it doesn't fit OR belong there...
I don't have a problem with religion because I hate the believers. I hate it because religion is responsible for most of the suffering in this world, which is kind of ironic. Most big wars were faught over religion.
Next to that I only have a problem with people who try to force their religion onto others or worse: on me.

I don't call Athiesm a religion, it's just a fancy name for the group of people who don't believe. If it was a religion then that would be contradicting, because most Athiests don't WANT to be religious in the first place...

Thank you Havoc. That is exactly what a religious thread should be like. In fact, I'm a member of a forum that works just like this (although it does cover occult subjects like Divination and Crystals as well).


[/quote]I don't call Athiesm a religion, it's just a fancy name for the group of people who don't believe. If it was a religion then that would be contradicting, because most Athiests don't WANT to be religious in the first place...[/QUOTE]
Atheism is a belief more than a religion. However, it can easily be classed as a religion. It's just a religion where you don't follow any higher power or beleive you need to worship or beleive in anything beyond the physical. In a way, it does reflect other religions (since believing in Everything forces you to believe in Nothing, since Nothing is part of Everything).
The point of Atheism (by definition) is "There is no God/Allah/Budah/Gaia". Anything beyond the physical is not accepted. Often, science is seen as "the truth" (which even I have to accept I do as well. Science makes a lot of sence, but doesn't explain how life began or how the big bang started).

This topic (in my opinion at least) degregated into apathy posting and preaching. Religious discusions are easy to do, as long as people relise the meaning of "discusion"

If atheism is a religion, I quit.

It's not. At all.

As previously stated by a bunch of other people on page three, it's a system of belief. However, I believe anyone that considers it a religion is mistaken. It's a belief that relates to religion, yes, but it could hardly be compared to an organized religion.

I preferto be thought of as a person with no relgion, rather than an atheist. It's such a label these days.

It's because your a super duper non-conforming, non label wearing poopy head, isn't it Gabe?!

There is a difference between not adhering to a religion and being atheist, you know.

You could always just be totally nihilistic about the existence of a higher power, but if you do not believe in any deities, like it or not, you're an atheist. I mean, it's not so much a label... it's just what it's called.

Okay, but that's nonspecific. A person with no religion could also believe in God, or be unsure of God's existence or nonexistence. An athiest does not believe in the presence of a higher being.

Edit: Damnit SeaRex!

Not where I'm from. To be an atheist is to be a satanist. I'm sick of it. Hopefully I'll be moving soon. It doesn't matter what the definitions or terms are of the word. Pople around here are too stupid an arrogant to wan't to be correct and sensible.

Ah. I see what you mean now. Ignorant people. Gotcha.

Well, in that case, just pretend my last post wasn't directed at you and is merely there for informative purposes. :p

In the context of a thread, you must remember that the atheists have just as much power to destroy it as the religionists by posting (as many have) that religion is evil and should be destroyed.

Hear, hear.

Hmm... I'm not too sure about this one. I think in many cases the same wars would have happened even if religion didn't exist. Sometimes Religion is just the excuse for doing what people already want to do.

One example would be the wars between England, France and Spain in the middle ages. They really were about territorialism and colonisation but the excuse was difference in religion.

Another example would be Israel vs Palestinians. When you look closer at the situation, the religious differences between the groups have not come into play at all. It's all about two nations claiming rights to one parcel of land. It's territorialism, not religionism.

Frankly, I believe that all wars are fought over money or power, which leads to money. The "holiness" of these events has only been acover story. people were just to stupid to see behind the sham.

Now about Wicca, what exactly is it about, can anyone give me insight, I know someone here is Wiccan. What is the belief system
and while were at it, Buddhism and Hindi. I know nothing about those religions except that the Dalai Lama came within 100 miles of where I live. And some other stuff. but I'd really like to learn more

It's a neo pagan religion. From what I know, it has NOTHIGN to do with Satan. I hope I am not wrong, but it also shares relationship with Buddhism, everyone being equal, what goes aorund comes aorund. Look it up on Wikipedia.

Lol. WICCA on WIKIpedia, I'm sorry but I found that funny
I just might try that though

It doesn't explain the belief system, but for a look at the historical basis (ahem) of modern Wicca, look here: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a991029.html.

What I've noticed about uber Christians (Not you, assorted OWF religious folks) is that they laugh at other religions for being 'stupid'.

"Hindu/Buddhism? AHAHAHAHA!! Why the **** would someone worship a cow/fat guy?! LOOL"

I just don't like that outlook. I've heard these kinds of statements on many occasions, particularly from silly ignorant infantiles at schools and such.

Abeguy, Wiccan is a religion based around Nature and Old Gods. It is related to Paganism, Witchcraft, and other forms of Earth Religion. I can't recall off-hand whether it deals with Angels like other "occult" religions do, but it has nothing to do with Satan or Evil. It is very... down-to-earth, while {obviously} dealing with the "beyond" physical.

I was surprised to hear about the Celtic Deity of Brighid within (Or "Bridgid"), who {if you read the right media} is believed to have been warped by the catholic church into "St. Bridgid", a well-known saint in Ireland.

I have found lots of this "tradition assimilation" by the Catholic church in Ireland. A story as old as "The Children of LÃ*r" has a reference to St. Patrick's coming 900 years before he came to Ireland. This would not have happened when people first talked about Na Tutha De Dannan.


Budism... well, it's interesting.

Some people believe Buhda was a god, or "higher being", since he wouldn't answer any questions on the subject. Of course, this led others to believe that he was implying there was no "higher powers".
It is easy to find basic information on these things... at least, over here it is. I had to study religion in school, which meant I got a basic knowledge of Muslim, Cahtolic, Protestant, Buhdist and Islam beliefs and ideas. I could recommend text-books if you want, Abeguy.

Just getting people off the quarreling. and Thanks for the Info Guys. Now, what do all you guys know about Judaism in its many forms? except you Nate, let's see if these people get it right or totally butcher it

Judaism could be described (crudely) as "Christiantiy before Christ".

It's the same God, but Jews see Jesus as a massia (rather than The Saviour)... at least that's as much as I can remember.

I was very surprised to find out from my friend Ahmed that Muslims believe in the same God as both, but again not Jesus... and there's a bit more on Muhammad.

Jews do not believe that Jesus is a massia. They also don't believe he was a messiah. They know that he lived but will give him nothing more than that.

I like Budism, because its (by my count) the only religion where there wasn't an award for if you followed it, or a punishment if you didn't.

Well... if you consider becoming one with everything a reward, there is.
But I know what you mean. With Budism, there's no "hell"... although there is Suffering and Death.

good definitions, now, from the top of your heads, name the Jewish Holy days (holidays)
and give a small defintion. If you can

I have a better idea. Reach your hands into my pants and guess whether or not I'm circumsized.

*reaches in OANST pants*

Ah, I see why you weren't circumsised.

Anyways, from all of the "common" Religions (even tho I'm against it), I think Buddism is the most peaceful. So if there had to be one religion, I'd have to choose that.

If you guessed becaused it's so freakin' ginormous than you are correct. But I only offered this to Abeguy. Expect to receive your sexual harassment suit in the mail in the next 3-5 business days.

It would be a sexual abuse suit, actually.

I'll kill you.

lol, I'd never reach down your pants anyway, I got something called a sexual orientation, and I'm keeping my current one, which is straight

OK. Topic type discussion now, peeps. If there is any more hot, male-on-male flirting action, it needs to be done via PM.

XD

Back on the Buddhism discussion, I do find it an interesting religion but I think most people don't really understand what it's about. They think it's a nice philosophy but an easy way of life. WRONG!

These are all things the Dalai Lama has said:
-Told a press conference in 1997 that man-man and woman-woman sex is sexual misconduct (San Franciso Chronicle 11/06/97)
-Said that sexual organs were created for the reproduction between the male element and the female element and anything that deviates from this is not acceptable (Dimanche Magazine Jan 2001)
-Offered his endorsement to an anti-abortion lobby group "Consistent Life" (Reuters 22/01/01)
-Published a set of religious teachings Beyond Dogma (1996) that claims

*That masturbation is forbidden

*Both oral and anal sex is forbidden, even between a husband and a wife

*Having sex during the day is sexual misconduct

All research here stolen directly from John Safran vs God.