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Strike Witch 06-12-2009 06:05 PM

You fucking fail, Dix.

Also Wing was too preachy.

bobtheguy 06-12-2009 07:46 PM

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Off the top of my head, vehicles piloted by computers would likely be more efficient.

Do you mean military vehicles? or regular cars and trucks?

Wings of Fire 06-12-2009 07:51 PM

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Also Wing was too preachy.

Oh yes, still loved it to bits though.
Duo fangirl <3<3<3

Strike Witch 06-12-2009 08:35 PM

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Duo fangirl <3<3<3
I liked the dub more, Scott McNeill is an excellent Voice Actor. He also does Ali in Gundam 00, so <3 all around.

Anonyman! 06-12-2009 08:47 PM

There's already Power Armor mockups.

bobtheguy 06-12-2009 09:05 PM

I still don't get what you were saying....

Mac Sirloin 06-12-2009 11:51 PM

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There's already Power Armor mockups.

And Big dog.

Biiiiiiiiiiig Dooooooooog

Anonyman! 06-13-2009 07:55 AM

FUCK
FINE
IF A ROBOT IS DRIVING A MILITARY VEHICLE
IT WILL NOT FLEE OUT OF FEAR
IT WILL NOT HAVE ANY HUMAN DEATHS WHEN IT BLOWS UP
IT WILL BE FAR MORE ACCURATE

COOOOOOOOOCKS

joshkrz 06-13-2009 02:29 PM

Too bad its more expensive :\

bobtheguy 06-13-2009 02:29 PM

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FUCK
FINE
IF A ROBOT IS DRIVING A MILITARY VEHICLE
IT WILL NOT FLEE OUT OF FEAR
IT WILL NOT HAVE ANY HUMAN DEATHS WHEN IT BLOWS UP
IT WILL BE FAR MORE ACCURATE

COOOOOOOOOCKS

yes, but it costs more than humans, does not have a motive to survive, can not be reasoned or negotiated with, and If it does not flee out of fear, then that is a disadvantage, If it doesn't have fear then it will charge into battles that it has no chance of winning. And it can "glitch", and start killing the wrong people.

joshkrz 06-13-2009 02:32 PM

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yes, but it costs more than humans, does not have a motive to survive, can not be reasoned or negotiated with, and If it does not flee out of fear, then that is a disadvantage, If it doesn't have fear then it will charge into battles that it has no chance of winning. And it can "glitch", and start killing the wrong people.

This isn't really gonna happen you know. They will probably make something like "Microsoft Windows Brain Reader", where you think and it outputs the complete opposite.

Wings of Fire 06-13-2009 02:34 PM

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yes, but it costs more than humans,

Can't put a price on human life.
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does not have a motive to survive,
Someone's been watching far too many Super Robot shows... an AI would have survival as its prime directive, that's pretty good motive.
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can not be reasoned or negotiated with,
But you can negotiate with it's master.
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and If it does not flee out of fear, then that is a disadvantage, If it doesn't have fear then it will charge into battles that it has no chance of winning.
No, it won't because of a little thing called logic.
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And it can "glitch", and start killing the wrong people.
The chances of a computer system glitching to change target are pretty close to 0%, no matter what movies tell you. It'd probably have glitched into shutdown first.

bobtheguy 06-13-2009 02:57 PM

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Can't put a price on human life.

Someone's been watching far too many Super Robot shows... an AI would have survival as its prime directive, that's pretty good motive.

But you can negotiate with it's master.

No, it won't because of a little thing called logic.

The chances of a computer system glitching to change target are pretty close to 0%, no matter what movies tell you. It'd probably have glitched into shutdown first.

1.a human's life can be priced, but it depends on who they are and how important they are.
2.I hate shows about robots that malfunction and take over the world, besides even if I did, I don't have cable so there isn't much cartoon robot shows on my T.V. also what would that motive be? so that it can serve another 10 years working in the military blowing up people and not getting paid.
3.In some situations you don't have time.
4.I guess your right on that.
5.Yes but even if it didn't malfunction and confuse the target, it could accidently open fire on it's team without trying.

Anonyman! 06-13-2009 02:58 PM

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yes, but it costs more than humans, does not have a motive to survive, can not be reasoned or negotiated with, and If it does not flee out of fear, then that is a disadvantage, If it doesn't have fear then it will charge into battles that it has no chance of winning. And it can "glitch", and start killing the wrong people.

Right. We're gonna make HURRDURR IMMA COMPUTER MACHIEH

PEWPEWPEW

IMMA CHARGE ENEMY FORCES HURRDURR HURRDURR

Plus, not every vehicle needs it's own computer. They could all be wireless connected or someut.

OddjobAbe 06-13-2009 03:02 PM

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1.a human's life can be priced, but it depends on who they are and how important they are.

I fucking dispute this.

bobtheguy 06-13-2009 03:06 PM

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I fucking dispute this.

it's true, who do you think would be worth more to the world, a hobo (not the moderator named hobo) or the president?

OddjobAbe 06-13-2009 03:07 PM

It's not fucking true. If I came across a hobo, and he was a nice enough person, I would deem him as worthy of living as anyone else. You're fucking wrong. Do you have no respect for human life? Do you have any respect for any kind of life?

bobtheguy 06-13-2009 03:14 PM

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It's not fucking true. If I came across a hobo, and he was a nice enough person, I would deem him as worthy of living as anyone else. You're fucking wrong. Do you have no respect for human life? Do you have any respect for any kind of life?

okay, but I mean who would be more important to have a hobo who was mean and stupid, or a president who was nice and smart

Wings of Fire 06-13-2009 03:18 PM

Stop confusing definitions.

MA 06-13-2009 03:22 PM

you cant just lump them into different categories BTG. life's more complicated than that.

bobtheguy 06-13-2009 03:25 PM

I don't think anyones understanding my point here.......

OddjobAbe 06-13-2009 03:27 PM

Because your point is flawed and fucked up.

Listen. People are all equal. At least, they should be. You can't put a value on life just because of a person's class or position. It does not work like that. Not in the slightest.

bobtheguy 06-13-2009 03:34 PM

no, it's not, okay I'll try to make one more comparison, who do you think the government would pay more to have as a hostage, a terrorist who was planning to blow-up the white house or a baby who had just been born ,and had no connection with terrorists. definately a terrorist.

OddjobAbe 06-13-2009 03:36 PM

What the fuck are you on about?

Alright, I'll put a value on you. You'll be either working class or middle class. Because of your views, I'm going to say middle class. You don't seem to have very strong morals, and you can't figure out where the shift key is. You come to about a fiver.

joshkrz 06-13-2009 03:55 PM

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no, it's not, okay I'll try to make one more comparison, who do you think the government would pay more to have as a hostage, a terrorist who was planning to blow-up the white house or a baby who had just been born ,and had no connection with terrorists. definately a terrorist.

By worth more, you mean the one who has most money right. Like Bill Gates compared to Tom, Dick and Harry. Bill Gates is worth more in that situation, but some how I feel that's not what your trying to get at...

OddjobAbe 06-13-2009 04:00 PM

Bill Gates wouldn't be worth more, Joshkrz. He's simply be more wealthy.

joshkrz 06-13-2009 04:12 PM

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Bill Gates wouldn't be worth more, Joshkrz. He's simply be more wealthy.

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By worth more, you mean the one who has most money right.

I was asking if he meant that.

OddjobAbe 06-13-2009 04:14 PM

I misread your post. It is my blunder, and I apologise.

joshkrz 06-13-2009 04:22 PM

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I misread your post. It is my blunder, and I apologise.

No problem, its late anyway and I know I don't think straight at this time.

Nate 06-13-2009 06:12 PM

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The chances of a computer system glitching to change target are pretty close to 0%, no matter what movies tell you. It'd probably have glitched into shutdown first.

It's not about it changing targets, it's about whether it's all that good at differentiating enemy targets from friendly ones.

Like in WWII when the Russians trained dogs by putting food underneath tanks, then put them on to the battlefield with TNT strapped to their backs in the hope that they'd run to the German tanks and explode. Except that the dogs didn't recognise the German tanks and instead turned around and ran towards to the Russian tanks with which they'd been trained.

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Can't put a price on human life.

You clearly haven't had all that much contact with big business or bureaurocrats. You certainly can put a cost on human life; how much will the lawsuit cost you if things go wrong? Also, how much will it cost you in negative reputation and lost sales? It's worth it to spend up to that amount but no more ensuring that things don't go wrong.

bobtheguy 06-13-2009 08:06 PM

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By worth more, you mean the one who has most money right. Like Bill Gates compared to Tom, Dick and Harry. Bill Gates is worth more in that situation, but some how I feel that's not what your trying to get at...

by saying that the terrorist was worth more as a hostage to the government than a baby, I meant that the government would pay more to have a terrorist as a hostage than a baby, because a baby couldn't give any information about an upcoming terrorist attack while a terrorist can.
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By the way, oddjobabe, I'm just trying to make a point, I'm not trying to insult anyone.

ArtemisPanthar 06-13-2009 09:45 PM

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by saying that the terrorist was worth more as a hostage to the government than a baby, I meant that the government would pay more to have a terrorist as a hostage than a baby, because a baby couldn't give any information about an upcoming terrorist attack while a terrorist can.
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By the way, oddjobabe, I'm just trying to make a point, I'm not trying to insult anyone.

I really don't think that example has anything to do with what you were talking about. Your example is situational and does not at all imply that the baby has any less actual worth than the terrorist, but that the terrorist is the one applicable to that situation.

The point is - yes, people do put worth on human life. People think that some people are worth more than others. However, that's perception, that's our desire to classify and rank ourselves. No one really has any more worth than another. We like to think they do, that "we" are better than "they" but if you look, really look, we're all just people.

Afterall, who's the authority on how much a person is worth? Do we give that power to the government simply because we are governed by them? Should it then be OK to dispose of less worthy people? Understand this is the same line of thinking that was/is behind hate crimes against groups of people and mass genocides like the Holocaust.

Anonyman! 06-13-2009 10:01 PM

Don't program the computer to be stupid. Fuck, put anti-shootme chips in the soldiers if the machine goes retard.

bobtheguy 06-13-2009 10:12 PM

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I really don't think that example has anything to do with what you were talking about. Your example is situational and does not at all imply that the baby has any less actual worth than the terrorist, but that the terrorist is the one applicable to that situation.

The point is - yes, people do put worth on human life. People think that some people are worth more than others. However, that's perception, that's our desire to classify and rank ourselves. No one really has any more worth than another. We like to think they do, that "we" are better than "they" but if you look, really look, we're all just people.

Afterall, who's the authority on how much a person is worth? Do we give that power to the government simply because we are governed by them? Should it then be OK to dispose of less worthy people? Understand this is the same line of thinking that was/is behind hate crimes against groups of people and mass genocides like the Holocaust.

the middle part of what you are saying is almost exactly what I was trying to say this whole time.
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What the fuck are you on about?

Alright, I'll put a value on you. You'll be either working class or middle class. Because of your views, I'm going to say middle class. You don't seem to have very strong morals, and you can't figure out where the shift key is. You come to about a fiver.

i know where the shift key is. i use it all the time. especially at the beginning of sentences.
and how is everyone who is middle class supposed to be like what you just described. just because we have good jobs doesn't mean were bad. also the shift key is a good key.

Anonyman! 06-13-2009 10:27 PM

Way to not fucking capitalize while you try to make a point about how you capitalize. Unless you're trying to be ironic or something. Still, fail.



ALSO


You're not bad because you're middle class. You're bad because you're a bad middle class. Savvy?

bobtheguy 06-13-2009 10:32 PM

how am i bad?

Strike Witch 06-13-2009 10:58 PM

You're a Powerglove?

OddjobAbe 06-14-2009 12:26 AM

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i know where the shift key is. i use it all the time. especially at the beginning of sentences.

I dispute this.

And by the way, many, many working class people have great jobs. We're just as good as the middle class.

Strike Witch 06-14-2009 12:34 AM

CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

Anyway, I think that the success or failure of Artificial Intelligence systems in a military role is their ability to A. tell friend from foe and B. be able to figure abstract concepts out.

Anonyman! 06-14-2009 08:10 AM

When I type in all caps, I hold the shift button down. Capslock is for pussies.