Did you read what I said in my previous post!?

Sorry, it was just too tempting...
Anyway, you told everyone off before and they still keep flaming, if I can't beat them (because they don't listen) then I may as well keep up the flames...

We should get a debate judge to judge certain debates and award points for good arguments and deduct them for flaming then they post the points every so often. I think that would be an interesting idea

Okay, this is fascinating:
I watched another episode of the NOVA or Horizon (it was like #5 in the 12 part series) and they demonstrated another interesting point, which is this: Humans have developed a specific area in our brain that concurs with our need for a diety or god. They have pinpointed the area that is active when we pray or engage in conversation about God or the Bible.

I thought that this was very interesting, and would like to hear what you guys have to say about this as well. I'd like to say a few things, too, but I want to hear what you think, first.

That's interesting...
It explains the reason why so many people are religious and stay religious after being given LOTS of evidence to support theories opposing their religion's.

It's as interesting as how it's been 'proved' that praying for people makes them better. I don't know the exact condidtions of the experiments but it's still a pretty interesting finding.

I'm sorry for allowing myself to be drawn, but I tried to argue reasonably, and I don't think I actually resorted to simple insult-throwing at any point... I argued each of Pinky's points individually, and managed not to just insult her [even in the face of extreme temptation :D], not matter how much she flamed me...

No 'think' about it; that's practically the definition of Evolution...

So you believe in God, then, and you believe that Humans were designed to be how we are, we didn't just evolve this way? This sounds provokative, looking back, but it isn't intended that way, it is an honest question... Oh, and about the "take care of Earth" bit - 'take care of' in the Mafia way, not in the Mary Poppins way, I assume? :D

Thankfully, we don't all have one... To be honest, I think it would be being too specific/narrow-minded to pinpoint it as a "need for a deity", as many people have beliefs that have no God. It would probably be more accurate to desribe it as an area devoted to Faith. Let me guess: It's in the Abstract Thought area of the brain, correct?

Just wondering, do they know it is active because they are praying, ect or that it is just active while praying, ect? Is it a part of the brain that is usually not active?

As for the statement itself...I have no opinion yet.

Maybe it activates whenever we believe strongly in something, or hope something, or something...

Okay. That makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up, assuming you are right ;)

That's a dangerous assumption to make, especially in such a contentious topic...

We stay religious because it's false evidence and we love God.

[quote]Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck:
[b]Not compared to you with your bad grammar!


Not compared to you bad spelling and grammar and punctuation! And English was your first language? Tisk, tisk. If your so smart, there's no such thing as perfect English. Your going to make mistakes but you and Rettick don't know that. You and Rettick are both Looosssseeeerrrrrss.

Animals don't have a mind set to reason like humans do. I find it kinda sad if you can't tell the difference between an animal and a human. Yeah, they can be tamed, by human! No by themselves.

[ January 16, 2002: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ]

What? That sounds MUCH worse than either Dan's or Gluck Schmuck's. And, by the way, calling people losers doesn't help your argument, like Sydney said. Insults are the last refuge of a person who has no argument.

Yes, I wonder why I carry the tag "Oddworld Administrator" when my pleas for kindness to be shown to each other are ignored. My pleas mean nothing, until someone is punished.

Pinkhaired, I see you've conveniently ingored my post about Mitochondrial DNA. Will you please respond to it? I find it incredibly sad when people fail to see we share so many characteristsic with our brothers and sisters in the animal kingdom. Attitudes like these often result in endless suffering to those we deem inferior.

I believe ants have tamed aphids. does that count as another animal taming another?

That's interesting...
Do you have any more information?

I find it sad and ignorant if you can't tell the difference between an animal and a human being. I mean, are you blind?

Ah shut up. It counts if you can actually talk english in real life. Not on some message board. Can you understand that?! I guess not. I forgot to put the "r" in your. So what? And by the way, you put too much commas in your sentence.

BTW, English is not my first language. I mean, you guys make common spelling and grammar errors too! SO I just would'nt talk. So if you decide to judge me joe, dan, and gluk, make sure you actually know something about me! I mean, what's your and gluk and dan's deal!

Also Joe, when was the last time you ever insulted someone? Don't say that you never did. If your angry, you will tend to say something that you did not meant to say or it just popped-up in your head. :mad:

Oh and Steve, on the ant thing. How would you know it's not instinct and not a "learned behavior?" How do you know if God gave them that instinct to do that?

Sydney, what was your mitochondria thing again? I did'nt mean to ignore it. I apologize.

[ January 17, 2002: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ]

We are not saying that Humans are the same as other animals. We are saying that Humans are a type of animal. Do you agree that Sparrow are a type of animal, and so are worms? In that case, does that mean that you can't tell the difference between Sparrows and Worms? No, of course it doesn't.

And as for your cheap insults: Myself and Tom very rarely make spelling and punctuation errors. However, they abound in your posts. I find it slightly disappointing that the only insults you can think of are ones that we have already used, even though you know that they are not relevant to us...

That aside, why are you continuing to flame me anyway? I stopped my arguing when Sydney told me to [even though I can't see that I've done anything wrong], so why can't you have the good manners to do the same?

No, don't answer that, it'll only continue the arguments. Instead, I'll ask you again: What is this "Proof" of Creationism that you keep telling us about?

Edit: :mad: Okay, I've had enough. She's baited me too many times now...

1. We don't know if you can, and you don't know if we can, so what relevance does it have?

2. Which you can't do, apparrently.

3. No he didn't.

4. So much now becomes clear...

5. :mad: I've said it before and I'll say it again: WHEN? Look back over this topic. Count our errors. Count your own. Think.

6. What we know about you: a) You are a Christian Fundamentalist. b) You are unable to make any relevant and polite responses to arguments. c) You are totally unable to admit when you are wrong. The list goes on, but I can no longer be bothered. Just don't judge us by what you don't know, either.

7. Our "deal" is that you are unable to even admit the possibility that you might be wrong. Even when we lay out the evidence in front of you, all you can do is hurl abuse at us.

8. Don't try and pretend it just popped into your head. This is a Message Board, not a conversation. It takes time to type and post. You have to think. You can't just say something without thinking about it.

9. "Instinct" is just an excuse made up by Humans to negate the possibility that other animals think...

One last thing: USE THE F*CKING EDIT BUTTON (like I have just done)!

[ January 17, 2002: Message edited by: Rettick ]

Ha! Your the one getting all the insults from me and remixing my insults to make them cheap and stupid. You and Gluk rarely make spelling mistakes? Puhlease. You two think your sooo perfect it's a shame.


There are differences between an animal and a human. I'm not going to convince you or even try because you guys don't listen and think your right all the time so I won't talk on this one.

When I talk about "proof" on evolution, I mean real proof. Like how was the Earth created, humans and stuff like that. Not stars and all that crap. Where's the real proof? It's not factual because Darwin does not know because he was not there when the Earth was created so that's why it's called a "theory."

Why am I flamming at you? Because I'm sick of your attitude that your all high and mighty and never make mistakes! If I made spelling errors, I'm sorry! Ya happy? Atleast I admit my mistakes and I know that I am not perfect. Yep, you know everything and other people's belief's are wrong and the belief's you believe in are correct. Every since I stated that I was a Christian and believed in God, your trying to prove me wrong that he does not exist. Well, I am not going to be an atheist. Puhlease! That Goes for Gluk also. *Phew* I had to get that out! :D

[ January 17, 2002: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ]

Numerous species of ants collect a sweet substance called honeydew that is excreted by various tiny insects, including aphids, mealy bugs, and scale insects. The insects most commonly used for this purpose are aphids, which pierce plant tissues to suck up juices from a plant. Among some of these ants, workers leave their nests regularly to watch over groups of aphids and protect them from predators. In some instances, these ants construct shelters out of soil or carton to shield the aphids from the environment.

Worker ants stroke the aphids with their antennae to induce them to release drops of honeydew. The ants then transfer this honeydew through trophallaxis to another group of workers, who carry it back to the nest and share it with nest workers. Individual workers may spend days or weeks among the same group of aphids.

that was from encarta. the first place I learned about this was from the book empire of the ants. if you've got spare time you should read it.(it's not all that realistic but still very good)

1. Name one.

2. Name one example.

3. What makes you say that? The fact that we spell things right?

4. :mad: Of course there are differences between Humans and other animals! There are also differences between Natterjack Toads and other animals. Does that mean that Natterjack Toads are not animals?

5. :mad: WE don't listen? Give me one example of a time when you have said something and we have not listened! Then I will return with 20 examples of when we have said things and [/i]you[/i] have not listened...

6. WHY CAN'T YOU JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION? It's not a complicated question. What evidence is there for Creationism?

7. When did we say we never made mistakes? All we said was that we rarely make spelling mistakes, which is true!

8. No you don't. You have never even admitted the possibility that you might be wrong! Just look at what you said there, for example. "IF I was wrong..." You didn't admit you were wrong, you implied that you still believe that you are right. By apologising for something that you refuse to believe happened, you are just trying to make yourself out to be the good guy here. My advice to that end is to stop insulting us and start arguing about the issue!

9. No we don't. We believe we are right. So do you. But at least we are prepared to admit that we may be wrong when given sufficient evidence. IF you were to give me some evidence for your beliefs, I would believe in them [as long as your evidence outweighed mine]. However, not only have you done no such thing, but you have also refused to even listen to our evidence...

[ January 17, 2002: Message edited by: Rettick ]

Your such a liar!

I stated I'm Christian and I believe God created the Heavens and Earth and he's real and you guys don't listen! I'm sick of this! If I was an atheist, of course you would have a different approach towards me. Just because 90% people here are atheist, does'nt mean you have to treat the 10% with total disrespect! I don't care anymore if you don't believe me, but your never going to stop me from believing in God. Your making it seem like it's a crime or some blind faith. I can name 20 or more reasons on how you did'nt listen to me or how you insulted my religion.

Why don't you just leave it alone and except what people believe in? Why does it bother you so much? Just because you had such a bad child hood with christianity, does'nt mean that your problems are going to happen to every christian! So stop stereotyping everything on Christianity and the bible!

How can you say that the bible does'nt talk about dinosaurs when you don't even read the bible!? :mad: :mad:

[ January 17, 2002: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ]

1. I LISTENED! You have to work out the difference between someone who disagrees with you and someone who doesn't listen. I disagree with you, but at least I listen. How else would I know that you believe in Creationism and the Bible? YOU, on the other hand, don't listen. Why else would you repeatedly ask questions that we have already answered?

2. THEN WHY DON'T YOU? Because you're lying, that's why. If you're not, then don't just say "I'm not", post those examples...

3. I do accept what people believe in. What I don't accept is people who repeated insult me for not believing the same thing as them. What I don't accept is people who are not even prepared to argue their side, but instead resort to childish name-calling. I began debating with you with the best of intentions, trying to find out why you believe what you do. Unfortunately, instead of admitting that it was blind faith, you started pretending you had concrete evidence proving that everyone else was wrong, and whenever we asked you to post that Evidence, you got angry and started insulting us. Oh, by the way, For Your Information, I have never had any major bad experiences with Christianity. My mother is a reasonable Atheist, which is why I am able to see Christianity from the unbiased viewpoint that I do.

Now I will say this again: Post the Evidence you have for your beliefs.

You know what Dan,

I've seen liars before but you take the cake. You don't listen if your saying whatever I believe in is wrong. I do listen to your beliefs, but I am not trying to convince you on to stop believeing on what you believe in. I mean I seriously think that you can't see because I've noticed that in all your post. When I said that evolution does'nt make any sense to me, you thought I was ignorant and you guys really don't even understand the bible and I did'nt call you guys stupid. That's being hypocritical all the way. You need to just read your post. I never heard you said that you were sorry. You have so much pride all the time and expect people to say sorry to you!

Pinky, could you tell us about the evidence to support the creationism theory?
Please?

Okay Gluk, I will since you ask so nicely. I think I will just tell you because I don't feel like telling Rettick because he's sooo mean and he knows my evidence before I even say it because he knows everything.

1. This is what I am talking about: I disagree with your beliefs. In order to do that, I have to first read what they are. This I have done. You can't say that I didn't listen to you. I did listen, I just didn't agree.

2. Then why do you repeatedly tell us that we are going to Hell for not believing what you believe?

3. We didn't call you ignorant for thinking Evolution didn't make sense, we called you ignorant for thinking Evolution didn't make sense after we explained it to you. You don't have to agree with it to admit it makes sense. Your beliefs make sense, I just believe they are wrong. What's your problem with that?

4. I have not yet done anything to be sorry about, except occasionally for getting angry when you insulted me, and I did apologise for that. Also, I don't expect you to apologise, I expect you to admit you have been wrong...

Since you ignored my question last time, choosing instead to call me a Blind Liar, I will ask you again: What is this "proof" for Creationism that you claim to have?

Edit: Oh, I'm "mean" am I? Could you just outline for me exactly what I did that was mean, apart from ask you to give us your proof, and retaliate when you flamed me?

[ January 17, 2002: Message edited by: Rettick ]

why do you lie alot? I did'nt say that you were going to hell. Someone said earlier "If I was an atheist all my life and found out that God exist, will I go to hell?"

I think that was Daniel. I said yes, but I was answering his question and telling him what God said. I did'nt say it randomly?

Pinky, do you expect me to be happy that you believe that I am going to Hell? Just because you didn't think of it yourself doesn't mean that it is any less insulting. If you had said "God says that you're going to Hell, but I don't believe that", I wouldn't have minded at all, but you do believe that. Can't you see how insulting that is to me?

Well sorry, I did'nt mean to hurt anyone. I was just answering someone's question.

Ok, this is an honest question, because I am finding this concept difficult to get my head round. If you had a friend who was an Atheist [or a Muslim, Homosexual, or any other of the people the Bible condemns], and a very nice person, and they asked you if you believed that they were going to go to Hell, would you reply Yes? If so, how can you expect someone not to be offended when they are told that you believe that they are destined for eternal damnation? Are you actually unable to see the problem there?

:) Okay, I'm done now.
Thanks for responding everyone! It was very interesting to see people's different views on the matter...to a point. Thanks again!

PS: Hey, look, I got a star!
~does a little happy dance~

[ January 17, 2002: Message edited by: MudokonOddball ]

There are many diferences between human beings and other animals. Just as there are many differences between the ring-tailed Lemur and other animals. Analogy: A lollipop is still a candy. Apology accepted. Click here for my original post on Mitochondrial DNA as evidence for evolution.

The insults are really getting out of hand. Angry paragraphs on each other's spelling errors makes for a really dull read. Can we try to keep with the topic at hand? Among most others here, I find this discussion interesting, trailing off into pointless bickering only waters down the fun.

Out of hand? We'd only just got them in hand... After all, there haven't been any insults since Pinky's second
-to-last post, so we're doing quite well...

Although she still hasn't answered my question...

Puhlease, you started it.

Don't start that again, Pinky. What I was trying to say is that we weren't arguing any more, although you had to go and prove me wrong, didn't you...? :rolleyes:

Anyway, could you answer my question, please? I really am interested to know what the answer is...

Answer to what?

Ansdwer to this:

Thankyou Dan. I was looking at an earlier post when I was typing that, I should have made sure I was responding to a later post. My mistake.

Pinkhaired (for the third time), are you going to answer my question about Mitochondrial DNA? :)

i don't want to get into this..although you all (besides Pinky) have made revelant points. well most of you anyhow.
some one said we have no proof that animals can't laugh and cry..or something along those lines.
it has been scientificly proven that Rats can infact laugh.
i have a rat named Suzi, and if you flip her over and tickle her stomach she makes a very quiet laughing noise.
i saw it on tv, a guy had a Mic. that picked up high frequency sounds and tickled a rat...he played back the noise and it sounded like..well rat laughter. you really had to have seen it i guess...