Whoa! That freaks me out too!:eek: Just to clear things up...I'm religious, but I'm not a weirdo like that. I practice more of a reverent belief system.

-oddguy :fuzcool:

I am a Roman Catholic, and I believe still pretty strongly in God and Jesus. However, I do have my disagreements with certain aspects of my faith, and I also have my own interpretations on many things.

I also am very open to new ideas, and generally am very accepting towards anyone with different beliefs, etc.

'I don't think Jacob is actually suggesting that Religions only consist of fruitcakes and raving lunatics.'

No, i'm just saying that you do get some who are like the above. Once again i am left pointing the finger at America. The Religious people here in England will have fun and rock with pre-marital shenanigans and alcohol because they believe that God will not judge them on what they do/say/act. But judge them on whats inside and if they're a good person then they'll be allowed to Heaven. Which is how i think God would be. All you American people get so hung up on materialistic things such as how you do certain tasks. I bet God doesn't even give a f*ck - so long as you haven't done anything majorly bad.

I quite agree.

On the face of it, God only asks that you try to be a good person. That you do not harm yourself intentionally, and harm others intentionally. Mankinds' interperetation of religion has always had this very primitive worship concept. To quite a lot of christians, worship IS religion - but this in very many respects is not what Jesus taught his followers. He taught them that people do not worship for god, they worship for themselves, to help find god within themselves.

I personally see religion as a way of life. The christian religion is supposed to be a peaceful, loving way of life, that makes allowances for human error. Worship is only just one part of christianity.

I remember someone once telling me: "Fellow man is just as important as God, for fellow man is Gods creation, a creation that should be respected if man is to respect God." I can remember it having an impact on the way I saw things in religion. It was from then on clear to me that to serve god, I had to respect his creation as much as I respected him, and this has been how I've taken christianity ever since, even though I don't consider myself "christian".

Yeah, drinking strychine and frothing at the mouth isn't even close to mainline. Or sane. So, Death, you've seen some bizarre Christian sects, big deal. There are plenty of bizarre cults in other religions. Basically, the whole sex thing is horrible. It's become a mine field. I agree on Rhodes, after sex its all about the scrubbin' and prayin'. Getting pregnant or painful and embarrassing diseases for 8 minutes of fun doesn't seem worth it to me.

Big deal? Being about 5 or 8 years old at the time, I consider it a big deal. Seeing what were previously perfectly normal, capable teenagers, sitting in a circle and saying prayers, then suddenly going insane for a brief period of time, I consider it a big deal.

This is supposed to be christianity remember. I specifically take point on the fact that in no passage of the Bible are there suggestions that you should pray till you flop over and start babbling, frothing at the mouth, or crying/laughing uncontrollably. I consider it a big deal that somehow a church community can get it hammered into their heads that this behaviour somehow has something to do with christianity.

Saying no to sex is, well, it's wise. It reduces the risk of you catching anything. Probably the only reason that sex is a sin, is because God is trying to protect us from accidental pregnancies and whatnot. It's not like sex is really SO bad. Murder, rape, paedophilia, vandalism, theft etc. to me appear far worse than having consensual sex.

There is a time and a place for sex - whether it be for the purpose of reproduction or not. One night stands, and heartless ****ing are not that time or place. Probably the reason why the good lord endowed each and every one of us with the ability to wank. (LOL)

That freaks me out. People acting as if they're possessed animals. I myself am really against that not only because it's weird, but an experience my mom had as a child. She was visiting a church when she was about 8 years old. All of the sudden, the pastor started screaming and saying that someone in the chapel was unclean. He went to the seats and grabbed my mom and was going to do who knows what, but my grandmother got my mom out of there.

Those are all good reasons I take into account with descision to wait on sex. Also, I'm waiting because I want to dedicate myself to my future wife.

-oddguy

Just on what Oddguy said up there i'm wondering if he'll re-marry if he gets divorced? And he says losing your Virginity should be done to the person you're going to spend the rest of your life with - and its a waste if you do sleep with someone before marriage. But what if that marriage ends up in divorce? Is it still a waste?

And lets remember people, i [nor many of my kind] can't wait 'til i'm married because we're discriminated against in Church. So...i'm damned if i do and i'm damned if i don't. Yeh, praise the Lord(!)

Saving yourself for marriage is a crock, and if you choose someone who'd freak out over your past sexual experiences do 3 things.
1. Reconsider why you're marrying this person
2. Rent Chasing Amy.
3. Repeat step number 1.

Ah jeez, so much to reply about!

As for the sex thing, I agree with Oddguy the most. I've known sex to be a sacred thing that should only be shared between a man and his wife... the bond of holy matrimony makes it sacred, I believe. In regards to Jacob's recent post, I don't see divorce as an option for myself as a christian, so I have to be careful who I choose. I was raised in a christian family and I think I know enough to comment on the post of the people acting out of control in church; it's my understanding that behavior like that is a sign of being possessed by the holy spirit and all that good stuff, though I haven't experienced it myself, but I know people who have. I don't see what's so wrong with it as other people here do, but everyone has their own beliefs and opinions..

What the hell are you lot babbling about? He said a few minutes, not friggin' hours. The only difference I see with now, and this supposed, is a 'quickie' might not be so.

EDIT: And why does Oddworld attract so many Christians? Seriously, most of you live life to the lame.

I'd say the Christian and non Christian level is about the same.

-oddguy :fuzcool:

Oddworld Inhabitants is situated in America...America is situated in the vat of Holy secretion. Hence the Holyness.

Once again somebody religious has proven my point. Greenangel has to wait to make sure that the person he marries is the same person he will spend eternity with because if he gets divorced then there is a chance of him going to Hell. He has a fear. Religion is supposed to comfort us, not strike us with fear. He will not live his life to the full because of this fear. Whereas i, and others like me, will rock on in the sense that we have nothing to fear...

Whats the point in doing all of the guidelines anyway? Gods going to accept us if we have goodness in our Hearts, which is what everyone has. Everybody has an ounce of goodness in them, even if they mask it under hatred. Osama Bin Laden believes what he made happen was going to help people, and thus he's going to be with all you Christian lot anyway...

I say that people should not wait for the "special someone." Instead, they should get some guts, marry someone they like, and stick it out. But no, nowadays everyone is such a pussy when it comes to marriage. Look at old married people, you don't think that they're relationships were in the crapper at one point or another? Think again, brother. But instead of punking out they dug deep down within themselves and made it WORK.

'you don't think that they're relationships were in the crapper at one point or another? Think again, brother. But instead of punking out they dug deep down within themselves and made it WORK.'

Thats because their families would have disowned them if they did get divorced. Because only men could divorce their wives. Because they were all religious.

I think jacob made a very good suggestion about if you are a good person you would be accepted into heaven anyway, but Bin laden wouldn't. And if England did turn into the U.S. I would probably go live in Australia and torment Heretic. :fuzzle:

'but Bin laden wouldn't.'

If he believes what he is doing is good and doesn't have any malicious intentions and wants fairness for his people and believes this is the only way to get it then yes, yes he will.

I don't think Jacob can judge who can go to heaven or not. That's for a higher power to decide.

-oddguy :fuzcool:

We can assume though. If God lets people in Heaven and those people have good Hearts and good intentions then we can easily assume that all murderers, rapists, terrorists and paedophiles etc who genuinely believed what they were doing was right and didn't know that what they were doing was bad then they would go to Heaven.

god cant expect us to just do exactally what he wants. He knew what he was doing when he gave us freedom. I guess he can be very forgiving, so i totally agree with Jacob.

NO! BIN LADEN WOULD NOT GET IN FOR WHAT HE DID TO THE WORLD TRADE CENTER!! HA HA HA! I'M RIGHT YOUR WRONG! STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT! :fuzgrin: :fuzmad: :fuzsmile:

Jacob, it happens nowadays too. I really don't have much sympathy for people who pussy out of marriages quickly. Bin Laden wouldn't go to Heaven. Suicide and murder are huge taboos in Islam, its an automatic ticket to Hell if you're an unrepentant suicider or murderer. Just because someone BELIEVES something is kosher doesn't mean it is. For instance, if in my mind I thought it to be pure and praiseworthy to rape someone's sister and then kill her by smacking her 69 times in the face with a titanium dildo that doesn't mean it is pure or praiseworthy.

'I really don't have much sympathy for people who pussy out of marriages quickly.'

It would've happened loads back in the early 1900's if people weren't so fearful of what society would say or what would happen when they died. Quite a few marriages where shams anyway because the husband was Gay.

'Just because someone BELIEVES something is kosher doesn't mean it is.'

No, which is obvious by the example you gave. But in terms of Religion the line becomes blurred. Osama Bin Laden believes so much that if he "helps" his country fight against America and give them some of their own medicine then he will go to his Heaven. The Suicide Bombers also believe that they are doing their Gods work and fighting the "evil" that is the Americans.

Sure, their actions may be totally screwed up, but their Hearts are in the right place. They want to help their country and they feel as if they're doing right. The same thing happens in Christianity and Catholicism. There's so much hate in both of these Religions, yet because their Religion is the "true" one and they love their God, they will still go to Heaven.

Its a shame that when people think of Satanism they automaticly think "Virgin Sacrifices. Goat Sacrifices. Badness." because when it comes down to it, if i ever have kids i would much rather my children be apart of that then Christianity or Catholicism anyday. Atleast Satanism is accepting, bar the stupid people, whereas Christianity and Catholicism do their damndest to make everybody believe they are correct.

On a seperate note - if Angels didn't have freewill, then how the Hell did they rebel? Surely you need freewill to go against your creator.

I don't know how many times I'm gonna have to say this, but murder and suicide are BIG MOTHER****ING NO-NOS in Islam.
Anyhow, you can't say that just because someone thinks its right its right or because it is their religion thats right. What if it was my religion to kill innocent bystanders while eating puppy fetuses and I sincerely thought that this would bring about the destruction of all evilness and the fulfillment of various religious prophecies and promises? It doesn't sanctify it or make it correct.

Don't ask me to explain it, but somebody on this forum said that if your Heart is pure then you will go to Heaven. Somebody may do something thats immensly bad otherwise, but because they believe its okay, their Heart is pure...and thus...Heavenness.

No, they can only achieve it through repentance. That how it is with the Big Three Monotheistic religions. In other religions that believe in reincarnation you come back as a crappy animal like a pubic mite or tapeworm or get damned straight to their version of Hell.

Once again, don't take it up with me. Take it up with the person who stated this.