The US National Guard

They could slice an invisible portion from defense and send it NASA's way, quintupling their budget.

I have nevere really seen the point of glorifying war. People know what they are going into, anybody that thinks it is a picnic needs to be taken out of the gene pool. Or not alowed to be around children, whichever makes me seem less evil.

Then again, telling it as it is makes people fearful. That would mean no or a weak army, which would scare people even more. A tad of a paradox.

Scare people away from the idea of warfare? HEAVEN FORBID!!!

This is a video that may well result in the viewer being killed. That's slightly problematic. In other news,

I'm not saying scare people away from warfare. I'm mearly saying that the situation is a bit of a paradox. Promote war - people go to war and die. Tell the truth - people are shit scared, with nobody joinig the army, people are scared that [Middle East Country] will attack due to lack of army.

In that last part, by people I mean readers of The Sun and The Daily Mail. So about 1/2 of the UK.

Yeah, like we need the army to stop terrorism.

I never mentioned Terrorism.
Yes, the army is made up of racist, incompident twunts, but it does have it's use.

It's main use is against other armies.

What use do other armies have?

Depends on the country.

Or was that a rhetorical question?

There's no such thing as a rhetorical question, it shows LACK OF CRITICAL BACKBONE.

I'm not naively left enough to believe that there's no such thing as a just army or a just war because there is. The second world war was just and the men and women who fought and died in it were just in the cause they believed in.

I do not believe that that sort of propaganda I presented has any place in either America or the rest of the world now. Imagine if you were in a middle eastern country and saw that, hmmm?

I agree with you 100% on that. I'm just saying that I don't see the point of Propaganda if people know what is going on. It's like trying to incorrectly to describe a cat to somebody that has a cat.

The problem is that most people don't know what is going on because most of our lines of communication with the real world outside our communities are saturated with over-simplified media definitions and meaningless buzz words.

Also, I detest everything that that advert stands for, not just the advertising.

Military forces are used for other purposes, but mainly because there's no one else available to do those things.

'Big' is a comparitive term. I think the military should be the size it needs to be. In my country, many experts think it should be bigger, which necessitates recruitment.

As for the advertising; why should PR for the military be any different to adverts for hamburgers or cola drinks or deoderant spray? Advertising always deals in fantasy.

Does something that could get you tortured or have your head blown off, or all of that on another person, warrant fantasy?

Also IT'S BLATENTLY NATIONALISTIC AND SENDING OUT EXACTLY THE WRONG MESSAGE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD

What the fuck are you on about? Those adverts are made by Americans, for Americans and are nationalistic because the military is a highly nationalistic institution. What the fuck is wrong with nationalism in the right context?

Besides, that advert is no more or less nationalistic than British or Australian military recruitment ads, budget notwithstanding.

Nationalism in the pursuit of destruction? The army needs troops right now because it's spread so thin and doesn't have enough to back up an occupation that was pointless to begin with. This isn't WWII when it was for the right cause. I don't see any honor in being the military right now except to be ready to act if the time comes when we need the force. I don't care if it's justifiable, it's spreading a bad image of making war look cool. It reminds me of all these commercials with beautiful visuals, inspiring speech, and an intriguing tone, and then turns out it was just trying to sell you an overpriced car or get you to join Scientology. It isn't right to use peoples' emotions to satisfy a short-lived need that isn't even worth it in the end.

Then by that logic, all advertising should be banned. Don't go all apeshit at the military, when they're merely following current cultural standards of behaviour.

Everything.

Blow me, Nate.

Jesus, WoF. I hope you put more of an effort in to debating in your Philosophy classes.

"Hi, I'm Joe and I'm going to be getting my back up over certain aspects of an issue whilst not responding to - in fact, completely ignoring - any valid points my opponents make"

You haven't made any valid points?

Fine

They should make themselves sound exciting within given parameters of reality, parameters that video clearly transgresses. It doesn't make them look exciting as much as it makes them look lik they've just walked out of a John William's soundtrack.

See above, a valid argument does not a sound argument make.

Australia isn't America, and pulling an expert opinion out of your arse to cover yourself is bad form. Why does Australia need a bigger military? What are your enemies? Who are you in danger from?

Basically what Used:) said, the police force doesn't advertise by showing sweeping epic police chases and warehouse shootouts. They'd be called out immediately on it.

Warrior the Ethos
Code of the Bellator (Warrior)
A hero will rise

Mos bellatoris (Code of the Warrior)
Ego primus omnium munus (I will always place the mission first)
Ego numquam cladem accipiam (I will never accept defeat)
I will live by this credo
I will protect the U.S. and I will fight to liberate all!

bets on who's gonna blow a gasket first, Folks!

Meh, well. Now that you've actually responded to my points, I think we've gone past the level of debate and in to the level of opinion. You're perfectly justified in thinking that the advert has crossed the line of reality/acceptibility and I'm perfectly satisfied in thinking that it hasn't.

Well, the military is generally a body that is maintained and built up 'just in case' we need it in the future. The chances of a war in the near future are slim, but that doesn't mean an army is unnecessary. Also, the Australian army is involved in peace-keeping missions across the world, most notably East Timor and the Solomon Islands.