You sure you don't want to join our atheist-bestiality gang bang? Anyone who's in it's 8:00. Be prompt and bring your own sheep.

Stop being so literal minded. Abeguy was making the point that an atheist saying religion should be banned is as corrupt and evil as a religious person saying that atheism should be banned.

woot go nate
and I'm not saying that all atheists are that way, but if there was an all atheistic country, it'd be around that way, except in some spaces of it...yeah.

Yeah, the good people would band together in small cities that will eventually be either raided or bombed by the bad people.
Hey, its a possible strategy.

I realise that, hence me being in the 'what-if' state of mind.

If anyone else makes a topic called 'The Religion Topic', I'm going to call a jihad against them. There was no reason for this thread, it's just the age old 'believe or not' thing. At least the homosexual adoption thread had I point.

/me retreats from this thread.

heh.... had I point.
Well, now since the flaming is over, about my religion (sort of).
Pastafarianism, for those of you who don't know, is the religion of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Because I'm too lazy, heres a link:
http://www.venganza.org/index.htm
And for all of you people who think it's retarded, It's just about as retarded as a story of a guy two thousand years ago who could walk through a pond without getting wet.

Ramen.

Nah, surely it should returned to Abeguy, he needs his latest dose so that he can indulge in his drug-induced, paranoid delusions of atheist morality and activities.

- Rexy

Sorry, Rexy. But you aren't an atheist and therefor can't be a completely immoral drug addict. Maybe next time.

Heh, most of the druggies I've known are people who grew up in oppressive religious environments. It's their form of rebellion.

I myself grew up in a completely repressive, christian home. I wasn't even allowed to read ANYTHING that wasn't by a devoutly christian author. Although, this probably is what drove me to my absolute love of the written word in the first place. When I was nine I used to go the mall with my mom and we would split up for about an hour. I would go to the bookstore and spend my allowance on a book which I would then stuff down my pants for the return trip home. I had torn out the vast majority of the pages from my bible so that I could place a book inside it and look like I was reading about the great and almighty god.

On a side note I am probably not the best person to argue with Abeguy since my first child was born when I was 16 and I was regularly using heroin by 19. Oh well, what can you do? But I want to be clear that my drug use was not a form of rebellion. I just hated myself and wanted to die but I was too much of a coward to commit suicide. I'm over all of this now, by the way.

You're a "musician," most of them go through this stage. :p

lol. Yeah, we musicians sure are a likable bunch, aren't we? I made some good stuff in those years, though. If anyone wants to hear any of my work I would be happy to email some to them. That is if I can figure out how.

If you're trying to say that Athiest saying religion should be banned is the exact same as the other way around, then you're deadly mistaking.
Athiestism only exists because there actualy is a religion to 'hate' or 'be against' or 'not believe in'.
Would all religions in the world be gone tommorow, then so would Athiestism, because there would no longer be use for it.
But, if Athiestism would vanish tommorow, that wouldn't realy get rid of any other religions. Some will prolly even go: We is victorious! We have banned that Athiest scum to hell!

I'm heavily anti religion of any kind, yet I do not drink, smoke or use drugs. So does me not using drugs, alcohol and cigarets automaticly make me a christian? I would think not, and if it does I will go out and buy two kilo's of weed right now...

And mass destruction all around me? Didn't the oh so holy America get their pants blown off on September 11th? Arn't the Americans fighting on holy ground in Iraq and Afganistan? Didn't the French get pwned bigtime in a battle mainly over religion?
If that's what you call savety, then I'm happy where I am right now. I've never seen a tank roll trough my street, see an airplane fly in the factory across the street or have the entire block lit by burning cars.
In fact, isn't it noticable that most countries that don't hammer on religion so much hardly have a conflict?
Conclusion: Religion is deadly and dangrous (<-- and that was a joke BTW, for everyone who didn't get that already)

Abeguy, let me save you the trouble of pointing this out to him.

You can't ban atheism. You can't ban beliefs (both legaly {cause we have constitutions} and practicaly {people will still say "I wonder what that is?" and come up with answers}).

Atheism is NOT evil. Atheism does NOT attack Christianity any more than any other belief does.

Atheism is also not Anarchy. It does not promote anarcy. It has not been sproven, or shown, to lead to anarchy. It has nothing to do with anarcy exept for the fact they both begin with "A".
There is Evil in the world. People don't do good things. Christians don't always do good things (e.g. Crusades, Inquisision, Popes leading armys and having mistrises{technicaly, the Pope would not be doing anything wrong if your a Catholic}).

You should not blame religion for peoples actions against other people. It is only people who practice their religion blindly, who do not question why they're being asked to harm others, who do not think for themselves, that are to blame. The people leading them are also to blame, for they are mistreating their religion and believers.

your words, not mine
I never said that atheists were EVIL
Never said that blindly leaded religionists were right either
I agree with you on those terms

I'm not saying religion is "Oh So Uber!" and anyone not believing in it is damned to hell. I'm just trying to discuss different religions. get a bigger view on it. thats all

Adder, did you happen to even read my post?

Let's assume that he did read your post. Was his post directed to you? No. Is your word the final word of the subject? No. Don't be a twat and post something just to ask if someone read something you posted earler.

Abeguy, you've already said "Doing Good deeds alone will not get you into heaven even if there is a God" and quoted Jesus as a proof.

You are not discussion religion. You seem to be preaching.
Even if said sarchasticly, there is NO basis for this. You are clearly sending out an anti-atheist message. Why?

You know what, Why don't we all just shut up about athiesm?
It's not a religion, so why are we discussing it in a religion thread?

Because it has everything to do with religion? Like I said, Athiesm wouldn't excists without religion, thus it has everything to do with it, yes?

I agree though, this is going no-where. But instead of shutting up about it, let's all just agree to: I hate your beliefs and you hate mine. Then we can all die happily without giving a damn about each other...

Because you're an evil ****, and we are doing this to spite you.

You're previous post held no relevance due to the fact that it is a profoundly stupid thing to support, since, you know, Abeguy is a complete ****ing halfwit.

A closing of this topic would be grandly appriciated, on account of there being no actual topic to begin with.

Oh, and AFOS. Lenny the Loan Turtle just completely fuucked up your credit, so, you know, good luck with that.

God hates you all.

The end.

Don't slap all that "he said she said" business, Abeguy. It's blatantly noticable througout the thread of your atheist condeming and insufferable stupid wanna be funny comments. Just shut up, you're not making yourself sound smart, you just sound stupid.

I concur with that proposal.

OY! Can't we have a nice discussion? I was afraid that this would happen, but i actually think it was ok in the start of this thread...
Evryone should respect eachothers religions, and i really don't the purpose of discussing religion when the only thing you do is argue about Atheism... Personally i don't see it as a religion, because well... It just isn't... No one made up atheism, people just named non-believers that. Unless I've missed something out.
But Atheism has alot to do with religion, since well... it just does :-S

I dun think it's possible to have a normal discussion about it T-nex. Which is why me and a bunch of other people wanted to put it all in one topic to prevent stuff like this from freaking up other normal topics. Cuz I have seen a big share of topics get messed up because stuff like this.

Look it's simple as this. These people believe what they want, the other people believe what they want. There is nothing wrong with that at all, it's not anyone elses problem.
It starts to tick people off when the religion folks try to shuffle their beliefs in to places where it doesn't belong. It's like shoving a car exaust up your ass, it doesn't fit OR belong there...
I don't have a problem with religion because I hate the believers. I hate it because religion is responsible for most of the suffering in this world, which is kind of ironic. Most big wars were faught over religion.
Next to that I only have a problem with people who try to force their religion onto others or worse: on me.

I don't call Athiesm a religion, it's just a fancy name for the group of people who don't believe. If it was a religion then that would be contradicting, because most Athiests don't WANT to be religious in the first place...

Thank you Havoc. That is exactly what a religious thread should be like. In fact, I'm a member of a forum that works just like this (although it does cover occult subjects like Divination and Crystals as well).


[/quote]I don't call Athiesm a religion, it's just a fancy name for the group of people who don't believe. If it was a religion then that would be contradicting, because most Athiests don't WANT to be religious in the first place...[/QUOTE]
Atheism is a belief more than a religion. However, it can easily be classed as a religion. It's just a religion where you don't follow any higher power or beleive you need to worship or beleive in anything beyond the physical. In a way, it does reflect other religions (since believing in Everything forces you to believe in Nothing, since Nothing is part of Everything).
The point of Atheism (by definition) is "There is no God/Allah/Budah/Gaia". Anything beyond the physical is not accepted. Often, science is seen as "the truth" (which even I have to accept I do as well. Science makes a lot of sence, but doesn't explain how life began or how the big bang started).

This topic (in my opinion at least) degregated into apathy posting and preaching. Religious discusions are easy to do, as long as people relise the meaning of "discusion"