Oh, fuck off, I was being polite. I can attack an opinion if I want, and you're not really one to talk.

Don't people have to be scared of you to be a bully?

My favourite part is how Nep rarely attacks the person, just the opinion, but no one seems to have a problem attacking both him as a person and his opinions

Some opinions are fucking stupid, and if calling them out on being fucking stupid is being a bully then yes, I'm a bully. Sorry I'm not a fucking Gary Stu who says 'In my humble opinion' every two seconds, if you're bothered by it then that's not my problem.

I just don't care.

CRAAAWLING IIIN MY SKIIIIN

That was the poorest way of being polite I have ever seen. Perhaps the best way of being polite is to say "I disagree with what you said, I feel like AO has the better atmosphere". Instead of "your opinion is wrong". That is foul behaviour. You have a warped sense of what is and isn't okay.

Well, this is OWF. But even the self-proclaimed dicks of the forum usually make exception for newbies and foreigners. Even Germans!

You don't know me at all.

I disagree with this opinion the world must know of this

No time to explain any of my reasoning in non-confronational terms

Letting everyone know that I too have an opinion is enough to enrich discussion

It would probably be helpful to refer to some means of evaluation besides my gut response but that would make me look like less of a self-assured tough guy

Oh so little time

So you want me to explain why the atmosphere in AO is so effective for the millionth time? Just shut the fuck up, I'd love to see how the forum goes when nobody is allowed any opinions even for a week. It's built on opinions and discussion, but there's no need to explain them if they've already been explained twenty times.

I don't think I've seen you explain your opinions once. Which would be fine and all, if you didn't insist on shouting them over the top of everyone else. I can only imagine how enlightening and incisive they must be, to instil that level of passion.

Of course you haven't seen me explain my opinions, seeing as you just fucking skim over arguments and don't take in any information. I've explained my opinions numerous times and if you'd actually take the time to read what I post you'd see that. Why would I explain them again just because you couldn't be arsed to read it properly the first time?

Seems like an explanation of opinion to me.

Don't worry, you can rest assured that you don't need to include me in your target audience.

OK, Nep. Let's drop the bravado for a second.

You have opinions, and you're fairly blunt about making them known, and that's OK. It'd be nice if you could learn to read the situation and not get all grouchy about a subject when everyone else is managing to be fairly nice to each other, but maybe that'll come with time.

However, it can't have escaped your notice that you're a lot more negative about everything than most people here. Sure, we all hate things, but the things we choose to share are more likely to be things that we think people might want to, y'know, read. Things that might encourage people to look at something in a different way, or try something they wouldn't normally.

Negative opinions can provoke discussion and thought, sure, but they're more likely to just kill the mood for sharing, especially if you're going to outright call someone's opinion trash. So taking that into account, all you're really doing here by being relentlessly and exclusively negative about everything is 1) Making an already insular and bitchy place look outright hostile 2) Clogging up threads with posts that aren't actually helpful to anyone and 3) Making yourself look like a colossal weiner.

If you want a negative opinion to be worth reading, you're going to have to bring an actual argument to the table, and that means a reason for your opinion that's not directly derivative of another opinion. There's no accounting for taste, and it will always be "a matter of opinion", but you'll make your posts look a lot less like a hormonal kneejerk response if you referred to a concept outside your personal opinion of what's effective. Pretty much every one of your grumpier posts boils down to "I am right to like this because it is good, it is good because it is well-made; You are wrong to like that because it is bad, it is bad because it is poorly made". That is not an explanation. The post above is definitely a step in the right direction, though it'd probably help if you stopped phrasing everything as if you were personally offended by someone's differing outlook, too.

Now, I'm no saint, I complain about lots of things too (not to mention the half-arsed spam), and I'm certainly meaner to people than is strictly necessary. But if I can make an effort to balance that out by putting some thought and reasoning into making more engaging, well-considered posts, I don't see why you can't do the same. If you'd rather just complain about everything and have no-one call you out for it, get a Tumblr.

EDIT: Oh wow, you've already got one. You should use it more often.

Okay. I'm going to declare this the end of this 'Attack Nepsotic' session. And I'm going to remind Nepsotic that he agreed to stop being a negative nancy.

Back to the topic. Next post about Nepsotic (even if it's by Nepsotic) gets an infraction.

Abe's Oddysee is so beautiful. It's terrifying, suspenseful and mysterious. You don't know what's going to be around the next corner - you don't know how nightmarish, creepy, or dare I say it - Odd, it's going to be. It's like Blade Runner.

The humour is kept to a very minimum - most of the humour is satire. "Man's inhumanity to man" and it's only say, once or twice per level. It takes itself very seriously and isn't afraid to take you to an emotional place not usually seen in animation or Sci-Fi.

The Glukkons were menacing men of few words, the Sligs seemed to be mindless violence machines, and the Mudokons were lifelong victims of abuse and propaganda. Their weakened voices proved that.

Whereas I love Abe's Exoddus - it's much more relaxed. We know what's coming, we know what to expect. With the exception of the Fleeches, everything added in Abe's Exoddus was outright comical. There was less mystery surrounding it - the Glukkons could now talk and were proving themselves to be bickering children. The Sligs were donut eating Police Officers, and the Mudokons were all angsty teens.

The more the developers flesh out Oddworld, the more of the mysterious charm we lose. Which I'm totally okay with, because I want to explore more of Oddworld in the near future!

Aesthetically, creatively and imaginatively, I think they're on par with each other. I'd kill for some high res prints of Scrabania, Monosaic Lines and the Necrum Jungle. *cough* Wil? ... get the Merchandise team on it please? *cough*


Quicksave and All'a'ya takes the crown for me when it comes to gameplay though.

I see where the atmosphere argument is coming from, and I'd agree if it wasn't for Necrum, which is amazing in this regard. Exoddus has less natural areas though, so it makes sense that people would prefer Oddysee.

I really love both, and I think they compliment each other nicely, but I'm leaning towards Exoddus for its improvements in gameplay, most of all quicksaving.

From a gameplay aspect I prefer AE, simply because of how big the game is and how many great things were added (Quicksave is a blessing). From a story standpoint, I prefer AO, the whole universe seemed more menacing, which let's be honest, it's exactly what Lorne Lanning wanted. As for an overall opinion, I don't prefer one over the other, I like them both the same.

Recently I've very slowly been getting my girlfriend into gaming (yeah life has changed a bit for me) Of course I couldn't pass up the chance to throw Oddworld in there so I decided to start her off with AO on the Playstation. Not only for her to understand what the whole universe was about, but also so she could experience Oddworld the exact same way I first did. It was hilarious watching somebody who is very inexperienced with gaming in general try and take on something like AO, she just barely managed to make it to the stockyards. Even though she said she was getting really pissed off with the game she was enjoying it.

No, I don't. Exoddus for life.

For me Abe's Oddysee had a better story and i just think, The meat Factory idea was just amazing!

Care to elaborate?

From what I can gather it seems you've got fans that prefer more of the nature exploration despite the added gameplay features of AE and preferred the darker color tones in AO.

I honestly couldn't decide, I appreciate both.

I agree with the OP - I reckon Oddysee has a much better atmosphere to it. The music and the levels feel more darker and downbeat than in Exodus, and I think that it works really well. Both games are awesome though.

I don't think there is a clear answer here, I certanly don't prefer one game over the other, it's not like there is an obvious difference like the original Star Wars series and the Prequels.

What do we feel about the comparison between Necrum and its vaults with the temples and other native areas in Oddysee?

Wait a minute, this was in the wrong thread. Thanks for telling me, jerks.

Monsaic Lines was much better looking than Necrum, but it was such a boring level and the Wise Mudokons just frustrate me.

I also despise the Mudanchee vault, not only were the levels stupidly hard, but I really hated how some of the doors had multiple levels within them, none of the Mudomo Vault doors had that!

Agreed. Much more varied puzzles/gameplay in Exoddus, and the environments are nicely designed, but Oddysee feels more down to earth, and Abe seems more vulnerable and isolated, and like he alone has the fate of everyone else resting on his shoulders. He doesn't have any real powers until he earns shrykul, so compared to Exoddus in Oddysee he is for the most part human-like and powerless. There's rarely a time in Exoddus where he doesn't have access to some kind of advantageous force (minecart, exploding farts, invisibility, rings of power, possession of flying sligs) which all together make the quest seem less noble, and more like just a chore.

I'm going to talk more environmental rather than actual gameplay. But just to add to the gameplay discussion, Elum was the highlight in Oddysee and the Fleech puzzles were the highlight in Exoddus.

Anyway. Oddysee's native areas were alive and brimming with activity, Exoddus however was darker and was lonely. You spend hours at a time not seeing a single Mudokon. And that made sense because Necrum is essentially a graveyard.

Comparing Mosaic Lines and Necrum- I loved the giant statues of the Scrabs and Paramites in Mosaic Lines but apart from that, I thought the area was a little dull. Necrum was a dark, eerie place with intense atmosphere. One of my favorite places in Exoddus

Since you can't compare Scrabania and Paramonia with anything from Exoddus, I'm just going to say I love those areas a lot.

Comparing the Temples to the Vaults- I felt that the temples fit the creatures way more than the Vaults. As much as I love the atmosphere and environment of the two Vaults, I always thought they didn't suit really the Scrabs and the Paramites compared to the temples.

Necrum hands down. Its dry, dead features, the eerie orange hue and the occasional sound of a bird in the background can't be topped by the Monsaic Lines for me.