This sounds good to me :) But yeah so no work has been done on HoO yet, as the programmers are on SWHD/MOHD and the artists on AOHD.

I actually have absolutely no interest in an AO remake, while I am interested in seeing a new game.

See? Just like that!

I second this.

Good thing most of us are interested in a remake and see it as a viable way of re-starting the franchise, then. Or as far as I know, based on past commentary here.

I'm not that interested in seeing AO HD. I've bought Abe's Oddysee enough times. Though I am looking forward to MO HD and am currently playing SW HD.

But Hand of Odd. I have high hopes for that game if development ever gets that far.

But it's not just HD, it's a complete remake, I'm looking forward to it. The first two are my favourite, and undoubtedly the best.

The game technology of the time really didn't do justice to the original Abe games, the reason I'm looking forward to Abe HD is that I want to see something like the original games now that the technology has finally caught up.

It's a complete remake in 3D with, I believe, altered levels. It's not going to be the same as playing AO.

That's a pretty asinine statement.

That being said, I am looking forward to Abe HD.

It wasn't supposed to be a criticism of the old games. I just remember something Lorne said about how much they downscaled the game resolution for the PS1, which is why it looks so blocky, even though the actual graphics were ahead of their time. It still looked great but I'd love to see it made without the restrictions it had back then.

It's a little disheartening to spend all day writing asset lists (design's most difficult and boring job) and then hearing people saying they're not looking forward to AHD.

Oh well, I'm sure I'll get over it in time (once the asset lists are finished).

All dickheadery aside, I feel for you on that. I really do. It's just that I've played these games, and since the remake won't bring anything new or interesting to the table (besides graphics), we will be playing them just for nostalgia's sake.

I hope that there will be a lot of people out there interested in playing for nostalgia's sake, because if not, well, there are a lot of better, more interesting sidescrollers on the market right now.

I think most people here are looking forward to it, but I can understand why people who've played AO/AE to death might not be. IMO the market for Abe HD will probably be people who were fans of Oddysee/Exoddus back in the day but didn't follow Oddworld after that, and fans of 2D platformers in general; stuff like Braid and Limbo.

Also I personally think AO/AE are the best 2D platform games ever, only Braid has ever impressed me a similar amount.

For what it's worth I'm very much looking forward to playing Abe HD.

I'll definitely buy it and I have no doubt I'll enjoy it, but I don't think it's possible for it to be as special to me as AO has been over the years even if it is better.

I hear what you're saying, but we're not the target market of Abe HD or any of the rejiggeries. They're about introducing these games to people who've never heard of them before.

I dunno about anyone else, but for me it doesn't matter how many times I've replayed AO (30+ times, perhaps more). Abe HD will still be interesting for me 'cause it won't be the same game. Sure, the characters and settings will be the same, and some of the level design will be the same as well - But it'll be a different experience because it'll be remade from the ground up with many changes and features, as a modern game. And I'm hoping I'll enjoy it as much as the original.

Also Nate said what I was implying earlier - It's designed as a way of re-starting the franchise and aimed at those who haven't heard of Oddworld before - It's not specifically targeted at us, even though we get to voice our opinions on what it should be like, and in such a way that they'll listen to us and perhaps even take our suggestions into consideration, which I'm grateful for.

So Glitch, you shouldn't get disheartened when some people on here who say they aren't looking forward to it - I really am sure most of us are, they're just being quiet about it. :) There are more people who will appreciate what you do than there are who will not appreciate it.

Also, you and the rest of the developers at JAW should bear in mind that not everybody will be happy with the remake when it's done, since some people have their expectations set impossibly high. Try not to get disheartened by that, either.

And why do I get the feeling I'll be re-quoting the last paragraph later?

They won't??! Well then, I quit! I'm not doing this if it makes someone unhappy.

May I take his place? I just LOVE making fans unhappy :)

will there be any new puzzles or areas? Or are you sticking 100% to the original?

Just to keep this thread on track, I've answered your question here Nepsotic

Thanks, I just read that thread, Did I post the same question there too?

EDIT: Oh, I see.

Then why don't you apply for a job at Ubisoft? I hear that's a requirement there

Although I'm looking forward for original content more than HD remakes, it will be pure joy to play Abe HD. As for Hand of Odd, I'm not sure it's my cup of tea but I will support it in any way I can, as well as anything JAW makes

Hey, I'm looking forward to it. But please, whatever you do, don't make it anything like that truckload of steaming poop, Command and Conquer Tiberium Alliances. Really, it should be free to play like how TF2 and Tribes Ascend are games that happen to be free - Rather than a game that no one in their right mind would pay for, such as Roblox.

Interesting PoV, what do you dislike about Alliances?

I dislike the fact they ripped off warhamer vehicles. And no games after Tiberial Sun played/felt like C&C

But in and of the game itself, what do you dislike?

Halo ripped of the Alien films immensley, that doesn't make them bad games by any means. I've never played Command and Conquer, but thats no reason to dilslike a game is it? Or is it just a plain shit game? Because that may be why I don't play it.

We're not talking about being inspired or anything like it, it's clean design ripoff
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/12/cc...r-40k-players/

It's also boring and uninspired, elements load for too long, felt too much like a facebook minigame, not a serious one... I wasn't playing for long yet

So will this game be more like starcraft or league of legends? Or something new entirely?

As I understand it it's going to be rather a lot like StarCraft; I read somewhere that JAW had decided making a whole new game from scratch would simply take way too long so they decided to do it by way of a StarCraft mod. It'll be much the same but with new textures and models and a new campaign.

That was just uncalled for.


We've not nailed down exactly the feel yet. The old GDD is a good starting point, but much of it will need tweaking somewhat to make it play closer to people current expectations of the genre.

Game was completely hands off unless you wanted to maximise resources. Combat is slow, uninteresting and often times too easy/impossible depending on how someone has built stuff, and other than PvP it's a joke because the forgotten camps/bases/outposts could be cut through like butter. Having a second base was just more resources, as were any of the subsequent bases.

Command point system was bad; spending way more points to attack the "stronger" forgotten bases for less resources or way less points to attack the weaker neighbour/friend next to you for extreme amounts?

Gaining new tech took way too long and by the time you had it you realised that Pitbull spam or Firehawk rush was the best anyway. You could easily just focus on defense instead of offense and you would never ever lose because of how the combat in the game works. Resource management wasn't fun.

I left when they added those resource packages or whatever and even by then it was becoming some pay to win festival. It felt like a complete grind. Only thing I liked was forums for the guilds (but our guild was one of the best in the entire game).

There are some people who might like it but I don't exactly like doing nothing and being limited so fiercely in a game. At least it's a beta but I feel its too far gone to save, which makes me hope it fails hard.

Also Varrok's points are pretty valid.

It just doesn't play like Command and Conquer, and its full of hideous micro-transactions. The code is really sloppy and slow, the graphics and sounds are mostly just rips from CnC3, and its just plain boring to play. Hell, it feels more like a Farmville clone than an actual Command and Conquer game, what with waiting half an hour to build a unit or something.

Oh, and it rather sneakily signs you up to Origin to play it, a service I have deliberately kept away from >.>

On the subject of micro-transactions, they are fine when done right. To bring TF2 back up, the hat thing is superficial, but is enough to keep the money pouring in. Tribes Ascend does it differently, allowing you to fast-track unlocks by paying a fiver or so. You can unlock nearly everything for free, but it takes loads of time.

But yeah, I'm really looking forward to this. It'll be nice to have an RTS to play online again (I'm still playing Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds over Gameranger. Gotta love that Age Of Empires gameplay :3)

EDIT: And for the record, CnC is consistently excellent elsewhere, until this poor web-game. CnC4 was pretty good, but only taken out of context from the series (who the hell decides to totally change game mechanics on the final franchise installment?). Its actually the only thing EA haven't totally screwed up (I hate them forever for what they did to Origin Systems, Bullfrog and Westwood - and Oddworld, if you count the lack of promotion for SW).

I can't wait for this game!

I hope the buildings in the game are life-size compared to the characters.
Unlike Warcraft 3.

Are you guys aware of "Kickstarter"? I've sure you must of heard of it at some point but i've never seen anyone mention it. Artists/Designers ect. submit projects with their desired fund goal and anyone can pledge money towards it. Sound silly? Check this out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FTLv50c8Qg

Asked for $900,000 --- Received $2,933,252 AND COUNTING

Here's the sight
http://www.kickstarter.com/

Congratulations on sounding like an automatically generated spam advert.

OMG WIL YOU CHANGED YOUR AVATAR!

To keep this on subject I look hopfully forward to getting HOO.