Listen, if you guys want to ban me I would appreciate if you just got it over with. I mean, Christ. You are so fucking fickle. One minute I'm in fashion. The next I'm treated as the worst thing to happen to this place. Make up your minds.

I said I wouldn't weigh into this, but being the slightly drunk (read: trashed) individual I am, I don't particularly have a problem.

But just for the record, Mutual Friend was never banned.

Alcar...

I know that. Doesn't change the fact that the idea was extensively considered for no reason other than Max's falling out with him.

Mutual Friend was never banned, and I never called for his banning. I never let my relationship with him affect my judgement of his posts. Yes, I used Employee Lounge to rant about him, but he was PMing my friends accusing them of being swayed by some sermon of MF‐hate I was delivering to them in his own little world. (I read PMs sent neither by nor to me. Figure that one out.) I find it incredible this is coming up now, and I really hope he’s over it by now. And yes, we know someone showed MF the thread in question.

Wired has been maintained as someone to start WDYLL threads and other institutionalized topics. There are no pretences that he is some autonomous member. The people whose faces in which this is the biggest slap will be those that started and maintained him for original practical joke, who have all left. It’s still against the rules, but it’s now avoiding all the reasons we have to ban multis in the first place.

Well I didn’t, so you needn’t work hard at keeping up all that shit not giving. And the only mod giving you rep for trollish posts is Hobo.

I showed him the thread. And it was not a ranting. It was a brainstorm on how to ban him and make it look like it wasn't what it was.

This is getting ridiculous, when did some of you guys turn into such drama queens? I honestly think some of you people need to consider new (read: better) ways of creating post-worthy threads in this forum - because guess what - this forum deserves better. If you actually think everyone wants to read your stupid, way-over-the-line-after-midnight-boredom-inspired-thread about raping people (this thread included) then hold up for a second, think again - because nobody wants that stuff around here.

Also, you're in fashion? Since when? You want a medal? You're a member, just like everyone else. Rules still apply. Deal with it. Quit bitching. Stop creating stupid threads.

Finally, used, this is an assfuck of a thread - if you want to whine about mods and their decisions, take it over PM. Both you and oanst are being utterly disrespectful - you see eachother's bitching as an excuse to grab pitchforks. Grow up.

It's an expression. My point is that everyone thinks it's funny and then they don't. I can't keep up, is all.

Yeah, an expression. :rolleyes: I bet every "expression" is reason enough for you to start a bitch-session.

I don't even know what you mean by that.

Probably cause you're too busy thinking of new ways to troll.

But here, a hint;

The only thread where we really discussed MF was the General Business thread, of which only pertained to the deliberation between staff over the decision to award him a custom title.

That, and you don't have access to EL. Which only raises further questions...

Alcar...

Yes.......... Your previous sentence still doesn't make sense.




And Alcar, there was more disussed than that. I understand that people were sticking up for their friend but that was a bit dirty.

Let's try again, shall we?

Of course, we all have our loyalties.

Although, if you have seen said thread, you'll know that my opinion of MF never changed regardless.

Alcar...

Killy; don't you think you're being just a bit too aggressive? We've already reached the conclusion that Oanst is usually a silly troll.

This thread is rapidly turning into a flame war.

You're probably right, there was no need for me to add to it. However, I still felt inclined to voice my opinion on this matter - it's disturbing to see this place degrade so rapidly, all due to the "contributions" of a select few.

Sorry about that.

I don't like the train of thought that OANST is a troll. I know trolls. Hell, I've been a troll a few times! The OWF have always had a higher tolerance for intellectual 'trolls' (if you must), negating my years back attempt at Nazi overlord crack-down, of course.

We do give leniency to members, and perhaps we gave too much. It's unfair to suddenly turn around and spew what's been brewing all at once.

If anything, I'd like to see a positive outcome from this. At least a redefinition of the rules - and yes, I realise I'm a year or two behind in typing up the new rules, but that has never stopped us from enforcing new 'legislature' without it being added to the physical rules before.

EDIT: Just to reiterate, I found no problem with the 'who would you rape' thread, so long as it was properly moderated, I don't think it would have been anything more than a laugh. However, I don't think OANST should have responded the way he did. Swearing won't achieve anything, and I'm sure you know this OANST. But, of course, I cannot honestly say I would have acted any differently. Shame on me!

Alcar...

I think you might be confused about what the word expression means.



Okay, I've been a bit unfair. Max never came out and said he wanted MF banned from what I saw. Other people did (Nate, in particular) but Max's relationship with him was used as the catalyst.

As for my response to Splat: I did not appreciate his patronizing pm accusing me of posthorrea and may have over reacted a bit. I never would have made a thread like this but I did take advantage of it after it was created. I have only been putting up about 2 to 5 posts a day for the most part and didn't really think I was being overly spammy. Apparently I was wrong.


To end. Yes, it was a shit thread. But it was a shit thread in which a mod posted in the spirit of the thread. Fun. It's difficult to see how it warranted an infraction from someone who isn't even an off topic mod.

I’m still not sure about any discussion of banning Mutual Friend, but I appreciate that you’ve refined your claim, OANST. It has always been the case that all mods can give warnings/infractions beyond their own area, and if we felt it was a bad thing we’d have stopped that ability before now.

If it’s the word ‘postorrhoea’ you find patronizing, then you should know it’s what ‘spam’ has been renamed (I believe inappropriately; it’s a word more suited to the posting behaviour of MeechShrykull1029 when he first joined). Al the same, the public objection is not appreciated. You can always take things to the next highest staff level.

I wish there were a way to word this all that didn’t sound so… pretentiously businesslike.

OANST, I apologise for sounding patronising; it wasn't my intention. My comment was rather flippant, yes; I was trying to be humerous, since that's the sort of thing I do, and I'm sorry for the misunderstanding that's escalated so much. I really didn't want things to blow up like this. Guess I'm too used to dealing with the nooblets we get in RPG and Fancorner and it didn't occur to me to deal with you any differently to how I have to deal with them, which is my fault. (Yes, mods suck sometimes, you know?)

And I agree with Max about the 'postorrhoea' term being inapropriate; I think we should deal with the infractions (other than insta-ban, which only happens to advert-bots) somewhat more seriously.

It was the 'favourite position' thread that bothered me firstly, which was clearly only ever going to be spam, and seeing a second thread by you, the rape one, which I felt was in a similar vein, I thought it was necessary to remind you of the rules. I spoke to Max in EL and he told me he should probably have not posted there until he saw where it went.
When it so obviously degraded to spam and nothing but, he agreed to close it. I'd suggested infracting you and he said it was my choice. I don't know if he considered the thread as bad to begin with as I did.

I don't expect you to get banned now; clearly this has had rather more than the impact I'd hoped. I just want people to remember that there's a difference between a funny post or thread, and a pointless or inappropriate one. This applies to everyone, not just OANST. There are several members who would benefit from remembering it.

I assume you're talking about the thread started by me, in which case it was a discussion regarding whether he deserved a custom title. There was no discussion at all about banning him. It's a topic we chat about on occassion, when someone asks me for a CT and I don't personally think they're deserving; perhaps other mods have a different opinion or perhaps they post a lot in FC or RPG and I don't see it.

In that particular thread, there was unanimous agreement that he didn't deserve it. None of the moderators approved of him either as a member or on a personal level. Sure, Max had a little bitch about MF but he also stated quite clearly that his feelings should not be taken in to account. They weren't. The fact is that MF was a whiny little bitch whose only contributions to OWF were snarky one liners and the odd rant. That thread can best be summed up by the last post, in response to T-nex asking whether MF could ever recieve a CT:

Now, on to the real issue.

If I were in Max' position, I probably would have done the same thing. My first thought on reading your post was "Uhoh, this is going to go badly" but I still would have given it a chance to be witty or entertaining. It ended up being neither of those things so he was right to move it to Necrum.

I also have no problem with Splat giving you an infraction in response to behaviour over a number of posts. I've done the same thing myself. He even asked in EL whether it was a good idea or not and got no objections.

Frankly, we all value you as a member. However, sometimes you go through stages where you're not straddling the line between humour and trollishness but rather dancing a merry jig on the other side. In the past, a short, sharp rap on the knuckles generally gave you the hint to straighten out. Not sure why this time is any different.

Because this time...it's personal.

That pretty much sums this entire thread up. Nate saves the day as usual.

I can definately see why OANST made his thread though. OT can get super boring, sometimes the only posts in it on a certain day will be Mod Survivor Island and something about elevators or some shit. I was going to make a 'What is the size of your penis?' thread, but when I tried I was such a noob I didn't know how to make a poll because I miss the 'make a poll' button.

I don't venture far from OT.

I might pop into the EL once in a blue moon simply because I can [ though the majority of you are about as exciting as watching paint dry ].

I feel the need to post here. I'm not sure why.

Wait, I am sure. Here goes:

OANST, you know I love you, babe. Lots. We're cut from the same cloth. Kindred spirits. Hetero-life partners. Whatever. I apparently missed out on a doozy of a thread, which saddens me.


Wait. I don't really have a point. Other than this:


I would rape Killy because Killy is a self righteous little prick that has no real business being here. Killy is stupid. Killy is ugly. Killy say mean things to OANST. This make DI not so happy. But DI no smash when mad. No. DI rape when mad. So DI rape Killy to death and everyone happy in the end. Except for poor DI's penis. Penis sad for touching Killy. But Penis know it had to be done.

hahahahahahahahahahahha.

I am out of control.

Wow.
Umm, firslty, I'd like to say that I'm sorry about the misunderstanding, I am in no way offended by the rape thread, I have no idea if anyone else is/ was, I was just opening your eyes to what happens in this world, and it is perfectly possible that someone will be very deeply effected by the thread.
Firstly, I understand the intention was out of humour, but there's some times where you have to know when to stay silent, yes I know this is a forum, but you can go to far.
You should at least have provided a warning fro those who could have been affected though.

I know the mods, etc. made up with OANST, so I'll leave it at that, and who am I to judge, however, I find myself wanting to actually stick up for OANST and say that recently he has changed alot, and some people tend to pegeonwhole alot of people who have changed.
Also, alot of people have entirley valid arguments, T-nex and Killy included.
That's all I have to say, I hope I didn't piss anyone off, I just felt the need to say something after my... erm... explosion.

You call that an explosion? I call that a hissy fit.

If no one has anything else to add isn't it about time this was closed? It just seems to be going nowhere now; just people repeating whats been said and trying to stoke the flamewar-that-almost-was.

Noo! Leave it opened just for the heck of it :) So that 5 years from now, some noob will reply to this thread saying something like "Rape iz bad omgz!" and everyone will be reminded of how silly we were, arguing and arguing on about this...

Here, here!

I'm glad I stayed out of this thread, mainly because I have nothing constructing to say about the topic...

Well, explosion on my terms, as outside the computer I exploded, in the forums I tried to contain myself a bit.
P.s. I'm always having a hissy fit.
Oh and ditto to what T-nex said.

Someone put my quiz thread in Necrum. That was unfair. There was a quiz thread in the past, but it is old. Why did it get put in Necrum? I think this thread is the place I should post this.

Done and done. :)

I've said it before about many similar issues and I'll say it again; if you're going to create a quiz thread, it helps if you include a quiz.

Creating a thread to say "Here is a place to share your xyz..." is a fasttrack to Necrum.

Sex thread?

Leto provided sex ratings, fulfilling Nate’s Thread Creation Justification Guidelines.

Stop being a whiney little getting-none bitch, Charles

edit: cunt. someone reopen it

Max,Splat,Nate ,BM and Xavier are the only ones who I see that are mods by what they done .

Agreed with SAD!

Edit: HORIA_ROKS SUCKS!!!!!
Edit: Who made the first edit sucks!
Edit: Whoever made the second edit sucks!!!!
Edit: Who made the third edit is a hobo
Edit: I eat balls!
Edit: Yes, he's right! Hobo really eats balls!

Hobo is a mod 'by what they done' more than any of us. I've seen the pictures.