I completely agree. I believe that a ban should've been instated for acting like that as well (At least a temporary one). Also, this is what I meant by some people wouldn't take someone constantly bashing him/her and a flame war would result. (Even though Sligco wasn't being 'bashed' at all, really-it was only constructive criticism and he completely popped off on us all.) Unfortunately, the same thing is happening with him as what happened with Stingbee. :/

Edit: After re-reading the Final Oddworld thread, I realize that it seems that Sligco may have been provoked by a few people here and there. However, it still gave him no right to flame people who were only trying to give him constructive criticism. I believe all of this is the reason why that thread ended up being closed.

God, I feel so sorry for Alcar; no matter what he does, someone is never satisfied. When I first arrived here, there was some sort of "crack down on the rules" thing going on, making the forums more strict. People complained and were angered. Some even left, I believe. Now that the forums are back to easy-going, there's loads of complaints again. There's no pleasing you people!

Rex Tirano... you have a serious superiority complex, and I suggest you take it elsewhere, because we're trying to have an on topic discussion here.

For the record Dipstikk, what you were doing to sligco in that thread is EXACTLY what I am condoning and suggesting. The intellectual pummeling of idiots who cause problems. You've done it yourself, so please don't argue with me and tell me that I'm being unreasonable, it's hypocritical.

We should put up a spell check for the idiots that can't type a sentence without a hundred spelling errors or for the people who constantly use chat speak. If they continue to spam, misspell and over use chat speak we sould give them warnings and ban them. If there just spamers like Stingbee just ban them after giving them warning or like the way Stingbee was just ban them without any warning because its clear there only there to spam. I've seen fourms with spell check and they seem to have less members with errors and bad grammer.

I'm no longer arguing about unreasonability, I'm arguing about the fact that you've done some dumb things as a noobie too, such as this wonderful little scenario here in the "My Tongue is Twisted" thread.

And you were repremanded...
And you continued to mouth off, which earned you a warning from Majic...

...Who you told to shut up (a really, really stupid move, telling a Mod to shut up.)

This is my arguement: You haven't been a complete angel yourself in your few months of being with us. So before you go off and put yourself on the High Throne of Noobkind, take a look at your own mistakes and think about whether you're really one to talk about stupid behavior.

In some ways Dino is just as bad as a spamer but he does have the right to flame people if he wants to no matter how much they may hate it. If he wants to be nasty to new members he has every right to be but it could just lead to his ban. No one likes to be flamed but if it becomes a critical problem after being told nicely to improve there spelling or to stop spaming then it should be ok to flame them for there stupid grammer. I hate people who don't even try to spell correctly. I'm not that great of a speller but unlike some newbies I try to spell better and try to correct the words I don't spell right. I'm also a fast typer and don't like to spend a great deal of time checking over my post so I still spell somethings wrong. All I know is that the spamers around here are just anyoing and need to be delt with.

Quote: Originally Posted by Alcar

Quote: Originally Posted by Gretin I have a similar stance on this to Odd Chick, but I also believe in the old saying, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." Trust me on this one, I have a very good knack for knowing what a member will be like within their first post. Sometimes I only need to look at their profile while validating them. How I would love to prevent the forums from suffering from these idiots (not noobs, just spammers, multiple accounts, etc), I know for a fact that it'd start another noob / idiot / naive / moron war again. And I just love them so much. Yes, ever so much. Quote: Originally Posted by Gretin Is it possible for that quiz (I think Nate_dog_woof suggested it?) to actually be implemented? If it could, and if it needed typed answers (i.e. not just selecting one answer from a selection, as some people would just keep trying and trying until they got the right ones by chance), that would possibly prevent some of the real idiots from actually joining. The idea of a quiz being used as a barrier to the forums has been an idea suggested long before nate was a member. I suppose the only reason we don't do it is that everyone deserves to have a chance at being a member. It'd be like restricting immigration by using language tests. Which is so 1900's. Alcar...

Ah, I see your point.
I actually think that most of the time, the warning system we already have in place works fine. And the Sligco situation shows why flaming sometimes causes more harm than good.
This thread shows how sometimes telling someone clearly what's wrong without flaming can be far more effective than calling someone how stupid they are. (Hope you don't mind me using this as an example, Cyber-Slig)
And, yes, I know some people just won't listen when they are told clearly, but some people also don't bother to tell them clearly, they just get straight to insults which can sometimes mask what's actually being said. If they ignore everything that everyone tells them, then it's time for the moderators to step in, maybe even issue a warning depending on the degree of rudeness/stupidity/whatever.

Heh, I had the same thought when I first posted in this thread.

this guy knows the score! im sick of 'flame wars' on internet forums. they usually go like this:

fool 1: you're a stupid ****ing n00b.

fool 2: you are probably only 13 and have no life apart from the computer.

fool 1: i pwned him

fool 2: stfu or ill pwn you so hard you will feel it.

i laugh at these type of people.

I say we kick the shit out of Reece for being Reece.

Thankyou! Thankyou! Thankyou! Someone does understand!

Furthermore, I had actually thought of implementing another "strict" scheme in light of all the idiots at the moment, but I didn't for said reason. Those that complained about by toughness are whining again about my laxness. You hypocrites can suffer the wrath of your own ignorance. Mwhahahahahahahah!

Alcar...

And everyone else he's been.

Yea, but that "crack-down", in my oppinion was unfair... People got warnings even for small jokes made for pure fun, and non-spamming intensions.

Also, i think that one of your majour mistakes with the crack-down was that you made such a big deal with it.
It's like when someone tells you not to do something, then you get curious and do it anyways. But if you just don't say anything, the person wont even think about it.

And for Gods sake, please stop with the Reece-joke, they are but an overused jokes, which aint funny anymore... :(

I don't really see how us always talking about his many usernames is joking... More like, telling the facts...

Yeah. There's some proof knocking around somewhere, but i'll need to beat Peter for it.

Anyway from what i can remember

Reece Charles =4ourth Concept = Death = FeeCoFreak=Dino=Mawk= a lot of other people too.

Um, yea, you forgot Codek. But that's not the point, you've just overused the joke. It was funny in the start, and yes, they may be the fact.
But still, it's kind of irritating seeing the same thing being posted over and over again...

It's not really intended to be funny...

And codek was just a name change was it not...

wow, i can see i havent missed much since ive been gone LOL im sooo just kidding *runs behind a tree*

yah kicking idiots' ass, thats funny, IF it was in person ^_^

Seriously, if this place gets strict again its going to be awful. Its noob this and noob that. Reprimand quickly and ignore the "Yeah, well you're a ____" comments afterwards Oh, and can we all just try to take the cursing and swearing down a notch? I remember getting warnings, PMs, and coming so very close to being outright BANNED for far less casual blueness.

But if you don't ignore them, then they end up telling their form tutor, and it's you who has the Sh*t kicked out of you by someone with a lot more power than you have.

Or, if they are strong Knobs, then I don't think you'll live to see another day.

(Asuming this is what schools are like all over the world)

I enjoy a public arse-kicking match as much as the next person (the spat between sligco and Dipstikk was fantastic ;) ) but it tends to spawn itself in other threads, I'd noticed. As in, one thread turns into a fight between two members, mods close it, so the argument is taken to another thread... and so on.

Soo... I'd have to side with the mods/"hippies". ;) Their job is hard enough as it is without having to decide which rule to apply to which thread, and which rule to ignore because it's all for the sake of "flaming the living hell out of the twats".

Please close this thread. Please.

Let the moderators judge if a thread should be closed or not. This thread isn't causing any harm.

Exactly. It's actually using wild unproven/unprovable theories as an excuse to flame someone. Right up there with using 9/11 as a reason to invade Iraq, using "the existance of god" as an excuse to harass someone into becoming a Jehova's witness, and refusing to play golf because you think you might get hit by lightning.

Congratulations on deflecting attention from my opinion and ideas for the forums by the way - you chose a great thread in which to change the subject to that of me being Reese. That's spectacularly effective way to insure that my ideas are ignored isn't it. After all we wouldn't want someone like me stirring up shit right? Right, only you guys are allowed to do that.

Yeah, freedom of speech is an illusion, only lasts for as long as people like what they hear, and if they start to hear something that they don't like, they try their very best to shut you down and brush it under the proverbial carpet. That's the problem with having idiots in positions of power. You don't like my opinion of this place? You don't like my ideas? Fine, just say so and I'm sure everyone will have a whale of a time not giving a shit. Those that do agree have their reasons, which they formed using their own minds. The people who believe in themselves aren't going to be held back by some two bit attempt to obstruct the debate, that's so shoddily assembled it might as well be held together with chewing gum, from someone who is obviously in the pocket of everyone else who's been parroting this "you're Reese" conspiracy bullshit ad nauseum. So don't insult our intelligence.

Now, as for the subject at hand, my opinions have been stated clearly enough. My opinions are not right or wrong, they are just opinions. If your opinions match mine, then good for you, maybe there might be some truth in them. If they don't, then it's either because it's convenient for you to take the opposite stance to me so that you can have an argument, or perhaps there isn't so much truth in it as there is room for opinion. Either way there are always the idiots who never contribute anything of worth or readability, who still manage to slip by because they "aren't doing anything wrong".

Right, that's my contribution for the week. Time to bugger off and get back to being "away".

Peace, we must have,a distubance in the force I feel. Yes newbies can be a pain, but newbies also look at us as tight-wads too. Seriously what it comes down to who is really making a big deal over the crap is us the older members. I mean how many little spits do we get into on the forums, just about one every day. What people need to see is words are more harsh then speaking to someone.

If you in person where messing around with someone and called them retarded they could tell you are joking by your tone of voice, if on the forums you respond to someone with "your a retard" they can't tell your kiding. That is why there are way more fights on forums then in person. Know to the part where I agree with Dino, yes there are newbies who join to make hell of everything cause they think it is funny, yet there are also newbies who don't know better, and we know Alcar can't take any of the blame for fights, he didn't start them, he is doing the best he can as a one man army, AbeBabe you too, considering you are on at different times.

I do believe that sheer crap that is put into threads can be punished through the example of being flamed a little just so they figure out that the choice they made was a bad one, but not to the point where they tell all their friends were a bunch a pricks, also someone who may be considering joining wouldn't find it welcoming for someone with 3 posts to have his block knocked off. But they should be flamed some just so they don't do it again (cause thats more affective, sad to say, then a polite letter asking them not to do it again.


Crap I wrote way to long again!

Garg, Odd Trusting, read the whole thread. Although I totally disagreed with Dino, at least I read his posts enough to understand he didn't mean just new members. He's made so many posts clearing that up, and if you cause him to make one more long-winded, ranty post about how no one understands him because of your post, I'm going to... well, do nothing. But I'm going to do nothing angrily! :|

Holy mother Mary's aborted fetus shishkebab!

Hell has actually frozen over!

I didn't mean to offend anyone if I did.

No, i don't think you did son. You did good. You did good.

Isn't the answer simple NO: why you ask?.

#1:We are trying to encourage people to join not get them out as soon as they come!

#2:It's god damn Mean!

#3:R ewe blind? that topic is spam it's self.

1: This thread has got nothing to do with people joining the forums or getting new members to go away.

2: Why? If someone acts like a prick, they should be treated like one should they not? It's only mean when people treat others like shit regardless of whether they're behaving or not.

3: Why is this topic spam? Why is it so convenient to just call everything that you don't like or disagree with "spam"? Alcar has already responded to this thread, and hasn't closed it for being "spam"...so are you questioning his judgement?