Pink, can we agree to disagree, and never talk about it again, please? My brain's starting to hurt...
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Just thought you'd all like to know this. I's a lovely metaphor.
When I was 11, my religious studies teacher told me: "Religion is a mountain. The God sits at the top, and all the religions encircle the base. They can all see the God, but they cannot see each other." I think that sums up all the different religions very nicely. |
Sorry this is late coming. I am a Christian but I don't believe in God, It's a lot more wierd than the other stuff. Strangely though I believe in Jesus, but I wonder about his Real father. This makes me question my beliefs about God, I just got back from a week at a Christian adventure centre they had some pretty good points about God. So my wondering continues.
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Uh oh... the 'ol religous debate... didn't this get to be a 70+ response on the ezBoard.
Anyway, I'm not really one for debate, so I'll just give my view on my beliefs, etc. I'm a Christian, and I believe in both God and Jesus. However, there are some things that I am totally not sure about ... like who created God, and where do the Dinosaurs fit in ... and I think that when God created the Earth... it was not 7 days as we know it, but one of God's days could have been like 100 years in our days. There's also some other stuff I have my own opinion on. Also, I don't go to church... I used to when I was younger, but my parents don't go anymore either. I don't think that you have to go to church to believe in God and be a Christian. As long as you accept Jesus as your savior, etc. Some churches like to say that you have to go to church to be saved and all of that... and I don't agree w/ that. Also some chruches are contradictory to the bible and other things, so therefore I don't really think they are that good. I think maybe that some of the youth churches are good... as they can get young people to become Christian... but that's another point. What I do hate is tele-evangelists... especially the ones that take all your money... like they get up on stage in all their fine clothes and jewellery and flash sets, and then at the end of the programme they say to buy book number 100 of a 500 set ... or cassette number 56 or a 200 set. It's not hard to tell where all the money is going. Not all tele-evangelists are bad though... like there's this guy in Australia and he gets up on a stage with no props in jeans and a shirt and doesn't even ask for a donation. Well that's my view. Abe Babe... |
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Yeah, you don't have to go to church in order to believe in God. As long as you follow the five steps of salvation: hear the word, believe, confess, be baptize in the holy ghost, repent. But you are not going to touch the radio on the church channel and expect to be save. It does'nt work that way. But once you believe iN jesus Christ being the son of God, you really can't go back. I mean, yeah, some people in church can be hypocritical but you can't expect christians to be perfect. No one is. Only Jesus is perfect. That's why God sent him down to die for us, because he loves us so much, in order to put a place in heaven where he is. You will understand God through the bible. He's not a bad God. You know, I use to be atheist too. But my friend Krystal (sistasouljah as you may know, always busy!lol) but she said, in a nicely way to try Jesus out in a day. And i didi, i read the bible and the bible is amazing. It makes sence. I use to believe in Evolution theory but now i don't because, it's so irrelevent and God making the earth in 7 days does make sense to me. He just made it so simple, not complicated. But yeah, In order to understand God, you have to read the bible. God is like wind. Even though you can't see him, he's there. But you believe in wind right? :) :) :) :) :) |
It's easy to just believe in Jesus. Jesus was a normal human being, he was just a Great Guy. He helped people. He wasn't the son of God, he was the son of Joseph. You can follow his teachings [about not treating each other like shit] without believing that he was the son of God.
In fact, he was a Revolutionary, and set out to overthrow the Roman Empire [quite ironically, because the Roman Empire, like so many other people, later used Christianity as an excuse to Kill people, but Jesus isn't to blame for what people do in his name.] |
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About the Romans thing, yes, that is true, they would percecute Christans, and use them as a scapegoat, becuase the Romans were declining. But, those people died in believing Jesus Christ. It begins with a m, i forgot what that is called when you die for youe beliefs. but are already in heaven. They only had to die once, and live in happiness forever. and the bible says: Matthew 5:11 Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsey say all kinds of evil against you becuase of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets before you. [ May 26, 2001: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ] |
It's not a question of believing in Jesus: he existed, that's a fact. Whether he was the son of God is something that is less certain, but we do know that there has been a LOT of exaggeration in between Jesus's life and the writing of the New Testament, and I think that I am 99% certain that Jesus did not WANT to die on the cross. He did not die for our sins, he died because the Romans wanted rid of him.
And when I said the Romans used Christianity as an excuse to kill people, I didn't mean they persecuted Christians. If you brushed up on your History, you'd know that for a long time the Romans WERE Christian, and used that as an excuse to kill Non-Christians, Just as Richard the Lionheart used the same excuse to kill a load of Muslims, because they weren't Christian. I think that it is clear that the Christians have spent a lot more time persecuting others than being persecuted themselves. That is what I mean when I say Jesus isn't to blame for what they've done in his name. That's what depresses me about Religion: the way people don't hesitate to mistreat people for believing something different. Christianity is all well and good when it helps people, but we should do more to try and eradicate its Dark Side. |
You want to get real confused and dizzy, freked out and turned all upside down? Then read on, if not quit while you are ahead.
I had a feeling most of you would still be here. The only non-confusing thing in my post is this : " In the beginning there was God". I'm by no means a overly religeous person, but that's my belief. Now for some freaked out thoughts. What was the first thing that ever existed? You come up with an answer yet? Ok well than how did it become an existing thing, whatever it is? There had to be something that existed first right? Well how did that first thing get here? And what created this so-called first thing? And so on and so on and on and on, get the point. One, Two, Middlesboogie,stated this a while back,: "All life forms started as no more than little bits of deoxyribose nucleic acids floating around in the primordial soup. These bits of DNA evolved protein coats for protection from other foreign bits of DNA. Eventually the protein coats became so sophisticated that they became all the creatures we see today". I'm no scientist, and that statement could be true to a point. However let's call "deoxyribose nucleic acids" Particle x. Where does particle x come from? Is particle X the first thing in existence? It was just in existence for all times, no beginning? Does Particle X come from some other scientific mumbo jumbo? And then where did that come from? It never ends. The amazing thing is that there had to be something first,and whatever that was,well how could that be possible, how did "it" get here? So as you can see anything is possible once you really think about it. By the way did you know that the universe never ends. It just goes on and on. There's no amazing wall up or down there, no sudden void of nothingness, is there? Bottom line is that a supreme being is, and that supreme being has created all the particle X's and those Particle X's went from there at that point. First there is a God or supreme being, and then there is science which comes from God. "Science is gods toy". Just one simple Sharks opinion here, and belief, oh about 80 or so years from now "God willing" we will know the truth anyway. Yah I plan on being around for awhile. |
im an agnostic like syd, but i have formed some opinions on religeon and whatnot
i think that religeon is good (in most cases), but i also belive that any bleif in god or buddah reaching enlightenment or jesus bein the sun of god are all based on a blind faith. no one can ever know as a fact, that there is a god. im sorry if that might seem offensive to you stronger christians, but that is how i feel. unless you die, i dont think there is any way to know if god REALLY exists. thats why they call belief in god "faith" becasue it's faith in something you cant prove as a hard fact. on the other hand, i cant prove that there isnt a god. there may be scientific theorys to back it up, most of which i belive in, but no one can truly tell that there isnt one devine being who started it all. now im sure all of you have barrels of facts, sciptures, analysis' and bibles to back up your own beleif, but until you're dead, i dont think those should really matter. |
One theory is that the universe expands and contracts. The Big Bang theory is widely accepted in the scientific community, so adding to this is the expand and contract theory. At the moment, the universe is expanding (this has been scientificly proven). There will come a time when scientists believe the universe will contract, and all matter will be compressed back into that tiny pin point once again. Then the "big bang" will occur all over again, making a continuous universal cycle.
Many people have a false impression of what "time" is and assume that there always needs to be a "before" and an "after." With the expand and contract theory, not only matter expands and contracts. Time does too. It's hard to explain, but think of a black hole, not only is matter sucked into black holes, but time is too. Imagine if all matter in the universe was compressed into a pinpoint with the same conditions as were in the previous cycle. Considering that time was also compressed back to its original form, that would make the next expansion identical to "previous" expansions. I encase "previous" in inverted commas as "previous" suggests "before." Since time also compresses and expandeds, it makes any notion of time "before" the big bang an impossible idea. There was nothing "before" the big bang because time didn't exist. I'm not an expert, but that's the current theory to the best of my knowledge. Abe Babe, I know what you mean. Televangelists are annoying. There is this one woman I see on the Christian channel, she is encrusted with jewels, diamonds and gold. Whatever happened to being humble? Not to mention Jerry Falwell, you would think he is God the way he judges people. On the other hand, I know some Christians who are wonderful people. My Catholic scripture teacher, Mrs Chudley, was one of the most compassionate, loving people I have ever known. |
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Catholics and Christians are not the same thing. They have differences. Yup, some people may be compassionate in church, but could still be just as evil behind closed doors. But people could tell if you are a fake :). But I am going to believe in God, I believe he made everything and I believe that the bible is real too, and no one cane change my mind :). Rettick, I shall answer your post on "why did Jesus diie in the next post" It's a long story. But no offense, i think you need to brush up on your history because the romans use to be polytheistic and did persecuted christians and use them as a scapegoat because their empire was declining. I'm not stupid, i can read. They would even put christans in the collesium for entertainment so the lions would eat them. Jesus did not die becuase the Romans were after him. They were after him one time, and he hid! Because, it was not his time to die and God did not plan him to die at the time. It would of said that in the bible but it's not in the bible saying that Jesus died because of the ROmans. Jesus plan to die for us was planned Before the romans even exist, or the day when adam and eve brought sin into the world. [ May 26, 2001: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ] |
Why was Jesus Jewish?I mean if he was the son of God wouldn't he be Christian?Okay,this question must seem kind of stupid but I don't know too much thats in the Bible.
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Melvin, Jesus was Jewish because Judaism was the religion of the area in that time. Christianity is an extension of Judaism. As far as I know, the Jewish faith believes that a saviour will come and liberate them of their sins, as written in the old testament.
Jesus was born into a jewish family and Jesus claimed he was the saviour. The Jews of today believe Jesus was a false prophet. Pinkhaired, I'm sorry, I was lead to believe that those who are humble do not flaunt their wealth. And if you want to know how Falwell judges people, visit his website. Pink, Catholics are Christians. Christianity is based on accepting Jesus as the saviour, and Catholicism embraces that. |
Sydney, you raise some interesting points there. I am a science fiction fan, so have seen every theory of space and time imagineable. But I also wonder about some of the theories that are put forward in movies and books... like it may only be science fiction, but it could just possibly be real. Like the Universe for example... like where does it end. what happens when one reaches the end of the universe... would you just like disintergrate. One theory is that the universe is in fact a globe that you cannot get out of, and it all joins up... but of course what would be out of that globe. I have also heard about the theroy of the universe expanding and contracting, and I find it very interesting indeed.
Then there are other theories... like pararell (sp?) universes... like in the series Sliders. Once again... science fiction... but could possibly be real. In that in another pararell universe we make a different decision and things are totally different. There could be an infinite number of pararell universes out there. PinkHaired... these people on the TV that wear jewels, etc... they claim to be helping the poor, etc... well if so, they shouldn't be wearing diamonds, etc. IMO that is wrong. I'm not saying they should dress scruffy... but I would think twice before giving money to someone that is wearing diamonds and is using an elaborate set. Abe Babe... |
wow, all this discussion is getting very interesting! I'd like to make another contribution with a few more lines.
About the desoxirribe nucleic acid, their main task is to sintetize Proteins, which are long chains of aminoacid, made of raw molecules which could be found very easily in the primordial soup that formed the oceans of Earth. These raw elements (Amonia, carbon, hidrogen, and so on), under specific atmosphere conditions(high pressure, lightning bolts, etc), can be combined into aminoacids, which are organics molecules. Scientists attempted to reproduce this phenomenon in a controled experiment and actually succedded in producing aminoacid from raw elements only, proving that it was possible to happen in the past. When one of those aminoacid chains reached an specific configuration that allowed it to create a molecule capable of make another exact copie of it, the whole process of evolving organic creatures started on Earth(well, acording to biologic theories). Pink, you said: "Jesus and God are God, and they both are one" And you also said: "God is not bias. He didn't say in the bible that christians can't wear gold and stuff" According to what you said, I can conclude that being Jesus also God, what he said is actually what God said. But Jesus told to his 12 friends that, in order to follow him, they had to give all they owned to the poor people, and always divide the bread with others. So, I see a logical contradition in your arguments, here. I thought that when you say that you beleive in the Bible, It means the whole Bible, from the first to the last page. By the way, do you use an English Bible? do you know that the original Bible was written in aramaic, hebraic and Greek? Do you know who translated the Bible you use and you say you beleive. Are you sure, all the words in there are exactly the same ones used thousands years ago, with the same meanings? Just a little example the Greek word for ghost is Daemon, which means a non-living creature, not good neither evil, but all the translations from the greek created this word: Demon and gave it an evil meaning, mostly in the middle age in Europe, by the catholic church. So, when you read demon, it doesn't mean exactly evil. ther are good "demons", or ghosts, like Moses and Isaias, that appeared to Jesus and his 12 friends. I'm not trying to be bold and offensive, not at all. But saying that you beleifs are actually the true, and others beleifs aren't, is not a humble attitude, for a Christian. Sorry to be addressing all this arguemnts toward you, Pinky. don't take it personally. I'm sure you are a great person. It's just that you seem to be the most closed-minded person in this discussion, without trying to comprehend or even tolerate others opinions. Be the way, comprehension and tolerance are beautiful christian attitudes. One more thing I'd like to know, Pink. In your humble opinion, as a Christian you say you are, what should a person do, and behave, and beleive, to be considered a Christian? If you could give a detailed explanation, I'd appreciate that. [ May 28, 2001: Message edited by: Lampion ] |
What was the first thing that came into existence? Forget about the details on religion and science. That all came later.Think about that for a moment, there had to be something that existed first, and whatever that was how did it come into being?
Science came after "GOD"or the supreme being. Big bang, big boom, whatever, genes, all came from God, they did there thing with God's permission. Bottom line: Science is "GODS" toy. And I'm not really into religion,just feel that that's the truth. Oh yes and well what's the first thing that came into existence everyone? And how did it get here? That's the fun question.Come on tell me. |
Okay, now i gotz ta get logic now! :) :)lol.
SYdney: Jesus was not Jewish becuase of that Judaism was the main religion. God, back then had two groups. The Gentiles and the Jews. Jews were God's chosen people back then. (Jesus cancelled that Law when he was born) Gentiles were people like, Japanese, hispanic, etc. And Mary, his mom, was God's favored women, who obeyed him. God planted a seed into Mary, and Gabrielle, the Angel told her, that she would have a son and name him Jesus. But Jesus, in his physical appearance was Jewish. Jesus was there before God made the Earth. Yes, Catholics and Christians are similar becuase they believe in Jesus Christ and God. But i could name alot of reasons why they differ. Want a list? Lampion: No offense, but you always see a contradiction some where! lol. But, there is no contradiction. The bible comes in all different languages. There is the KIV version (King James Version. It's Elizabethan language, like thy, thee, etc.) And thr NIV(New internation version, language we speak, like regular english) A man cannot reword a bible!!! Besides, I compared Bibles before. There is no way, that a guy would remember all of those incidents, in exact form. Um, God said that those religions are pagan, so your saying that God is not humble! You argue with him by that. If you read the bible, you will know what the true word humble means. God said, if you don't believe in him, you are not going to Heaven. You argue with him about that, not me. And people say that God puts you in hell. No, you put your self in hell. He did not tell you, to steal that barbie doll in Toy's r us now. Besides, I am a new disciple, I am still a baby in christ. I am still learning the Bible so you can't judge me. Us christians, are not suppose to condemn you to hell, but tell you about God, and How loving he is, and people say bad stuff about him. How could you, when you don't even know him. Not trying to sound mean or anything. :) :) :) |
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Lampion: How could you say that I am closed-minded, you don't personally know me. I have friends who believe in all kinds of stuff. I learned about Hinduism, buddisum. In a matter of fact, I was buddist! I was atheist, so your not making any connection. I got proved wrong. I got into a car accident with my uncle and I thank God this day, that I am still alive. He was atheist, I was too, but i could of been dead because my mom prayed for me, until she found out that my uncle was drunk and was crazy at the time.But she received a phone call that he was. And I just thank him and love him, because I cold of been dead. I sometimes start to cry too, because he was so good to me, and how many times he came for me. The only thing I think, I should do in return is to believe in him, and my life is even better :) :). But anyways, Christans are humans too, and were are not to be stupid and let people push us around. I just told you, that I don't believe in the evolution theory. To be honest, you seem kinda closed-minded because you are not excepting my opinions too. I'm cool with people opinions. I am just telling you what i believe, answering people pop quiz questions, and telling you what the bible saids so don't get mad at me. Sorry to sound harsh, I apologize, but i had to clear that up. but yeah, sorry. And yeah, God told what to say to people. Jesus did not tell the 12 desciples that. He told them to teach his word to all nations, and be baptized in the father, son, and holy spirit. It's in 1 John and John 5:24-29. The bible, It's pretty interesting I think :) :). Here is John 5:24-29 Oh, wanna here John 5:24? It states: I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and will not come to condemnation, but has passed from death to life. I say to you, the hour is coming and is now here when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For just as the Father has life in himself, so also he gave to his Son the possession of life in himself. And he gave him power to exercise judgment, because he is the Son of Man. Do not be amazed at this, because the hour is coming in which all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and will come out, those who have done good deeds to the resurrection of life, but those who have done wicked deeds to the resurrection of condemnation. AbeBabe: Well, there are some people in other churches who don't wear jewlery, and are just as evil. What does jewlery have to do with it? If it did not say that in the bible, then you can wear jewlery. The most important thing is what it comes inside heart. But people make excuses saying "Oh Lord, I feed the hungery, I went to all the church meetings, da da da." Those are greet, but what did you do? You probably lied without repenting. God looks at the heart. Not your appearences. There were alot of people who were humble, wearing jewlery and perfumes. It's not on all appearence. God does not look at your appearance. In a matter of fact, no matter how much jewlery you wear or dress to kill, in God's eyes, you look like those poor people in the streets. I mean, we are nothing, without God. We ain't all that now! :) :)LOL. Lampion again!!!lol :) :) Well yeah, i can tell you how to act as a chrisitan! That would be spiffy dude. I just hope no one is trying to think that i am forcing you or something. But i wanted to know also, how did the evolution theory came to existence [ May 27, 2001: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ] |
Hi, Pinky, how are ya doing? I told told you not to take it personaly http://www.oddworldian.net/oddworldf...ons/icon10.gif
when I said you seemed to be closed minded I said specifically in this discussion, inside this topic, here in thies forum. I believe I'm not judging you. I don't know you personaly, though I think you maybe are a great girl, and I'd be honored to become one of your friends(besides,if this pink heired girl in your signature is indeed you, I'd say you're hot sexy, ;) ) no offense. In my comments I'm not trying to deny God. I myself consider that I am a Christian too, but I strongly disagree to most of your oppinions on this matter. Of what I know about Science, I strongly believe that it doesn't deny God. If you read my first reply to this topic, you are gonna have a clearer understanding of my beliefs. The fact that the Earth was created 5 billion years ago, and was not created in six days does make perfect sense to me, and I think it doen'st deny God. The fact that humans are primates and relatives to chipanzees, gorillas and other Apes, and thay all have a common ancestor does make sense to me, and I think it doens't deny God. Because the whole universe has natural laws, created only by God. Scientists try to unerstand and describe these natural laws, like gravity, electricity, atomic interactions, matter and energy, biology, mot of that to a practical use. After all, I'm only supposed to talk to you via this forum because a whole network of electronic devices were only possible to be builded applying of the modern Science humans has been developing in the last ten thousand years. In one sentence: I'm a Christian, but I'm also a man of Science, and I have no mind conflicts because of that. Period. To Quorisha: I love you, sister. Stick with your beliefs, and I'll stick with mines, even knowing that because of that, you think I'm going to burn in hell. Peace and Love.  |
PinkHaired: I think you're missing my point. I don't have a problem w/ Christians wearing jewellery or anything like that. The church I used to go to when I was a kid, a lot of adults would wear jewellery. Christians don't have to give all their money to the poor or dress down to be humble.
My argument was actually the tele-envangelists that get on TV and tell you to donate money to give to the poor or to help God's word... but in reality, they are using it to buy themselves expensive clothes and jewellery or live a luxury lifestyle. A perfect example of this is Jim and Tammie Baker from the mid-80s. It is well known that they used money people dontated to them to live the life of luxury. People sent them money on the basis that they were helping the poor... but in fact they were lining the pockets of these two. That is what I am against... I would donate my money to a repuatable cause (Christian or non-Christian), but I do not want to risk giving my money to someone who is going to spend it themselves. And although these types of tele-evangelists are not as common as they were, they still exist, and it is simply exploiting the Christian religon and exploiting people. Abe Babe... [ May 28, 2001: Message edited by: Abe Babe ] |
Lampion: I apologize if I truned something out the wrong way and if i sounded very misleading or mean, i try not to though. I mean, I just don't see how the Big Bang Theory Become it. It just does'nt make any sense to me. How can an explosion, make such a complex universe and life? If Humnas evolve with monkeys, would monkeys exist today? There are alot of question popping up in my head that I am unsure about, and don;t quite clear up.
I would love to be your friend too! I love everyone on this board! Even thought they want to be as cooky as me! ahem lady Elum, lol. But I also attend to keep my self in shape and take care of my looks. I am so called...sexy! *giggles*. There are some christians, catholics, protestans who are scientist who study evolution like What SyDmAn said earlier. They just like to study it. There are people who believe in both, like what SyDmAn said. But i hope that i don't want you to think that I am damning you to hell. Or think that you are going to hell. I have no clue where you are going :) :) There's Spiders down there!!!!!LOL. Peace. Abebabe: Oooops! My bad! LOL. There are people who spend the church money and brag about how much they give, and you need to give and give you a lecture. And they don't even give themselves, so it makes them hypocritcal. I mean, It's dangerous to play with God's money! I seen those people before But i just won't worry about them, because worrying useless on things like these because, God has the last word and will get them in the end. It's best to worry on yourself. Because, my mon gave me a good point. I was angry at people like that too. And my mom said if I make that excuse if front of God, he would tell me "Well what did you do?!" I mean, you can't be too busy to watch over other people, when your situation could be just as worst. You know? I'm not saying that you are like that but people tend to make excuses. Anyways, yeah it does kinda make me sick to see them spend the money and at hypocritical. not all are like that though. I really don't mind giving my old clothes to the poor (which i don't think they would! LOL) or giving a tithe each week. I do that out of Love and God gave that attitude to me. I don't do it for show and brag about it. Like I said, God has justice, and will deal with them. I love these fuzzles!!!!!!!!!! |
this is off the topic but i want to ask Pink one thing....why do you think that your so kooky,weird and goth?your always saying how you are but you never act it.So just get over that your posts never show your so called weirdness.okay?(lol)
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WhoooooOOOOOOOOAAAAAaaaa! Is it that time of month again? Hahahha! I laugh at you! Hahaha. I may not act it here, but I act differently in real life believe me. It's cool to be cooky. Try spending a day with me...it will be strange Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha *cough* *cough*
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heheh, yas so funny^_^
God said BANG and it happened! I mean there is so much proof that the Bible is rEal! For one, yes they found the ark on a mountain between hungary and russia! they found the dead sea scrools. and the most proof, is they never found the body of Christ! ta-da, how amazing is that?! but for all the ppls who has to havr tangelble proof, God left some, but all I need is faith! I know for a fact that Jesus Christ is real. (Okay I cant prove it by showing you him, but can you see the wind? yas know its there!) and plus its hard for me to say hes not real, cuz he always talks to me, no dont listen by your ear, not your brain, but your heart! Here I found this , and hopes you enjoy reading this... ****************************************** IF YOU REALLY LOOK, YOU'LL FIND ME *************************************** Jeremiah 29:13 ______________________ Dear Child of mine, Have you ever lost something that you didn't really expent to find again? Sure, you rummaged around the house looking for it, but since you didn't thin you'd ever find it, you didn't really look with much hope or expectation. You know what happens in those situations? Since you don't expect to find it, you rarely do. Some People look for me like that. "Oh God's out there, but he's to far above me, I'll never reach him." Believe me when I say that if You'll put your heart into looking for me, you will find me! I am so close to you. Open the eyes of your heart and realy look. Expect me to be here, because here I am. your Friend >God === ================================= == I found this in a book I was reading^_^ and very much enjoys. thank you for listening to me, Hiyas PInk! what up! byies! |
I hope this doesn't start another fight because I seem to have lots of problems with that on thses forums... But, believe me, Pink Haired, I hope I'm never EVER like you. I've always been like this, so don't take it upon yourself to say YOU of all people made me weird. You're just jealous 'cuz I'm weirder than you. This topic wasn't started so you could critisize every one.
Lampion: blah blah Abe Babe:blah blah blah.... Do you want peopel going around listing everything that bugs them about you? If you were really as "Christian" as you say you would be much more open to other's beliefs. I don't think we should have to judge people by there religion and all that jazz. But, at least Sydney thinks we're "mature" enough to handle it... I hope he's not wrong... [ May 28, 2001: Message edited by: lady_elum ] |
this is what i posted earlier:
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These entities would ocassionally make themselves known to the lower life forms, and the lower life forms would see them as gods. Now their reason for this varies, whether its to guide them to a better life, or because they have a big chip on their shoulder.. *offside* Stafonos: I HEARD THAT! feh, whatever. Anyway, on to the evolvotion bit. In the bible it said it said that there were just Adam and Eve, now i have trouble believing just two ppl existed in the beinging that are responible for the whole world population of humans, unless you included Lileth but I still have trouble with it. Talk about inbreeding! No to me envolution had to take place. Humans and the other animals can't just 'appear' out of thin air. Not even my character Staros has the ability to create a living being out of nothing just like that (and he is the most powerful of my god-like characters). Like I said, I believe higher life forms 'guided' the evolution of the human race from its simplest form to what they are today. Back to the Bible (sorry for jumping around), I do believe it is nothing but a collection of stories written by early humans trying to figure out how and why things are (this is mainly the old testament im talking about..). I'm not saying the whole thing is bogus, as every story is based on at least a little bit of fact. Example: Moses and the burning bush. the bush burning and it surviving unharm a miricule right? wrong. It was a miricule to those who witnessed it back during that time(moses), but in recent times, sciencists discovered a bush, which, when it became hot enough, burst into flames due to its flamible sap. I think it had to do with it being a low temp fire or something like that (it was a while ago I heard of this), but when the flames died, the bush was unharmed. Act of god? no, Act of nature (good old mother nature making us scratch are head in puzzlement :D). um...oh boy did I ramble. Um...if this didn't make any sense just boop me on the head, ignore me, and i'll shut up...*looks back at what she wrote* i think i confused myself...eep. Anyway, I'm not attacking anyone here, just stating my beliefs and the little bit of fact that I know.. |
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OMGOSH! Where have you been for the last couple of post excuse me but, i was not judging anyone and you need to read the post more carefully because you don't know what you are talking about. I do except people's opinions. I don't have time to argue with you. I don't want to be like you, I was playing around did you see the j/k sign for joking or the LOL? Don't take stuff so seriously. You get so mad when we take stuff seriously to you. Believe me, no one is jealous of you. And incase you did'nt notice, in the other post, i did mention that I am a new believer. I am not perfect, and I am still learning about the bible so don't judge me and think that i am perfect. atleast I try, so stop being so insincere or insecure with yourself. I just won't joke around with you anymore alrighty, how does that sound? I'm sorry if i made a joke, i did not mean to hurt you, it was meant for a joke I apologize. :) :) :) :) These fuzzles are soo dabombI feel ya Dragon :).....So, who wants to play a rousin game of monopoly!? I get to play the horse! Naaaay! [ May 28, 2001: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ] |
Pink: No, you brush up on YOUR history! Years after Jesus and stuff, the Roman Empire converted to Christianity, becoming the Holy Roman Empire [true], and then set about killing everyone who wasn't a Christian.
SteelShark: You asked where DNA came from. It was synthesized from simpler molecules [Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Sulphur, and Phosphorous] by lightning, which happened more often in those days. Those in turn were synthesized from fundamental subatomic particles, which were created from energy by the extremely hot conditions of the Big Bang. Clear? I don't want to fall out with anyone, but I still don't see why people need a God to tell them to be nice. Jesus was a Great Guy, we can follow his teachings about how we should treat each other without believing that he was the Son of God. I'm not saying that there is no God, just that if there is he's too complicated to be simplified in the way Religions try to do. It's probably too compicated to even describe. Why can't people be happy to wait and see? God's too nice to exclude someone from heaven just because they aren't Christian. I think the Middlesboogie's metaphor summed up Religion perfectly. Shall I give an example of what i think is wrong with the Bible. Well, I'm going to anyway. I have not been baptised. I am only 15. I may yet grow up to be a Great Man. I may be a Teacher, I may be a Doctor. I may do Great things for Mankind. I may be nice to everyone, to animals as well. I might discover a cure for Cancer, or a Hydrogen-Powered Engine. But Whatever I do, my future after life is set. Because I have not been baptised, the Bible says that I am automatically Denied the right to enter Heaven; if I do not end up in Hell, I will remain in Limbo Forever. That could happen to anyone purely because of their parents' wishes. I ask you: Is that Right? Is that the action of a Just and Fair God? I'll leave you with that thought. See you in Limbo... |
Oh and, about that Body of Christ thing? Of course they never found his body; How many 2000-year-old corpses can you name? They may have found his body and never known!
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OKay, let's just forget all this, kay Pink Haired? It really is pointless, besides, this topic is supposed to be about God! I know I'm defensive(what can I say, I'm from New York) and years of ridicule have ruined my life *sob* All this will someday result in countless therapy sessions anyway. But... yeah. I don't think anyone is quite understanding anyone else, and you are getting pretty defensive yourself. But, let's not worry. Religion always starts lot 'o' contraversies. Yeah...... so, how 'bout that monopoly game?! *grags at shoe* (fuzzles are cute, I must say...)
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