My friends Mother saw a pair of red eyes under her bed, through the mirror once.
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Mudokon101 means purgatory, a place that catholics profess and believe to be a place where believers "pay" for their sins before going to heaven. It is not mentioned in the bible and Jesus patently discredits it when he says to the thief on the cross"Today you will be with me in Paradise..."
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I've never believed in polterghiests, but I DO believe in presences (sorry if this is short: I'm on a crappy computer at school). I think that guidance in the form of "miniature dieties" (I don't like the term "angels") are among us to help and guide us with God's will, not to petster us with hauntings and possesions (not that I have anything against Abe's possesion abilities, mind you :p )
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Sorry! [ February 08, 2002: Message edited by: MudokonOddball ] |
I haven't seen a ghost in my life, but I have talked to people that have, mum for a example... All I've got is some sounds, a hissing in my room and stuff like that... Oh well, they exist anyway...
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oddball, I believe the term you are looking for is demi-god(sp?) or is that like the god of small furry animals or whatnot?(my persal favorite diety)
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wolfpac, that is freaky i would piss in my pants if i saw that.
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Okay this topic is starting to freak me out! *shudders*
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Some times I thinck I see a dark figure run into my den.And when I look in nothings ther.And I somtimes sence some kind of cold energy.
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Well if he's not talking about indulgences, what is he talking about? |
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it is proble your eyes playing tricks on you
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This forum is mad. Ghosts and demons aint real!!! its all just a fragment of your imagination getting the better of you
Wait a minute..... http://maxpages.com/images/animations/devil/demon.gif AAAAHHHHHH IT IS REAL!!!!!!! |
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If you'll pardon the trite cliche, one of my housemates "sees dead people". It's freaky, actually - We'll be quite calmly sitting watching telly and she'll suddenly say "there's someone in here".
What makes it scarier is that she's predicted a lot of things before they were reported in the news. Like when those four firemen were trapped in a 4x4 under the WTC? She told me someone was in the room telling her to help his son/grandson (I forget which, now), that there were four firemen trapped in a small space and needed help... you may say why the hell would the whoeveritwas pick a student in England to tell, but still. The firemen were rescued the next day or the day after, I believe... That was just damned scary. She tends to "attract" dead airmen, for some reason - we had a lot of WW2 spitfire pilots in the sitting room last year, and even one Nazi airman (who was apparently very sorry for what he'd done for his country and wanted her to say sorry for him). She says they're like spirits who've got "lost" on the way from the mortal plane to wherever it is they're meant to be going... |
A lot of "witchcraft" is simply psychosomatic. The most extreme example is the Aborigine "Bone-Pointers" (eep, I'm talking about Aborigines in a forum full of Aussies who probably know more about them than me):
If an Australian Aboriginal is sentenced to death (note: I'm not sure if this practise still actually occurs), then a special kind of witch-doctor fashions a kind of pointer out of bone. It is then given to these assassins, who hunt down the accused, and then point the bone at them. In all (but one) known cases, the accused was dead within a week (or it might have been a month) of being pointed at. The Assassins do not lay a finger on him... However, the reason for this is thought to be psychosomatic - the victims believed so strongly that they were going to die that their heart stopped. The best way to prove this is by taking the example of the one victim known to have survived and recovered from a "bone-pointing". After being pointed at, this man fled his village for the city, where he was taken into hospital. His condition gradually deteriorated until he was near death, even though the doctors could see nothing physically wrong with him. Eventually, when all of their treatments had failed, the doctors told the man that they had used their own magic to break the curse that had been laid on him. As soon as he was convinced that the "white man's magic" was stronger than that of his tribe, his condition began to improve, until eventually he returned to full health, even though the doctors had not actually tried any further treatments. If that isn't evidence, I don't know what is. There are also other explanations of witchcraft. LSD in the drinking-water of cities has often been blamed, for example. For those (such as me) who believe that telepathy and psychokinesis are possible, they are also explanations. But I think that the strongest one is the psychosomatic one. Also, many so-called "witches" never did anything that was actually anything to do with witchcraft. Most of the witches burned in the old witch-burning days were simply senile or mad old women whom the community felt uncomfortable with, and so decided to burn under the pretense of witchcraft... |
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"The Exorcist" wasn't a documentary, Pinky...
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I always thought that the Australian Aboriginal was just a form of plesebo (rhymes with "gazebo", though i'm not sure if I spelled it right) which is like sugar pills and stuff. Maybe someone really convinced that ghosts were real made stuff in their mind to explain the unexplained, or sometimes just random things out of the air. Well, if you stare at a wooden table or door long enough, you mind will form a face or figure out of it, and you may extrapolate that into a ghostly experience. Sorry if this is sort of bashing at you guys; this is just my opinion of what people believe ghosts to be.
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K...i haven't read the whole topic cos i lost interest after the arguments started...But i have had contact with a Ghost. Not seen one...but it used to mess about and stuff and open Cupboards when i was in the room. I was only 7 and i crapped myself...not literally...thank God...think of the humiliation. But i'm Catholic...not really religious...i believe in God and stuff...but i dont believe you will go to Hell if...say...you swear or dont believe in God or sumat. My Nans friends also did a Ouija board once...they said they contacted someone...anyhoo. I am planning to do a Ouija board sometime in the future and when i do (And if i am not banned...again/If the forums are still operating/If you all are still here) i shall inform you of it.
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Sugar Pills are also Psychosomatic. Psychosomasis is just the correct term for "Things that work because you believe that they will". However, the Aboriginal Thing is precisely the opposite to a Placebo, which is a term (as far as I am aware) only applied to things designed to make you feel better...
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Sorry for posting twice...could i get banned for that? Sorry if you can i didn't know. But in Pinky' defence. The Exorcist was based on a true story...it was exaggerated abit...ok...ALOT but the outline was true. And Demonic Possession can happen...if you do a Ouija board and invite the Spirit to possess you so you can communicate with it via Spirit writing then it can come and go in your body as it pleases. Its very dangerous and a 'Protective Spell' should be performed before hand. Some Witch-craft does work...i for one do dabble in the occult. Demons can be summoned (Or so some websites claim (And yes...i know some websites can have total losers/nutcases designing them)) On one site i have been to you are supposed to take the soul of your would-be victim, store it and then send a demon to possess the person...they will then become your slave until you bid no more.
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finally Jacob! Someone who understands! There's a few who do but Jacob explained what I meant. In your face Dan and sydman! LOL j/k |
I don't discount the existence of a supernatural realm that can sometimes blur with that of our own, it's just that I haven't seen any evidence suggesting that demons, spirits and ghosts exist. All accounts all not verifiable and rely on the honesty/mental soundness of a person. It seems odd that if such things exist, there has been no credible documented cases. I'm curious why "hell" and "satan" suddenly appearing on someones leg was not given any credible publicity if it couldn't be explained in another way (self-mutilation for example).
Given that, a couple of years ago me and these two girls often dabbled in witchcraft, only because it was fun and interesting. Molly, Katrina and I would light candles and summon otherworldly spirits, but the only indication of a presence was a violent wind. Despite our screams, it's hardly confirmation of a spirit world. |
Hmmm...
Usually stuff to do with Satan/Hell/Demons doesn't get the publicity it deserves because of its controversial topic. Tabloids would and have done in the past publicised stuff about things like that, only to have them complained about by extremists (On the Religious front). However, as they say they cannot be smoke without fire...so something must be true for it all to be around like this...
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I dont know how to quote by making the writing bold white...but to what Danny said this is my reply.
Controversial topics sure. Paedophiles, Murderers, Priests that maim nuns and then teach them how to fly so you have these maimed flying nun things...sure. They would publicise these, but Witch-craft is also a topic that people think 'Pah' to. If people dont believe in it, what is the point in telling people about it. Statistics show over 90% of the population (In the UK i think) dont believe in God. So why would they believe in the Devil? Although Witch-craft and Demonic possession are very controversial topics...the people who take part wouldn't want to be advertised in the way the tabloids do. And the tabloids wouldn't publish anything that no-one would be interested in...apart from 'The Sun' but then again...thats 'The Sun' enough said. |