Gas blow back pistols are awful. They don't give consistant performance. They are finnicky, pissy little weapons that break all the damn time.
A spring loaded weapon on the other hand, gives the same performance each time. Any accurate shooter wouldn't need to pull the trigger more than once at his opponent. A good "springer" also never jams, and packs a very heavy punch when modified properly. All my spring loaded pistols have been given high tension springs, boosting their range and power a great deal. Gas blow backs not only need more ammo more often, they also need other consumables in order to function. And running out of gas in the middle of CQB aint good. When I run out of ammo, and need to kill someone fast, I use my MACH-10. I just spray them. |
your MAC-10 is gas though isnt it? i dont know of any other types.
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To be honest, as far as the MACH-10 is concerned, I wouldn't have it any other way. Gas really is the way to go for small SMGs. My MACH-10 is for people who get too close for comfort. If anyone comes too near me, they get sprayed with BBs. |
only if you can draw it fast enough though eh?
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Even thuogh I hate Halo: Im making a Halo Airsoft assault rifle
Using a P90 and alot of plastic and tubing... may take awhile. After that ill go onto teh pistol: Sig SP 2202 and some hand gaurds and such... ALSO: Can you give me tips for guns? Im trying to find a Benelli Sawed off butless and a Walter P99 or a Smoking Hole Grandmaster. |
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But I must say, I find your story about modifying a P90 into a HALO weapon somewhat... hard to beleive... |
Schweet. I've been browsing about online and found a couple of cool things:
Pulse Rifle Conversion kit(the one from aliens...) Mad Max shotgun (yeah.. the one in road warrior..) --------------------------------------------------- Pretty cool stuff.. No smoking hole grandmaster... but I found a auto Glock and a Remington M1100 Defender, Glock is gas- non blow back and the remington is blow back. And I saw some grenades. Cool shit... |
How can anyone hate halo? And grenades are cool...except when you throw them and they bounce off a tree and go off in your face and sending half a ton of stinking smoke in your face so you can't see what you are doing and you get shot.
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Airsoft sounds like a really fun hobby; I'm thinking of getting into it.
Any advice as far as beginners guns go? Like spring or gas, etc. Do they make like... I don't know, smoke grenades or anything like that? How about some Airsoft websites? (US based if they sell merchandise) |
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Good guns for beginners would be any long range spring rifle, and any short range spring pistol. Learn with those, have fights with your friends, do target practice, get used to using weapons etc. Then move on to automatic electric guns, and gas blowbacks. Some of the best AEGs are manufactured by Marui, who also do a nice, albiet short range of gas blowbacks. For information on smoke grenades, see www.airsoftcommunity.co.uk, who have a small section on pyrotechnics. |
back, at last.
SeaRex - you want to get started into Airsoft? first of all, good for you. Its a good but expensive hobbie. A good way to get started is to purchase a cheap but decent AEG (Automatic Electric Gun) with a big battery. I skipped this stage out, as i had the money to get a better gun, which i suppose was a bad idea, you have to run before you can walk! so, a good starter AEG would be the Heckler & Koch MP5A4, the solid stocked varient of the infamous SMG. These can be brought here Though, i'm not sure there is an American version of this site anymore. Failing that, try here They have good guns for cheap prices. You'll have to buy a battery for the gun, i'm not to sure on the prices of them, but they can be purchased at those two sites. A charger has to be brought too, again i'm not sure on the prices. A good charger to start off with is a simple trickle charger, cheap but slow. Another good starter gun would be the FAMAS, the G3 or the M16A1. All of these take the same battery and can be purchased at those sites. Abe's son - It will be VERY hard to make a MA5B from a P90, you would be much better off making it from a Styer AUG Civilain. These can be purchased in airsoft. They also can be reloaded in the same way as the MA5B. It'll take some hard work though. If your serious though, PM me and i'll show you some decent pics to help. hope i've helped you all there. |
http://groups.msn.com/redmistssliceo...to&PhotoID=266
thats the AUG converstion. http://groups.msn.com/redmistssliceo...to&PhotoID=268 thats the AUG civilian. It comes without a scope. |
Death and ferill, thanks for the advice.
Right now, I just have enough for a simple Mac 11 (spring) from a local shop, which should get me started. Apparently it has a good range considering the low price. I'm not planning on any "big" matches anytime soon, so just playing around with people in the neighborhood should tide me over until I can buy a AEG FAMAS (which I wanted to do in the first place, as the FAMAS was my favorite weapon in Rainbow Six 3... but I didn't have enough money) However, I do get a free Mini AEG MP5, which is very cool. I know it will suck batteries dry like a bitch, but it's still a neat little thing. |
Hmm, SeaRex I suggest you ignore ferills advice (sorry ferill, but it's the typically shit airsoft advice that tripped me up and made me fall when I first started). Getting a good weapon that fires well is your first priority.
I suggest you avoid the Mach 11 spring weapon altogether, and get a good spring pistol instead. Doesn't matter what kind, any will do, so long as it has a really solid action, and fires accurately. Once you have your pistol, and have gotten used to it, get a rifle. Again, any kind. The m16 and m4 are the two most popular types, along with the AK47, and G36c (even though this is a bull pup). Go for m16, as it is the biggest range, and has the most quality invested into it. The FAMAS is a french army rifle, and is good for short range skirmishes. Since short range skirmishing with bull pups is the shittest form of airsoft (oversized fast firing pistols), you'd be better off getting a rifle that can handle both long and short range. When you think about it, this is much better than, for instance, forking $250 for a weapon that in the end, only restricts you. Do avoid bull pups unless you are seriously into CQB. I hate it, I hate it with avengeance, because it is so close quatered, and there are so many bbs in the air, that you just get killed within seconds of play, and end up having to spend the rest of the game dead. It's talentless, inaccurate, frenzied, unskilled bb-peppering, and annoys the heck out of me. Your best bet, would be getting into long range, with heavyweight bbs and guns. They go further, and require more skill and accuracy, as well as stealth. They also hurt more at short range (yay!). Long range fights also give you a better excuse for wearing camo. An m16, with full stock, auto and semi, 20 round mag, as many metal parts as possible, and good, big, batteries is your best bet. Since the m16 is so popular, there are loads of things that you can buy for it, as well as loads of different quality levels to buy into in terms of the whole gun. Look out for mostly metal parts, and crosshair/scope compatability. Marui are god. They are the ferrari of Airsoft. Worship them, for they are wise and powerful. In turn, while you are worshipping, instead of spending, your bank will fill up, and you may purchase from the wise masters of plasticated gun violence. In other words, save up your yen! Remember, pistol + rifle = good. smg + bull pup = bad. |
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the FN P90 is a bullpup smg, so i take it from your overpowering gun wisdom that is bad? There are no metal M-16's. But you can get an M-15 made by Classic Army. they make quality metal airsoft guns. Also i think they would have a bigger mag capacity then 20 rounds. Only the bb-cartridge ones have 20 round mags. How the **** is a G36c a bullpup! Bullpup means the magazine is behind the trigger. The only exception is with the FN P90 and the G11, in those cases the mag is located on the top of the gun, but its still classed as a bullpup. Anyway, good advice though. I'm planning on getting an M-16/M203 for those SAS moments....... |
Heres what i've been trying to get:
Glock 18 (spring with auto and possibly an extended clip) Im also trying to find the G11(This almost replaced the M 16... this is my favorite weapon, both because of the look and the general awsomeness..) Im not gonna fork over $700 for the pulse rifle kit(even though its awsome... its a Marui too...) But whats something decent other than the ones already mentioned... |
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That missing item is a REAL RIFLE. You better get used to the fact that you aren't going to hit anybody more than 9 meters away with one of your guns unless you are very lucky. Now, onto the M16... There are MANY variants of the M-16 rifle. There are several that have plenty of metal parts, and most have metal barrels. You are correct in saying that there are no full-metal versions, but I never suggested such in the first place. My Sig Sauer, my trusty pistol with solid action that breaks cans and plastic with ease, holds 20 rounds max. The mag is roughly the same length as my M4A1, which only ever gets given 20 rounds. I don't know about you, but I go for realism, and in real life, you'd be lucky to get any more than 20 rounds in a NATO mag that size. Now, not every self proclaimed "airsoft expert" knows what he is talking about. And beleive me, that advice you gave was a load of rubbish, and it was the same kind of rubbish that I ran into when I was first starting. Yes, I do own an smg, a really ****ing uber maxed out P90, but I'd never own a standard joe blow boring one without any upgrades or mods. "Oh look, there is a person over there, better shoot him! Oh damn, I've missed, guess he must be more than a meter in front of me then." Longer barrels and heavier BBs make for better weapons. Take my PSG-1 for example, that gun can sling a brass BB over 40 meters and still hit accurately. Accuracy falloff for that weapon is 30 meters with standard BBs, and 45 meters with brass BBs. Most your little bull-pup smgs and gas blow-back pistols can only do 10 meters at best, on a good day, down hill, with favourable winds. Gas blow back pistols are fine, so long as you dont mind relying on a weapon that needs two types of consumables. "BANG BaNg Bang bang" your weapon will loose its punch after a while, and eventually not be able to fire at all. |
Um, I think no one cares, but...
I tried airsofting once! :) ...and it hurt! ...it was still fun though^^ |
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I stalk you and your handbag. Yes. :| |
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Well---yeah^^, but I had gun too... ...so maybe it wasn't official airsofting, but it was close enough. Okay, I'll shut up now. |
Again, thanks for the advice people. I'm looking into a decent Desert Eagle spring pistol, which is the same price as the Mac 11 spring.
Actually, the possibility of CQB was what interested me in the first place. With paintball, you have to go to some designated paintball feild. With airsoft, Hell, you can just play in someone's house... as long as they don't mind the little BBs. :D My brother (who only occasionly blows his money on skateboarding) is investing in a M16 spring, so I'll at least have a chance to get the feel of a rifle while I'm saving up. The great thing about the Airsofters in my neighborhood is that they're always glad to let someone borrow their weapon. I believe there is a G3A3, G36c, UHC Super 9, M16A1, Super 368, and several pistols in the "community pot." |
i'm seriously staring to see how all these arguments start... but i'm not going to argu, i'm just going to stay out of it. I'm newish to airsoft anyway.
Abe's Son. You wont find an airsoft G11 for a long time. One guy in Tokyo made a custom one, but i dont think hes selling it. and ya cant get automatic spring guns either... Death, so of us dont have the money to get a ****ing uber max out P90, some of us have to settle for the basics and build on that later on. How does the G36c fire differently from a rifle? It uses the same ammuntion as an M-16, 5.56. I'm asking this in a friendly way, not sarcasticly. you can top up gas in a GBB very easly, and the gas can last for quite a while. Word of warning to people, a silencer does not improve accuracy. |
i'm going to put up my dream airsoft armoury, just for the hell of it.
CQB: Primary: FN P90TR (with supressor, Sling and red dot sight) Secondary: GLock 19 (with TAC light) 3 BB grenades 4 spare P90 magazines 4 spare Glock 19 magazines Woodland: Primary: G36C (with red dot sight, supressor, and extended barrel, this give me more range, with the barrel being hidden by the supressor) Secondary: Glock 18C Tertiary: Styre TMP 3 BB grenades 2 smokes 6 spare G36C magazines 4 spare TMP magazines (these will be more expensive then the gun!) 4 Spare Glock 18C magazines 2 50rnd Glock 18C magazines "FISH" (Fighting In Someones House) Primary: M4A1 BOYS Secondary: Glock 19 again 5 spare M4A1 BOYS magazines 4 spare Glock 19 magazines |
*jealous*
I was looking on some UK sites... no fair. You guys have such a huge variety of airsoft stuff. Merka is stuck with such a limited supply. I mean, I can't even find a decent Merkan site that sells Marui guns. :( |
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Nifty!
For some reason, I can't get on that Red wolf site. On either computer. I've tried before, it just won't load. But those other sites are great... wonder why I never came across them before. |
for some reason you have to get rid of your pop up blocker to get onto redwolf, which is weird, cause they dont have any pop ups. Anyway, Redwolf have the cheapest prices in the US.
Since Death isnt here to be a dick head.... buy a FAMAS to start off with, see how you like it. If you dont like it, tell me, and i'll find someone to buy it off you. for a pistol the best i can get in the UK is a Glock 19, but you can do better! http://www.airsoft-war4.com/w4_handg...=TANAKA&page=1 buy either a browning BD or a USP i so badly want that browning, i've been looking for an airsoft one for ages, wish i could buy stuff rom the states. How much would s&h cost? |
^^Sorry bout that Death, your not a dickhead^^
I got new ideas. I'm gonna buy a Red Dot Sight I found on Ebay for £8.00!!! Slap that on me P90, and give it a sling. Thats that done. G36C - I'll get a CA G36E handguard kit, put that on, and buy a CA Red Dot Sight (due t its coolness on a G36) I'll consnantly be on the look out for a G36K handguard though.... MP5A4 - I'll get one of these, put a flashlight handguard on, and give it a CA Red Dot Sight. (CA sights look good on all H&K guns) SA-80 - This will be the hardest thing to do, and most expensive. It'll probably be in a few years so i can go and see Death and get him to help me. Anyway, get a springer SA-80, make it a semi/auto gas powered rifle. Thats right, GAS! |
G36C is nice. I want to make a cutom built G36C sniper rifle - give it a PSG-1 trigger mechanism, TASCO scope, extended barrel, and modify it to take single shot gas-shells. I could probably get a good 50 meter range with metal BBs.
FAMAS is also a nice bullpup, but very short and ideally suited to CQB. Same goes for P90. A better first gun for all-rounding is the Marui M-16, since it is long enough to act as a good ranged rifle, and has the automatic fire for CQB. It allows you to take part in nearly all types of airsoft battle without switching weapons. It's up to you, but I really think you would be better off with an assault rifle rather than a bullpup smg/rifle. |
I'm not that familiar with the airsoft range, I just get cheap ones off Airsplat.com.
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With the CA kit, the barrel length will go up, making it a good rifle to use in woodland. For CQB i've got a P90. The MP5A4 and gas powered SA-80 were mostly for novelty, but would use the SA-80 in woodland, MP5A4 in CQB.
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You could always thread the muzzle and screw on a SOCOM silencer.
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Naw, dont want one of those. I want it to have a really cool flash hider. (The secret is, i ****ing hate threading muzzles, takes forever)
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Yeah you ideally need a metal workshop. We've got one at our airsoft club, and we're eternally thankful for it. All thanks to membership fees. :D
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I dont have on at my Airsoft club, we do have a custome gun workshop though, i should have a good look in there one day.
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We use ours to machine replacement parts in metal by copying the original part. And also to re-barrel our guns with metal ones.
Helps get a better weight and longer or shorter barrel should we so choose. |