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I can live with that. Mostly because it means I don't listen to Justin Bieber.
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I don't either. I listen to Madeon and Chvrches and Kendrick Lamar and Courtney Barnett and a lot of different artists from different genres. But I still defended someone I don't really like that much and don't listen to because his music is valid and, like I said, not even bad. Probably because Skrillex produced it.
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But it's not his music.
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Don't get me wrong, I think manufactured music like that of Justin Bieber is shit. I still enjoy some of it for what it is though. I didn't say it was in the same ball park as anything that I believe takes talent to create, I just think it's all right shit music. Like a kebab after a piss up.
How do you even quantify what's good though? An example I'd use is "Cheer Up London" by Slaves. It's repetitive, basic and shouty, I still think it's a 'good' song though. |
I'm not really trying to qualify good, to be honest. Too subjective. I'm just qualifying art/not art. I can't stress enough how much I don't care if people listen to Justin Bieber, though. Steph likes one of his songs. And she likes country music, and LMFAO, and stuff like that. She knows I think it's shit, and worthless, but she also knows that I understand that shit and worthlessness have their place in the world, and it's not worth caring about. Stupid fun be stupid fun and all. It's all about what you want to get out of the media that you take in. I have different goals in that respect than she does.
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There's no excuse for liking country though. None.
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I dislike my country
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I dislike your country too.
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High five!
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Hands down, Trevor.
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My little jokey response started a 2 page debate about Music.
I'm unsure if I should be pleased or not. |
MOD NOTICE: This thread up to this point was split off from Bits & Pieces. Hope that gives context to Crashpunk's last post.
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I think people often mean different things when they talk about pop, which leads to some of the confusion. Plenty of music that falls into the pop genre is made by people who want to make music, not just a product and is genuinely good, for example:
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I actually like that but it's the kind of thing I'd probably get made fun of for liking.
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If people make fun of you for liking Grimes they're not worth associating with. She's incredibly talented and makes music that's both enjoyable and technically impressive.
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Yeah but she seems so... edgy.
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A bit of edge is fine if you're actually good.
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The problem with pop music isn't that it sounds bad (though to me it does, but as we've established, that's subjective!), but rather that the industry is rigged to prevent the popularity of anything that deviates significantly from the status quo. The music itself isn't the issue, but the system is quite fascist and insidiously hinders the expression of certain ideas. Of course, the internet provides a platform for music aside from pop, but you have to be a young, pretty and vapid pop performer more often than not if you want good promotion. Most people's tastes are developed by what they're exposed to by the radio and TV, and there just isn't enough variety if you're tuning in to the popular channels, as most people do. You shouldn't have to actively seek out a new idea, as with TV, radio and the internet, we have the technology to expose everyone with electricity to lots of variety and give them the opportunity to make up their own minds on lots of issues, not just music. Unfortunately, that technology instead is used to indoctrinate people into the "work for money, then use it consume the things made by more affluent people than you thereby making them even more rich" system.
In a nutshell: pop music is a commodity and is used to keep people poor and ignorant in the same way TV and alcohol is used, and that is the problem, not the music in and of itself. |
Honestly, I don't really understand how anyone can think any entire genre sounds "bad". There are certain kinds of things I probably won't go out of my way to listen to, but they don't sound bad to me. I'd just rather spend my time listening to something I enjoy more (and that that is varies over time).
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Tangential to my real point, but generally something doesn't need to be like nails-on-chalkboard to sound "bad". Sometimes, things are offensively bland (in my opinion, like the general pop aesthetic, and also football!), as in so boring and repeated so often that it's painfully uninteresting to be subjected to.
As for how a whole genre can be dismissed as sounding "bad": pop music generally adheres to tried and tested formulas, both structurally AND in terms of the raw sounds you can hear that make up the aesthetic of the music. Over the decades, pop music has been streamlined more and more, becoming a lot more formulaic and less adventurous. So if you don't like any of the relatively small palette of sounds and ideas that are presented to you in pop music, you're doomed to dislike most of it. To reiterate my original point, I think that limiting our choices of (easily accessible) music is one method of encouraging ignorance in the population and discouraging people to challenge the status quo (because that would be a threat to the influence of those few folk who own the industry, who do interestingly but not surprisingly happen to be friends of the more right-wing Governments - like how Gary Barlow is a Tory. But I digress...) |
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You could've phrased it better, Nate.
She just likes bad boys. |
Despite any of our differences in beliefs, I think we can all agree that this is art in its purest form. |
Of course. Who doesn't just love ICP.
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3,768 people, according to youtube
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What is this thread even about?? Justin Bieber's body?
...not a fan |
Well it's not really music that made him popular, that's for sure.
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i have a confession. i like some of Nickelback and ICP's music.
it's true. i also like Linkin Park but i wouldn't put them in the same category as Nickelback/ICP. Linkin Park isn't that bad. :
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I actually like Linkin Park. Not Love. Just like.
I even like the classic In The End. |