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Slog Bait 03-31-2016 10:43 PM

Well outside of the super species I don't really see what could be so controversial about "sexual relations" in oddworld unless it's something like the parasitic sperm bugs I linked earlier which would def make loads of people uncomfortable if they don't already accept it as a means of reproduction

Also as far as I'm concerned reproduction is just a part of sexual urge. We might not have sex just to reproduce, but it's still a biproduct of sex, so in this context, they are one and the same since we don't actually know the intricacies of the super species reproductive cycles (and I doubt it's ever going to get more in detail than this happens, that happens, then babies)

Also also are you seriously that hot and bothered over the concept of fictional creatures being intimate with each other

Varrok 03-31-2016 10:50 PM

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We might not have sex just to reproduce, but it's still a biproduct of sex

Reproduction is not a byproduct of sex. Pleasure is a byproduct of sex.

Slog Bait 03-31-2016 10:59 PM

You totally know what I mean you turd

Varrok 03-31-2016 11:25 PM

I just wanted to make sure you get your facts straight :P

EVP_Glukkon 03-31-2016 11:37 PM

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Also also are you seriously that hot and bothered over the concept of fictional creatures being intimate with each other

I don't feel any irritation or annoyance over it, just disconnected. As it stands Abe is male to me, females appear to be Queens, but LL's comments make me wonder how 'far out' he pictures things to be.

Perhaps it is more social commentary on how our society is, people having sex online, cam sites, usb toys etc. Maybe Glukkons plug in to some Augmented Simulator, if Muds are asexual maybe some are forced into a sex industry of sorts?

Why the (#&^$& am I talking about this *#^$@. That's enough from me.

Slog Bait 03-31-2016 11:52 PM

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I don't really see sexless beings of a superspecies having any need for sexual gratification

And I'm like 99.9% sure that trafficking mudokons would be frowned upon or considered squick in-universe because I'm FAIRLY CERTAIN, since they're literally bred for slave labour and don't even have basic rights, they're not even viewed as... well, okay, it's like how throughout history humans will consider other humans not actually humans because of physical differences or their assumption of the other's culture (savages, primitive, etc) so it'd probably be super underground and in the same vein as bestiality in most human cultures if that were a thing at all

Commentary on virtual sex platforms would be interesting, ngl. I don't think he'd make it so hamfisted, though. I'm sure it'd end up being something more like... vykkers streaming their latest surgical enhancements or something lmfao


I'd just like you to know I was giggling the entire time I was writing this up because of everything about your post from content to execution good golly gee whiz you're a funny guy sometimes

Varrok 03-31-2016 11:54 PM

Slog Bait confirmed racist

Slog Bait 04-01-2016 12:01 AM

Varrok I thought we agreed to let me come out when I was more comfortable with it

I'm honestly feeling so betrayed right now

EVP_Glukkon 04-01-2016 12:35 AM

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I'd just like you to know I was giggling the entire time I was writing this up because of everything about your post from content to execution good golly gee whiz you're a funny guy sometimes

I appreciate that.

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Slog Bait confirmed racist

LOL!

Anyway, I also don't see the need for Oddworld containing any sexual gradification either for its various species. Just LL's comments got me wondering.

kjjcarpenter 04-01-2016 01:04 AM

My cockatiel often masturbates for the hell of it. A cockatiel is a bird. Mudokons are descended from birds. Ergo, I expect Mudokons to masturbate.

Slog Bait 04-01-2016 01:09 AM

A cockatiel isn't sexless, tho

Nor is it a part of a superspecies

Nor are any birds as we know them

kjjcarpenter 04-01-2016 02:17 AM

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A cockatiel isn't sexless, tho

Nor is it a part of a superspecies

Nor are any birds as we know them

Let me dream, Slog Bait. Let me dream ...

Vlam 04-01-2016 03:15 AM

OWI has just said that Slave Circus will be about sex in Oddworld!

Manco 04-01-2016 06:45 AM

I think you’re all reading too much into the original comment. To me it’s Lorne hinting at how most of the Oddworld species we’ve seen have nonstandard reproduction based around queens, and the “controversial” part being either that a video game would feature characters so departed from traditional human concepts of romance and sex, or that a video game would have story elements of creatures being enslaved and then forcibly bred to produce more slaves.


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Perhaps it is more social commentary on how our society is, people having sex online, cam sites, usb toys etc. Maybe Glukkons plug in to some Augmented Simulator, if Muds are asexual maybe some are forced into a sex industry of sorts?

Considering the comment was made way back around the time of Abe’s Exoddus, I doubt Lorne would be thinking too much about modern sex culture.

MA 04-01-2016 07:12 AM

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Pretty sure they have dicks but no balls.

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Mudokons are descended from birds.

yeah i've heard that mudokons are descended from birds so i assumed they didn't have dicks/balls and had something more resembling cloacas or something. i don't know much about birds though so i don't know if you can have a dick as well as a cloaca or whatever.

Vyrien 04-01-2016 11:41 AM

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had something more resembling cloacas or something.



Calm down Slogbait.

Xorlidyr 04-01-2016 11:45 AM

Please do not. Speak more on this topic of Mudokon cloacae.

Nepsotic 04-01-2016 11:49 AM

So anyway what do you guys picture a Mudokon cloaca looks like?

Vyrien 04-01-2016 11:57 AM

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So anyway what do you guys picture a Mudokon cloaca looks like?

http://puu.sh/o2qIc.jpg

FennecFyre 04-01-2016 12:00 PM

Gonna go gouge my eyes out kthnxbai

Xorlidyr 04-01-2016 12:04 PM

It is very beautiful.

Nepsotic 04-01-2016 12:11 PM

I've missed those cuntworms <3

Admiral Zaarin 04-01-2016 12:49 PM

That's how fleeches breed.

Slog Bait 04-01-2016 03:37 PM

It's good to see the cuntworms are alive and well on an alien planet. Warms my heart. :')

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I think you’re all reading too much into the original comment. To me it’s Lorne hinting at how most of the Oddworld species we’ve seen have nonstandard reproduction based around queens, and the “controversial” part being either that a video game would feature characters so departed from traditional human concepts of romance and sex, or that a video game would have story elements of creatures being enslaved and then forcibly bred to produce more slaves.

I thought about all of this, but because I'm super self centered and assume everyone thinks like me I figured a non-human method of handling romance and sex wouldn't be that controversial for some reason. I figured when he said controversial, it would be more impactful, I guess.

I wonder what the general consensus of mudokons, glukkons, and sligs being a super species would be to people who haven't already known about it for over a decade. I still don't think it would be anything more than an "oh, okay" from the majority.

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yeah i've heard that mudokons are descended from birds so i assumed they didn't have dicks/balls and had something more resembling cloacas or something. i don't know much about birds though so i don't know if you can have a dick as well as a cloaca or whatever.

Cloacas can have concealed penises in them MA!!!!

Alf Shall Rise 04-01-2016 06:59 PM

Do you think Abe's a grower or a show-er?

Nate 04-01-2016 11:06 PM

I'm going to ignore the rather gross discussion that has taken place and simply say that my interpretation of Lorne's statement was simply that part of what he was exploring with Oddworld is how having the queen-based societal structures affect societies and the ways in which they interact. And he thinks that when they explore that in more detail that people will be shocked. I don't think he was actually talking about sex.

Oh, and there's more than one Mudokon queen.

Vlam 04-02-2016 01:46 AM

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Ad he thinks that when they explore that in more detail that people will be shocked.

Yes, but why (nothing shocking in Oddworld games so far)?

Slog Bait 04-02-2016 01:24 PM

I'd assume specifically because it's "not conventional"

Nate 04-02-2016 06:27 PM

Shocked because it leads to tribalism and genocide and other political wonders.

STM 04-03-2016 01:24 AM

Did anyone ever play that Fat Princess game where you have to steal the opponents princess and bring her back to your base? (At least it was something like that)...well the next Oddworld game is going to be that, but with Oddworld queens.

And not I don't mean Nate and Alcar.

Vlam 04-03-2016 06:36 AM

I've found this thread:

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Lorne doesn't specify what he's talking about in terms of sexual relationships, obviously. Who's to say that Munch's Oddysee was the intended medium for this controversey? Wouldn't surprise me if it was, as the reproductive models of Glukkons and Mudokons would have been seen, but I don't see this or hermaphrodites being all that controversial.


Nepsotic 04-03-2016 07:59 AM

I like the fact that we have a series focused on slavery, corporate greed and torture, and yet it's the superspecies that causes controversy.

Vlam 04-07-2016 09:51 AM

I've found this:

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Alf: Well the procreation doesn’t have to be peaceful. Of course in our fairy tale minds we want it to be but it isn’t always so. As you may know creatures often act completely different in large groups. The larger the group, the stranger things get.
http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...ralf8_03.shtml

Alf Shall Rise 04-07-2016 03:18 PM

Those are some pretty unfortunate implications.

Nepsotic 04-08-2016 02:16 AM

Sexy implications

Gunnr 04-18-2016 02:51 PM

Cloaca. I'm done.

Nepsotic 04-19-2016 11:04 AM

What

Slog Bait 04-19-2016 11:05 AM

What

FennecFyre 04-19-2016 11:06 AM

In the Butt

Crashpunk 04-19-2016 11:54 AM

https://m.popkey.co/44bf38/zJDk7.gif