Ahahahahahahahahahahaha! :lol: Hahaha! :lol:

*ahem* :|

Ouch...so harsh, but so true. ;)

Anyway, I'm not forcing anybody to stay or anything, I just don't like to see people leave over stupid reasons, but I now realize that death just doesn't like the OWF, so he can do what he wants.


-oddguy :fuzcool:

I too am full of all of Alcars neo-nazi bullshit. And another thing.. If you flame a n00b(I use the 0's because of the sheer retardedness of the being *cough* Abe 16 *cough*) you dont get banned or posting rights removed. If you even make a harsh offense twords a mod, you practicly get perma-banned...

Shop Hack would pwn the shit off of this forum and un-lame it.

Also... recognition for the Vet's... I am the oldest running member (in being a member) other than Xav and Abe Babe. I've been here longer than all the mods (other than Xav) and have I got any recognition or even a custom title. Do I expect one? Not really..

And another thing...

Don't worry Jameslton, I respect you


If I don't you'll hit me :fuzsad:

Like hell I will...


But seriously, this whole thing is going to turn into the Russian revalution. Except its going in reverse... right now, its the U.S.S.R. lead by Alcar *cough* Stalin *cough*. Hopefuly we can fix this...

Hopefuly.

I don't see what the big deal is. As long as I still get to discuss Oddworld with my buddies, I'm fine. A custom title would be nice, but it's not the most important thing in the world.

*ducks*

Don't hit me! :eek:

I'd have to agree with Oddguy...all the little bells and whistles are nice, but not that essential. I don't think I'd really miss 'em.

They are essential in identifying us the way we wish to be identified. Just something to give us more character, more life.

It's a psychological issue, when we strip it down to its bare bones, for instance:

Right now I don't feel like I'm talking to people, I feel like I'm talking to labeled forum content entities - but if we all had our own custom title to identify ourselves with, it would humanize the situation, and thus make us all alot more empathetic.

If I threw a remark at you, Mac, I wouldn't feel too bad about myself afterwards. But if I could see a considerable amount of evidence in front of me, that you are a breathing, thinking, feeling human being, then I would think twice about what I would say to you. Same goes for anyone else.

Photos in avatars don't seem to have the same effect, same goes for signitures. But custom titles and stars have this certain 'something' about them. It's identification on a whole different level. A person gets a custom title so rarely, that they only get something put there if it is really heartfelt, or honest, and something that really means something to us.

Does that not contradict itself? If we make custom titles available to everyone, the novelty will eventually wear off. In the end they will become exactly like signatures and avatars (according to you). Meaningless. So why only make them available to a select few? And keep the novelty of a custom title in tact. Not only that, but it gives members something to strive for.

Also, if we make custom titles available to everyone, the whole concept of our rank system, where you gain a new specialised Oddworld title every so often (based on post count) is lost. The novelty of the rank system is destroyed. I know that when I first joined, the rank system was fantastic. You didn't know what was next, and when you got a new rank, you couldn't believe it.

I simply believe you aim to take the Oddworld from the Oddworld Forums. This isn't about making titles look flashy, or giving users personalities. They have personalities. We just have to get to known them better, understand them better. How can you expect members to integrate into our community if all they get is pissed off members looking at the newest member to unload their anger on? I have no qualms in admitting you do this with your brash nature. I cannot believe the audacity in your claims of giving people more personality. When I look at a user, I look at how productive they are. Are they friendly? Do they contribute? I still have my list of potential Moderators in my head. New ones, that will be the successors of those that leave. These members are the ones that don't complain about their status, they don't try and start inter-forum wars, they have a nice attitude, and as I said earlier, they contribute. The reason we have rules, is to protect members from people who do treat them like a computer. Don't you dare try and cover up what you do with the excuse "I treat them as computers". By doing that, you strip every member here of their rights and personalities.

Finally, when a member complains about not having a custom title, they are in turn stating they think they are better than everyone else. They think they deserve it, over all others. One of the things I hate most, is members complaining that they aren't treated equally, that they are less priviledged. All members (bar the staff and those that are banned) are in the same usergroup. You each are equal. If Abe Babe or I think you worthy of a custom title, we will approach you. More often that not, it will be because of your interest in regards to an Oddworld related issue.

Alcar...

well i think that sorts it then. No shop hack.

Meaning no disrespect, but it sounds like what you're saying is that if we had this shop hack, and had personalised titles, you would treat us more like we were people.
For instance(Still meaning no disrespect), you might not threaten me with hacking. Or call Alcar a nazi (just as an example). You get the idea.

If you'd like to discuss a similar thing to the Shop Hack, which I had originally promised to look into, please visit the following thread:

User Promotions

Alcar...

No it doesn't contradict itself. The custom titles will not be "available to everyone". You will have to earn money to buy one, and to earn money you have to post. Simple, so simple I'm amazed you didn't get it in the first place. Your argument is now invalid on 1 point.

No it isn't. If you don't want a custom title, then you don't buy one, simple as that. I don't see why you think it is so "fantastic" to get a new rank. That very statement contradicts your argument of "people will just post spam to get enough money to buy a custom title". Well, if the ranks were so fantastic, then I imagine people spammed just to get the next one. If they didn't, then your argument is now invalid on 2 points.

No I don't. I like Oddworld, and unless all people talk about once the shop hack is implemented, is custom titles, ranks, and so on, I seriously doubt anything like this could take the Oddworld out of Oddworld forums. This invalidates your intelligence on 1 point.

Yes, yes it is about making titles look flashy you dipshit. You've contradicted your previous argument twice now. Shop hack is EXACTLY the same as ranks. It serves exactly the same purpose. If you agree with ranks, YOU AGREE WITH SHOP HACK. This contradiction now invalidates your argument on 3 points.

What? WTF has that got to do with anything? Try and stay on topic you hapless moron.

OH I see, it's a personal bash at me. How very intelligent and grown up of you.

When you "look" at a new user eh? Do you think they really care what you think of them? Don't be so ****ing arrogant. You aren't so special that everyone seeks out your approval.

Since a custom title would cost 1000 neutral or + rated posts, you wouldn't be able to buy one if you hadn't made a sizeable contribution.

Good for you. I don't care. I'm not here to become a moderator, I'm here to talk about SHOP HACK. Stay on topic please.

ok, 1 stop bashing me, 2 stay on topic.

You barely even follow your rules yourself. So don't you dare try bashing me with that.

No I don't. I didn't say that at all. I said that I see people as computers when I am angered. The example I gave was one that stated that if I came to a fight, I would feel less bad about whatever it was I said, than if it happened in real life.

No they aren't, they are saying that they don't feel they are being recognised for what they are contributing to your forum. And when you say "when a member asks for a custom title, they think they are better than everyone else", the member that was seeking a custom title, just thinks to himself "well **** this, I might as well be slaughtering pedophiles for all you care".

No they don't, that is a massive mistake to make. Those who feel they aren't being recognised for their contribution, if anything, would feel solidarity with others who deserve one more than they do, and may even add them to their argument. I know I do. Oddguy, Sligslinger, Grig, ferill, Hobo, all these guys have contributed much more than I have, and they all deserve a custom title much more than I do, but just because I'm arguing for their right to get one, doesn't mean I'm personally asking for one.

If we set the required postcount at say 1000 posts for a custom title, I wouldn't be able to get one for another 200 or so posts.

Why? What else do you expect them to do? Just let you continue to treat them unfairly by not recognising their efforts? Sure, you may occasionally mention them, and thank them for what they do here, but that isn't anything really, and it is increadibly arrogant on your part.

That's the thing. You think the staff are above everyone else, so you talk to people as though they are DUMB, and as though they aren't on the level with you. You treat them equally this way. And you think banned members are below everyone else.

The last one is fair enough, but the first one is a grave mistake.

It's a grim fact of life, that there are no equals. There are only individuals. Some are poor, some are rich. Some are attractive, some are ugly. Some are mean, some are kind. Treating everyone as an equal is not only unprofessional, it is also unwise.

It takes a great deal to treat people as an individual, you need to know alot about them on a personal level. It requires that you sometimes have to step down to their level, or up to their level, just to interact. There will always be people better than you, and people worse off with you.

Sometimes we just have to accept that people are different. With the shop hack, people are rewarded for their effort. If some people choose not to contribute as much as others, they will not get the chance to have a custom title - which may seem unfair to them, but in reality is completely fair.

It's not that some people feel that they are better than others, its just that some people manage to reap more reward than others. But this is, of course, only because they have worked harder and longer.

Hobo already has a Custom title. Death you also have a custom title, so we know you are not arguing for one yourself... Dont you even notice you have a custom title?

You have also neglected to mention lots of members that deserve a custom title: paramiteabe, Jacob, SeaRex, Alector, Oddsville, Facsimile, Disgruntled Intern, MojoMan220 and many more.

The major issue here is if the forum implements shop hack, custom title would not be special anymore, and people treasure custom title because its precious.

Ok since you used so much swearing in your previous post i will use some also. **** **** **** **** **** **** ****

Anyways, i say keep the forum as dictatorship and destroy democracy. Long live China!

Death, by counting that number of (invalid) arguments, it is enough for me not to respond to such a pitiful post.

Yeah, funny that. The members you listed don't complain about not having custom titles.

Alcar...

all people who are mods get a custom title. So the following deserve them:

Jacob
SeaRex
Fac
Oddguy
SligSlinger
SILVERSTONE - for ****s sake, shes been here for ages!
Grig
MojoMan220
Me

Seeing as this is turning into a war, and we have a much more productive thread over here: http://www.oddworldforums.net/showthread.php?t=9773

I suggest we divert all attention to that thread, and try to keep out the rubbish.

Alcar...