Despite my bad experience with cigs. Bacon flavoured ones would get me to try again.

Havoc, while you are so devout in your hatred towards cigarettes, are you against smoking marijuana? You have never smoked, nor do you intend to smoke the green stuff? If you have, you are the worst kind of person, a hypocrite. However if you don't or haven't whatever.

Actually, you are a hypocrite, I'm going to go ahead and quote you because this has pissed me off: After scowering through the 'Drug Thread' and sifting through the shit and pointless single word posts that you made, I pulled out enough to decipher that you have probably done some sort of drugs.

Oh for God's...

No wait, I was told very recently I shouldn't do that.

STM: You are wrong in assuming that telling people not to do something you have done yourself is hypocritical. Even if Havoc did smoke weed then later regretted it, there is nothing hypocritical in advising other people not to smoke it.

Actually, I believe that that is the very meaning of hypocrisy, maybe you should look at a dictionary definition if wikipedia is confusing you here you go:

And there is not advice given saying do not smoke weed, instead he is saying things based purely on blighted opinion. Perhaps he would have a stronger argument if you let him talk instead of you.

Furthermore: What you've never drunk alcohol either? Because that's gonna fuck your liver right up.

People might think I'm making mountains out of mole hills but really this type of behaviour gets to me in the end.

Are you a fucking idiot?

PEOPLE LEARN THROUGH MISTAKES

MISTAKES DO NOT INVALIDATE THE OPINIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE

THEY GENERALLY MAKE THOSE OPINIONS WHAT THEY ARE

Of course that's completely unrelated as I'm pretty sure Havoc has never touched weed in his life. But seriously.

Jesus Christ, here we go. Again. Never have I seen a better troll than Havoc. WoF, you're wasting your time. stm hasn't been here long enough to know better.

No I'm not an idiot thank you very much, although I could ask you the same question.

That's great by the way, you can't find a physical quote of me suggesting I said Havoc regretted doing weed or smoking or drinking or whatever, so you made a quote up, emboldening the bit that makes you look even thicker.

While understand that people learn through mistakes one must recognise the mistake and be willing not to make it again for it to be a successful learning curve.

I'm going to repeat what I said before, you best leave this argument to Havoc and let him have a whack at it because you're not doing him any favours.

But he lives in Netherlands! How is that possible?

Edit: STM, just so you know. He wasn't quoting you., He was quoting himself.

I refuse to believe I'm being 'trolled' if my understanding of the term is correct (and it might not be, I didn't know what a troll was until recently and I'm still not certain) these aren't the signs of trolling. Mostly because to an idiot his arguments might seem valid and well put together.

Oh come on. It's Havoc. Up until recently, the guy was sexually aroused by god damned tigers. Impossibilities + Havoc = MOST LIKELY SOLUTION

Do yourself a favor. Search the majority of Havoc's posts. More importantly, any thread that has the word 'debate' attached to it. Look for a common theme in the way he posts his opinions and what happens after he does. He's more clever than you're giving him credit for. He's a fucking creep, but he's smart.

edit

Also, you can "refuse to believe" whatever the fuck you want, but take it from someone who's seen Havoc piss a lot of people off, myself included, plenty of times over the years, more often than not, the guy is just looking for results and lolz. So you can keep mashing your keyboard with righteous indignation until your fingers are raw and your eyes are bleary, but I assure you that in the end, Havoc will have the last laugh. Because you're the one who's getting pissy, not him. Which is what a fucking TROLL goes for. That's something I speak from experience on.

Ok then. I'll take a breather, for some reason I keep expecting this forum to turn out proper debates and philosophical discussions, even at my amateurish level. Disappointment ensues every time.

*splits thread into stfu*.. Juuust kidding ^^

But yes. ON topic pplz! :D There's mint flavored cigarettes. Stuff.

ON-TOPIC

I've never so much as touched a cigarette.

And I'm the least cool person you could ever meet.

I once pretended I was smoking with one of my moms cigarettes when I was a kid, and then my mom got really angry at me saying it's nothing to joke about.

It's not something I want to do any more unless it's weed. I haven't smoked cigarettes for a week and that was only one shitty cigarello. S'all good.

Not in the states, not any more. Well, unless you mean menthols. But you used to be able to get all sorts of oddly flavored cigarettes until they were made illegal because someone decided it made smoking more alluring to children. It's not like there were Kool-Aid and cupcake flavors available...Unfortunately.

I remember my parents got interesting cigarettes whenever we went to Germany to do shopping. I think they were called Eve.

Anyway Making funny-flavored cigarettes illegal is just.. dunno, it doesn't sit well with me at all. That's way too controlling x_x blagh.

Yuck, menthol cigarettes. Now that is something that I do despise, the taste of it is not in the least satisfactory and fucks up whatever you happen to be eating/drinking at the time. But on the topic of menthol ciggies, a mate of mine lives in Jersey and she brought smokes with her that I've never heard of. Camel Menthol Crush were the name of the brand but I was not aware of this at the time.

So, standing outside a popular nightclub (where all the unsociable, awkward metalheads go to, hurr hurr) I was rolling up my ciggarette (which is my preferred smoke) whenever she offered me one of these unheard of fags. I, wanting to try something new, stopped rolling and took the fag off her and lit up.

Now these cigarettes are different from regular ones. Sure, they taste (horrible) like normal (cheap, horrid) smokes but there is a little fiber-glass ball in the fag-end that you pop and makes the smoke all minty and yucky. She just said to me to squeeze the butt really hard (lol,) so I did and was shocked to find that the flavor changed.

Enjoy that anti-climatic ending.

Smoking is disgusting. Just a horrid habbit.

You're a horrid habit.

Thankyou Chrashpunk for your very insightful input.

He's right. =9

At least, cigarettes and non-havana cigars are. ;)

I've never smoked, but a lot of my friends have tried and I'm pretty sure that at least two of my friends are secretly smoking. I have no need at all to even try.

If I were to ever try either weed or a cigarette, I'd try weed. It fascinates me.

Well it's a bit more interesting that much is certain. I'm fascinated by it because I only been high once.

My personal opinion is that smoking is bad, the closest thing to a smoke I've had was a rolled up bit of paper in which my step brother squeezed the stuff out of cigeret butts and rolled it up in the bit of paper, he pressured me into taking one puff, I coughed like hell and never touched cigerets or any form of smoking again.
but let's consider a few things to see just how bad they are:
1) once youre hooked you feel terrible when you don't have them, which can't be good, especially if you get to the point of squeezing the stuff out of cigeret butts to roll up in paper as my step brother did often
2) although It doesn't make everyone sick it make's alot of people sick the first time they have one
3) the tobacco industries are not allowed to advertize cigerets, although they somehow are allowed to advertize against the anti cigeret things with there "stop the nanny state" adds, which I think is a way of advertizing cigerets and shouldn't be allowed
4)if the government is making adds to try and stop people from smoking it can't be good, especially since there are organisations made to try and help people quit
5) and finally the first thing they test for when people have been in a fire is smoke inhalation, what are you doing to yourselfe and sometimes others when you smoke?

You... can't actually be serious?

I am serious

Do you also go baah like a nice little sheep?

The ill effects of smoking have very little to do with governmental disapproval of it. More like currying public favour.

Actually advertising against something that poses a very real threat to your health is more than fine. People need to be educated, and what better way than with the TV...

Yeah.

But

His point is vindicated by example, not by principle.

You seem to believe in this NWO shit and bull like the government is your enemy. This isn't one of your TV stories, this is real life with real people in charge, the majority of the government, doesn't want the shit that smokers put on the system. They raze the taxes to make more money from it and also to deter people by stopping them from being able to afford them.

But they don't raze the taxes.

EDIT: anyway, where the fuck did you get that idea and what the fuck was your point?

Not once have I ever showed the slightest signs of withdrawal and I have never been tempted to smoke a danger fag (leftover cigarette tobacco in a roll-up) whenever I've gone without a smoke. And the longest I've ever been without one is two weeks.

And the people it makes sick still smoke? Mustn't be to harsh of a sickness. Everyone that I know of after their first time has either gotten light-headed, coughed heavily for a few times or, and I swear to god I'm not making this up, took an erection. I've actually never met someone who has been sick over a cigarette, although I don't doubt that they're has been people.

Well, the advertising is happening right now. There is going to be at least one person going to take up smoking after seeing a film star, musician, comedian, whatever glamourisng cigarettes, and the tobacco companies knows this.

People know already that smoking is bad for you so advertising that smoking's bad for you is kind of null-void in my books. Also, I believe that if someone want's to really give up smoking, they can give it up without outside help.

First of all, don't blame house fires on cigarettes, blame it on the careless cunt who didn't stub it out correctly or fell asleep with it in his hand/mouth. Secondly, I've read stories about people surviving house fires because they smoked and their lungs were, if anyone could find a better way, built up against the smoke crippling them.

Hahaha.

I believe authority isn't vindicated by dint of being authority.

That's called exercising common sense.

You are coming out with good ones tonight.

@Ench -I'm gonna leave this here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ma...acco-retailers

Cigs have been taxed more and more by the government for the last thirty odd years.

@ Ridg - I think by that last point he meant to compare smoking to inhalation of fumes in a burning house.

e: @ WoF - You keep leaving massive holes in our arguments at the moment and yet you are being condescending towards me, that's rich. I never suggested vindicating authority because of what it is but because they set the laws which you abide by. The government is the law and they are the country, they supposedly know best and no one makes a difference by complaining. This is our lot and we have to learn to live with it.

I wonder if pseudomaturity is an actual word. I can't think of any better descriptor here.

I attack arguments on the level of principles. The principle of an argument is the foundation of a building; even if the building stands up straight without one, it'll soon get knocked down.

I actually agree with the basic opinions of arguments I've trashed points of tonight, but I definitely cannot agree with faulty arguments.

What you think I'm trying to act older than I am, what backwards area do you live in where a teenager can't voice his opinion any more...oh Glasgow, fair do's.

Nevertheless, the statement below that is void because it doesn't apply to me nor anything I've said tonight. Point something out for me and I'll explain to you in the simplest way possible what I mean.