I dont think sam would be able to posses and even if she could they would be useless because of anti chant orbs, I doubt they wouldnt install them in such an importent room.

Why would egg laying queens suffer the same pain giving birth as mammals? Surely their dedicated reproductive abdomen should be perfect for passing the eggs out?

Well, I think she would be too mad to possess someone. She is on the verge of commiting suicide isn't she?

Think of it as shitting out twelve bowling balls every other second. Not fun.

That was actually an activity at the holiday camp I stayed at last week :eek:

But as the only purpose of existence, I would have thought that the drive to remain and reproduce would be very powerful in a queen, as is the sex drive in (most) people. Those that lack the urge do not reproduce, those that have it pass on the sex drive to their offspring. Basic evolution.

But this is getting a tad off topic now.

Hmmm, good point. And to stay on topic; hurrah for the movie. ^_^

Now....yes the drive to reproduce can be very powerful, but when it means that kind of pain for life, well I suppose even the strongest of inctincts can be broken.

For the on-topic part, I don't think if we see Sam in the movie, but you never know.

For the real reason why I'm posting, the difference between Sam and a human is this. A human's reproduction need is based on a choose, not a forcful thing. Sam on the other hand, is reproducing by the minute, and the Vykkers force her to do that. I bet life was much better before the Glukkons rebelled. On the other hand, she might be depressed that her children are going into slavery without her say on anything. Plus, her abdomen isn huge and she can't move to do anything. So, that's all I wanted to say.

Then how on Earth did they get her into Vykkers Labs?

We can suppose that she wasn't always like that. Also, the Vykker Labs should had been in the making maybe, when they had placed her in the Vykker Labs.

That is a plausible theory. Maybe we might see the scenes cut out of MO in the movie?

How do you think?

Well, she was big, so I guess they didn't bring her through the front door.

She was probably a lot thinner then, she probably even had hips, the Vykkers could have overfed her? My sister said the Mudokon queen ate too many cream cakes. *shrugs*

She probably wasn't thinner then, she was going through the same birthing cycle she is now. What I'm trying to get through is that you should try and be a litte constructive with your theories. She was probably hauled up with a crane of some sort. And keep keep in mind they have been in control of Sam for a long time, so she hasn't always resided in the same birthing chamber you see in the picture.

how do you know.

Well, the big question is, how are they going to rescue her without making her commit suicide, which she is so close but prevented from doing.

I suspect that undeveloped queens; the "princesses" if you will, look similar to the workers until it is time to take on the mantle of breeding queen, when they balloon.

I'm sure Lorne had something planned for that eventuality. I imagine that she would have given life a little more time to prove itself when the option of escae presented itself to her. Perhaps a huge bird portal would open up beneath her, though that seems too easy. I expect it would have been more like a total raid, with freed and native mudokons dropping out of portals all over the labs, geared up and ready for action, protecting Abe, Munch and Sam as they make their laborious escape. The fuzzles may well have leant a hand (so to speak) and several airships would probably fly out to prevent Abe/Lulu's airship from getting away, in the biggest Oddworld battle this side of Hand of Odd.

At least, that's what I hope it would have been like.

I don't. I just think with a creative and logical mind. In truth, it doesn't matter, the little things of how they transported Sam don't matter on bit. It's the state of things now that count.

how comes there arent many female mudokens?

I think Mudokons have no sexual organs so there is no need for females, but I'm not sure.

there are queens ;)

To add to Xavier's answer, I might have a theory that makes sense.

Well, Mudokon tribes obviousily need large amounts of labor to be accomplished in order to survive, and having the Worker class Mudokons have sexual relationships that would distract them, is not healthy for Mudokon tribes. So it only makes sense that Mudokons would evolve to have sexless Mudokons.

Another thing is that the reason why most of the Mudokons we see look like males, is because there really isn't too much of difference between a sterile female and a sterile male. If females had no reproductive organs, what use would nursing organs be to them? So that shows that sterile female and male Mudokons, are really no different in appearance.

Also, for some reason, the Worker class Mudokons brains are structured to be male like, so that could also explain something.

Well if they were anything like humans, it would actually be the other way around. Males fetuses that have either an inability to produce testostorone or that have a resistance to it (ie the hormone has no effect on them) develop externally as females - they have breasts and the external appearance of female sexual organs. Internally, however, there are no ovaries but actually undropped testicles.

It's vague, but it is implied that there is a breed of drone Mudokons that supplies the male portion needed in the species.

Alf once did say they were drones, which would make it not implicit but explicit. :p

But yes! We know as much about them as Khanzumers and Squeek.

It's easier to introduce characters in the first movie to get them over and done with, so then you have more time to go into depths wit hthat character in the rest of the movies.

Yes, This would be good. I was thinking of this. But isn't Sam kept in Vykkers Labs, and Abe was born in Rupture Farms.

Yep! If she were introduced, it would be a cameo appearance. Unless the mythos of Oddworld was changed for the films, which wouldn't be unusual.

That's what I think. If we even see her at all. I figured that it would begin with Abe hatching, maybe someone commenting on his weird blue color, and then him being sent off with the other workers.

As for the discussion on Sam, since she resembles a termite, I would think that the mudokons would resemble them as a species as well. So the mudokons we've come into contact with are essentially genderless, since they are sterile anyway. They are just the workers. Maybe something else is done with the "soldiers" and "breeders", or maybe hormones are injected into Sam so that she only lays workers. As for producing another female (I think all of the workers look like human males), she can either lay an egg with a female in it, or she can lay a normal egg and it would just get some sort of special treatment to make it female (think bees).
As for special powers, I think that the queen would need possession power most of all, since she is immobile. Kind of like the Almighty Raisin and the ratz, I think that she would use the power of possession to move around and see the world, since she is physically incapable in her own body.

the films could be the beginning of oddworld. way before abe and munch because oddworld didnt start there did it, with it starting in the beggining you could create characters leading up to others such as abe then as SilverTwilight 5 said have the birth of abe but lorne lanning could answer all the questions we keep asking ourselves such as who/what are khansumers etc.if he did a pre-abe/munch/stranger films it could pan out oddworld in a more understandable way. if that makes any sense.

Its becuase their like bees, they have one queen who is female and all the male bees work for her
p.s sorry didnt realize there was more pages

What's your point Abe 01?

Aside from that; Rules state that you can only have one image in your sig so either get rid of the big image or get rid of the usersigs.

Actually, in bee hives all of the workers are female, and the males are only used for mating. I think in Mudokon "colonies" the workers are gender neutral, but we refer to them as male because they resemble human males. We have not been introduced to male mudokons yet.

Egad!

Can we please restrict the discussion to topics that haven't been discussed to the death? Use the search function if you must know what has gone before.

Do you think greeters are important enough to make it into the film?

They would be nice to see, but I wonder if they are going to pool AO and AE together. AE's style was a bit different, and the end of AO was a nice ending point (for the game, if they change it around a bit I guess it could work).

They were pretty funny though, reminded me of evil clowns.

EDIT: were Greeters in AO? Its been a while since I've played the industrial levels (I usually hang out around the Monsaic Lines and Paramonia)

Yeah for some reason I just imagined abe in the movie sneaking around and one of them is just like rolling toward him and it looks mechanical and cool.

But it would be even better to see a shrink.

Especially since we haven't really seen what Shrinks are like. That commercial doesn't really count, that's only what they look and sound like. I want to hear what they have to say. Wasn't there a description somewhere that said they hated their jobs, but that they were nearly immortal (500yrs I think) and had to put up with all of Sam's mood swings and such?

That used to be on Oddworld.com, in the Universe section. It contained information specific to the Shrink that takes care of Sam. It hates its job and longs for freedom. It hates Sam, but also identifies with her.

Male refers to a person's sex, not their gender. Prior to SW all the characters we'd seen were men by human gender standards. They were just sexless.

Owly... don't spam please!