Oddworld Forums

Oddworld Forums (http://www.oddworldforums.net/index.php)
-   Off-Topic Discussion (http://www.oddworldforums.net/forumdisplay.php?f=9)
-   -   Morality may be taught in schools as part of sex education (http://www.oddworldforums.net/showthread.php?t=4965)

pinkgoth2 05-07-2002 06:02 AM

:

Originally posted by Sydney
Statikk, lol. I like black jelly-babies, and I believe eating red jelly-babies is immoral. Is there an absolute standard of morals in regards to jelly-babies? Shall we assume I'm right and you're wrong, and that you enjoy red jelly-babies? You're a sinner!
Gasp! How dare you promote the black jelly-babies! They're evil! ;)


- TyA

Statikk HDM 05-07-2002 06:56 PM

This is odiophra. Neither condemned nor commanded. So what I ask is "Is sex education a good idea?" The conclusion I reach is no. It supports things many find to be repulsive and immoral, is relativistic and servees no purpose in a school. It should not be in the curriculum, thats a joke. To say that lteaching how to put a condom on is useful so Pete can put one on and bang his girlfriend/boyfriend is good thing, whereas making standards higher, requiring more math and more science to be mandatory and actually look at someone's SAT score and grades before letting them pass is "wrong" is ludicrous.

Gluk Schmuck 05-07-2002 07:18 PM

:

Originally posted by Statikk HDM
1. It supports things many find to be repulsive and immoral

2. is relativistic and servees no purpose in a school.

3. To say that lteaching how to put a condom on is useful so Pete can put one on and bang his girlfriend/boyfriend is good thing, whereas making standards higher, requiring more math and more science to be mandatory and actually look at someone's SAT score and grades before letting them pass is "wrong" is ludicrous.

1. These people are idiots if they find sex immoral.

2. It lowers the amount of unwanted pregnancys.

3. If Pete can't put a condom on then he is more likely to make somebody pregnant by accident and more likely to transmit STIs.

Jacob 05-07-2002 07:26 PM

I dont get that...was that Stad trying to be sarcastic? Or was he being serious?

Gluk Schmuck 05-07-2002 07:50 PM

:

Originally posted by Jacob
I dont get that...was that Stad trying to be sarcastic? Or was he being serious?
Half the time I don't know what he's saying nevermind whether he's being sarcastic or not.

Statikk HDM 05-07-2002 10:35 PM

Stats about "education" lowering pregnancy? Where did stats go, Here stats, stats, stats, don't hide, show yourself! You know its really odd, but stats usually doesn't show himself around here often, especially when stats is mentioned. What friggin' stats!

Gluk Schmuck 05-08-2002 12:23 PM

:

Originally posted by Statikk HDM
Stats about "education" lowering pregnancy? Where did stats go, Here stats, stats, stats, don't hide, show yourself! You know its really odd, but stats usually doesn't show himself around here often, especially when stats is mentioned. What friggin' stats!
A prime example.

Jacob 05-08-2002 04:21 PM

:

This is odiophra. Neither condemned nor commanded. (1)So what I ask is "Is sex education a good idea?" (2)The conclusion I reach is no.(3) It supports things many find to be repulsive and immoral,(4) is relativistic and servees no purpose in a school. (5)It should not be in the curriculum,(6) thats a joke.(7) To say that lteaching how to put a condom on is useful so Pete can put one on and bang his girlfriend/boyfriend is good thing, whereas making standards higher, requiring more math and more science to be mandatory and actually look at someone's SAT score and grades before letting them pass is "wrong" is ludicrous.
(1) - And, do we care what you "Ask"!?...Nope

(2) - Hey...thats the same conclusion i met with the above!! (Surprising enuff!!)

(3) - The people who find it 'Repulsive' and 'Immoral' are the people who cant get any and when they do its missionary style all the time. They may also be old...since sex was a 'taboo' subject in the past. Also thats fecking ludricous...wot retard thinks its 'Immoral'!! let alone repulsive!

(4) - If you had my family you would be thinking diff...my family never taught me about sex...thankfully i had skool and my frends to fill me in. Do u kn0 how embarassing it is to not know what 'Shagging' is when your in yr 4 upwards!!

(5) - Freak.

(6) - Im glad you are.

(7) - And if that kid 'Pete' didn't put one on he would either get her pregnant or catch something. Its a good thing to teach this, although most teens know EVERYTHING about sex from a early age...such as myself. And what do you mean by 'Making standards higher'? Science shouldn't be mandatory, maths should however. I will explain later...i am tired and need alkohol...goodbye

Statikk HDM 05-09-2002 10:31 PM

Frikkin' aye! I'm a freak! Well, i refuse to go haywire and call you a bunch of names, that only takes me to your level.

Sydney 05-10-2002 06:26 AM

Statikk does have a point though, although I wonder if I'm correct in determining what his point may be.

Is it possible that sex education encourages children to become sexually active earlier? I'm sure it certainly raises a student's curiosities. Personally, I don't think high school students should be sexually active until the last two years of high school - at the earliest.

pinkgoth2 05-10-2002 11:50 AM

:

Originally posted by Sydney
Personally, I don't think high school students should be sexually active until the last two years of high school - at the earliest.
Why do you think that? What's the reason behind it? *wondering*

Also, I'd think not telling people about it makes them more curious. I myself am more curious about things I know the term of and nothing else. *shrug*


- TyA

Gluk Schmuck 05-10-2002 12:22 PM

:

Originally posted by Sydney
Is it possible that sex education encourages children to become sexually active earlier? I'm sure it certainly raises a student's curiosities.
If I know everything about a subject then I'm not curious. If I know nothing about a subject then I'm not curious. If I know a little about a subject, I'm often curious.
And children will hear things from their friends and will know a little about a subject. Tell them everything and they won't be curious enough to have sex to satisfy their curiosity.

Sydney 05-10-2002 12:41 PM

Something like sex can hardly be thrown in the same barrel as "every other subject". I don't think curiosity about sex is something that subsides merely when one is told about it. If a class is taught about chocolate; it's flavour, history, methods of production, etc, it makes more sense that they will want to taste it. Simple descriptions wont be enough, I'm afraid. Your logic doesn't seem to work here, Gluk Schmuck.

:

Why do you think that? What's the reason behind it? *wondering*
I just don't think having sex id something that kids of that age should be dealing with. There are more important things to be working at when you're that age. Whatever happened to the time when being children meant being children?

Jacob 05-10-2002 04:21 PM

:

I just don't think having sex id something (1)that kids of that age should be dealing with. (2)There are more important things to be working at when you're that age. (3)Whatever happened to the time when being children meant being children?
(1) - What age? 12-14?

(2) - Tell the kids who are overly 'active' that.

(3) Those times have been burnt to sinders since Satan wrapped his cruel claws around the childrens hearts and burned their innocence out of them...

I was in yr 4 when i can actually remember it coming into convo. I dont think it was full scale sex talk but i remember talking about it odd times. Then more in yr 6 as we learned what 'Virgin' meant and sex was a sorded thing that had to be laughed and sniggered at. Then yr 8 were i sat with a group of lads and lass' talking about it (Cant divulge th0...id get banned) then more and more. Now im in yr 11 its like "Yeh...sex...sure id like it. But i aint too bothered about it." Others however still have a mental age of a yr 6 and think its sumat to be laughed about etc which is sad. Really, sex ed doesn't provoke early sexual activity. It has been said teens are hitting puberty quicker and peer pressure is one of the biggest things. That and alkohol.

pinkgoth2 05-10-2002 07:12 PM

:

Originally posted by Jacob
[...] (3) Those times have been burnt to sinders since Satan wrapped his cruel claws around the childrens hearts and burned their innocence out of them... [...]
WHOOHOO! SATAN! All the way, man! You go! You did it! Wow!

...

I'm sane. Really.


- TyA

Jacob 05-11-2002 10:49 AM

:

WHOOHOO! SATAN! All the way, man! You go! You did it! Wow!

That was relativly amusing. How old are u?

(Non-Sarky)

pinkgoth2 05-11-2002 12:01 PM

:

Originally posted by Jacob
That was relativly amusing. How old are u?

(Non-Sarky)

17. And I plan to remain as insane as I am for the rest of my life.


- TyA

Jacob 05-11-2002 12:11 PM

Kewl. U got n e foto's?

pinkgoth2 05-11-2002 12:17 PM

:

Originally posted by Jacob
Kewl. U got n e foto's?
If you really want to bother. *rolls eyes* v_v

http://profiles.yahoo.com/pinkgoth2


- TyA

Danny 05-12-2002 04:09 PM

:

Originally posted by Sydney
I just don't think having sex id something that kids of that age should be dealing with. There are more important things to be working at when you're that age. Whatever happened to the time when being children meant being children?
The whole idea of "Childhood" only came into existence in the late 19th/early 20th century. Compared to the amount of time before then, it's hardly something to get nostalgic about...

Statikk's point seems to be that, since certain people would be offended by Sex Ed, it shouldn't be taught. I think that this is the wrong way to reason here. There is nothing immoral or offensive about sex, and those who believe that there is are the ones who are most in need of education about it.

As far as "encouraging teenagers to have sex" goes, I am going to have to go out on a limb here and say that I don't think that that is necessarily a bad thing. I'm not saying that it's a good thing, but I don't think that sex in itself is ever a bad thing. The bad things are disease and unwanted pregnancy, and children are told about the risks of these and how to overcome them in Sex Ed. In fact, I don't believe that Sex Ed encourages Sex at all (whether or not that would be a bad thing). In my experience, Sex Ed lessons are very clinical and purely informative. They don't make it seem exciting or fun (it's learning about it in the playground that does that), it just teaches them how to do if more safely.

Statikk HDM 05-12-2002 06:23 PM

I agree with Syd's hypothesis, but my main point is Don't these damn kids have some learning to do? You drill the kids, you test 'em, you do some fun entertainment shiznit in between. That is the way I'm comfortable with school. Schools should be about learning. Now, you can argue about the real value of sex ed., which I believe to be absolutely zilch, but that ain't the point. The point is, kids have more important things to ponder and learn

Danny 05-12-2002 06:45 PM

Statikk, could you please point out the post where somebody said that learning things wasn't important? I'll save you the trouble of answering, because there isn't one. You've just taken a reasonable proposition that none of us disagrees with, and used it to defend an unreasonable and unconnected one.

Kids have many things that are important to learn. Sex Education is one of them. Would you kindly enlighten me as to why Sex Ed and Maths (for example) are mutually exclusive?

pinkgoth2 05-13-2002 11:24 AM

:

Originally posted by Danny
Statikk, could you please point out the post where somebody said that learning things wasn't important? I'll save you the trouble of answering, because there isn't one. You've just taken a reasonable proposition that none of us disagrees with, and used it to defend an unreasonable and unconnected one.

Kids have many things that are important to learn. Sex Education is one of them. Would you kindly enlighten me as to why Sex Ed and Maths (for example) are mutually exclusive?

If I understand Statikk correctly, he does not say it is mutually exclusive and certainly is not implying it the way you have twisted it to look like. I think he is pointing out time is wasted in the 'unimportance' (you can argue about that, I really don't care either way) of sex ed which could be used to teach kids something more impotant.

That's how I understand it. If it applies, "You've just taken a reasonable proposition that none of us disagrees with, and used it to defend an unreasonable and unconnected one." does not.

Just pointing it out. *RUNS away from the crossfire*


- TyA

Statikk HDM 05-13-2002 01:33 PM

I see no reason why sex ed is so hyped. It is quite pointless. Look at who started this absolute craziness, Planned Parenthood. Who as I understand teaches this philosophy, "Before you have wild, wanton sex with as many partners as you can, always put on the magical condom. You know, the thing that was around when Lincoln was president, won't stop a pregnancy every one out of every ten times, offers very little protection from many diseases and so forth. And if the might latex savior, the condom, doesn't work, have an abortion. I mean, all you have to do is pay us for one and we will gladly perform one for a low cost.
Come on, we need to perform abortions after sex ed falls flat on its face. If we stopped performing abortions we would go out of business. How do you think we make money? With sex ed? Are you out of your mind?"

Danny 05-14-2002 07:28 PM

:

Originally posted by pinkgoth2
If I understand Statikk correctly, he does not say it is mutually exclusive and certainly is not implying it the way you have twisted it to look like. I think he is pointing out time is wasted in the 'unimportance' (you can argue about that, I really don't care either way) of sex ed which could be used to teach kids something more impotant.

That's how I understand it. If it applies, "You've just taken a reasonable proposition that none of us disagrees with, and used it to defend an unreasonable and unconnected one." does not.

I think you underestimate Statikk's ability to be unreasonable...

:

Originally posted by Statikk HDM
I see no reason why sex ed is so hyped. It is quite pointless.
Well, I'm sure we'd all agree with you that the teenage pregnancy rate is far too low, so it would be a great idea to remove the one thing that is keeping it this low...

:

Look at who started this absolute craziness, Planned Parenthood. Who as I understand teaches this philosophy, "Before you have wild, wanton sex with as many partners as you can, always put on the magical condom.
Sounds reasonable to me... :D

:

You know, the thing that was around when Lincoln was president, won't stop a pregnancy every one out of every ten times,
You know how much I distrust Statistics, but if you must insist on using them, please get them right. Condoms have been shown to be effective in almost 100% of cases (between 99.5% and 100%), which, in my opinion, gives better odds than not using one...

:

offers very little protection from many diseases and so forth.
See above. Similar statistics apply.

:

And if the might latex savior, the condom, doesn't work, have an abortion.
Don't dig that one up... Just because you lost the Abortion argument last time doesn't mean we need to have it again...

:

I mean, all you have to do is pay us for one and we will gladly perform one for a low cost.
Come on, we need to perform abortions after sex ed falls flat on its face.

Do you have any concept of how many pregnancies sex ed prevents? You have to let the odd one go, come on...

:

If we stopped performing abortions we would go out of business. How do you think we make money? With sex ed? Are you out of your mind?"
Now we're getting onto the issue of the NHS, which is a totally different minefield...

Jacob 05-15-2002 05:46 PM

Stad, Stat woteva ur sodding name is. Quiet. Ok, your gonna lose in this argument mainly due to the fact your a dense twat and Danny has knowledge over your arrogance.

Statikk HDM 05-16-2002 08:37 PM

Ok, I give up Jacob, you have purged me from my denseness and arrogance. But I thought you were leaving. What, fifteen minutes was too much for you to stand? Bite me.

Jacob 05-16-2002 09:04 PM

No...you see, i was leaving for that moment. As...i was coming off the net to speak to a friend. If you read my 2nd post you would of realised that i posted that fact. And why would i bite you, i dont even know what you look like!!