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Looks like we missed something with the morse code guys:

https://twitter.com/OddworldInc/stat...21877754806278

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Found some numbers center/left: 011121 (i think). Look near the top left of the window frame in the center of the image and zoom in.
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Perhaps they mean use what you can't see in the literal sense? The top and bottom halves of these codes have been chopped off, maybe we need to make out what these mean?
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They keep hinting at something - "There's so much to find in the image. Use what you can't see"

https://twitter.com/OddworldInc/stat...44755091800064

What are we missing?
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Looks like there's more to the morse code than meets the eye.


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STM the fragments have been decoded:

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Here's the first:



And the second: (Figuring out the fire and air part was tough, so I went over the lines with green )


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I'm not aware of another version of morse code that uses the same symbols (dots/dashes)
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Looks like there's more to the morse code than meets the eye.
I think you're reading that unliterally.

Think about it: what can't you see? As in: what can you see, and what can't you see?

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Looks like there's more to the morse code than meets the eye.


EDIT:

STM the fragments have been decoded:

Oops, I completely misread what part of the message that was decoding. :x
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I think you're reading that unliterally.

Think about it: what can't you see? As in: what can you see, and what can't you see?
Uhm... Okay... So things we can't see could be:

- Audio, like the audio of the video that still has unsolved codes.
- Items missing, like the moons in the previous puzzle.
- Stuff referred to in the picture we can physically not see, like air and gas.

I feel like I'm over thinking this again.

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04-26-2017, 02:45 AM
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I've been poring over this picture for a couple of hours now. I've gotten nothing except stuff we've already worked out! I don't see what we're missing (pun intended)

I'm sure one of you brilliant people will work out it though. We can do it!
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I think you're reading that unliterally.

Think about it: what can't you see? As in: what can you see, and what can't you see?
What can't I literally see in this picture...?
Uh, an obvious answer? the sides of the pictures?(since theyre patched together) the badguys that we found in each picture?(since they are ripped and patched together...color? Ugh -_-
And what other code is their to use beside whats in front of us? I am confuzzled.
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In terms of when the "classical" elements of fire/earth/water/air were in use their properties weren't listed in states, since it was known that water could be both solid, liquid, or gas. Rather descriptions of Hot/Cold, Wet/Dry were used which more closely fit the properties of the elements.

Fire is both hot and dry.
Air is both hot and wet.
Water is both cold and wet.
Earth is both cold and dry.


Not sure how useful this is but it's cool to know. Also some symbols, which may or may not be useful.
You're onto something here. Dig a little deeper into the "classical" elements and what they were often used for?
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I'm not aware of another version of morse code that uses the same symbols (dots/dashes)
You mean if there's another type of morse code? Because there's only one kind and it's international. That's what I know.
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You're onto something here. Dig a little deeper into the "classical" elements and what they were often used for?
The natural elements were a fundamental thing of the ancient religion, aka witchcraft, that is neopagan tradition, which essentially consists in observing seasonal festivals, in the practice of magical rituals related to natural elements and which essentially focuses on the cult of Nature.
And the four elements are... oh... Wait I think I got it! The four elements are in the same time both visible and invisible, physical and spiritual. So, according to the ancient religion, with the word "earth" for example, it is not just the planet we live on, but also the phenomenon of solidity, foundation and stability, a concept that among other things is also one of the hubs of Alchemy.
So what we don't see are actually the spiritual force of these elements? Are also the mudokons in the photos able to use these elements?
It's something we see (the symbols), but that we don't actually see (the elements themselves). So it must be like this. I hope I'm right somehow.
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So, according to the ancient religion, with the word "earth" for example, it is not just the planet we live on, but also the phenomenon of solidity, foundation and stability, a concept that among other things is also one of the hubs of Alchemy.
Keep going along those lines
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Guess that throws me looking into steganography out the window then.
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Keep going along those lines
Oh ohh so I'm in the right way? so happy I was finally useful somehow!
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Guess that throws me looking into steganography out the window then.
Not really, this is just not really about steganography now. The thing is that we don't have to use that now. We have to look at the photo in a different way, not like we did before. We have to see the meaning of what we see and what we don't see like I just did, to then come to a plausible theory, I think.
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So you're talking about using the spiritual meanings of the elements?
Or perhaps "use what you can't see" is answered just by using the Elements/States we found to move onto the next clue...

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"Dig a little deeper into the "classical" elements and what they were often used for?"
Something related to alchemy perhaps? Brewing? Or even witchcraft?

Use what we can't see... So we use the spiritual meanings of the elements to move on to our next clue? I.e. we can't see "air" for example, because in the pictures, there is no " travel, freedom, thought, ideas, intellect, imagination and discovery" - basically nothing that the "air" element stands for?
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We can't see ghosts... or can we?
It's Ouija board time!
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I feel we somehow have been tricked by Bernice into doing witchcraft and dark sciences.

Well played...

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However, with that said - talking about things we can't see - there's a lot of spiritual things that we can't see in the photos, like love, freedom, compassion etc.
So maybe witchcraft isn't such a bad idea...? Maybe we have to talk to the ghosts of the mud's whose bones are being used in that lovely brew
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2. Sell your soul for the next clue
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We can't see the soul, which is in soulstorm.
We also can't see ghosts, which is what asset98 is
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I feel we somehow have been tricked by Bernice into doing witchcraft and dark sciences.
Witchcraft is not always black magic, remember that! Magic is neutral, and as such, it respects well-defined laws.
And your jokes guys, lol you make laugh. But you're all mistaking too many things with one another.

Now, let's talk about Bernice's question:
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"Classical" elements, what they were often used for?
The manifestation of the elements takes place in two ways: that of the element itself, which is water, fire, earth or air, and that of the elemental, that is a spirit that incarnates its essence.
Elementals are not recognized and evoked in all traditions, though they are still traced back to the populous populace inhabitants. They do more than part of the baggage of traditions linked to ceremonial magic, rather than natural magic and wicca.
Going to the point, each element has its elemental manifestation that can not be perceived by our five senses, but which would exist in the original plane of the element itself, and thus would have a form, substance and a thought that would distinguish it consciousness.
Doesn't this makes you think? The Mudokons? Here's a pic to make you undestand:



This is just a theory, so don't think this is totally true: We have seen these muds before, but we didn't really understand what was going on to them.
However, there are some details that could be related to the elements we're talking about.
-The mud holding something. What he's holding it's something physical we can see that, something solid. So it could be related with the element Earth.
-The mud screaming in somekind of cage, and some of us thought he was in a gas chamber (not sure if it was confirmed). If he's in a place like that, it's related to Air for sure.
-The mud trapped by a vykker, probably used to test something liquid as the brew.

Gas, liquid and solid...

We have seen these words before!

But this still brings up a question: Why the elements? If this could be true, the story about the elements doesn't match at all.
This is what kills this theory tbh, but I thought I had to share this theory anyway, even I think it's probably wrong and just me overthinking

But one thing is sure: This photo is telling us to use what we can't see, and we know its the elements.
And now as you can guess, I'm lost and I probably wrote useless things. Fuck, sorry but had to pull out what I had in my mind.
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And now as you can guess, I'm lost and I probably wrote useless things. Fuck, sorry but had to pull out what I had in my mind.
It's always good to write out theory's though I think. With the mud in the chair I personally think it's a next gen "tear extractor" that goes for the liquid straight from inside the eye or pumping something into their eyes as the image we got of the mud in the chamber, his eyes where rather swollen and looked ready to burst.
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Thank you for your words. And yes, it could be a tear extractor too so, according to my theory, it's still related to liquid-water in that case.
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I think you're onto something with your pic Phoetux. Especially since the tools the left mud is holding are used to dig through the "earth". The middle pic with elements of "air"or gass which are things that exsists but cannot be seen. This may also describe ghost as well, since he seems to see them but no one else does.

Hm, so if we are to "use what we can't see" should we be focusing more on whats in the middle of this pic, where the mud is(supposedly) getting gassed or just seeing ghosts? Just a passing thought if we are going for a literal thing
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well one element is missing from those 3...
fire!
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Hm, do you the spirit of 1029 logo in the upper right corner counts as the "fire"?
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Ghosts are just entities, they're not related to the materials of the real world. They could be only if they're Poltergeists but I don't think that phenomenon would happen in a room like that.
And I'm pretty sure that the phrase "Use what you can't see" is a reference to the elements since we can see them and can't at the same time. But the need to focus the middle image could be a possibility.

Also, I don't think we need to count all the elements. Fire could be only related to the Spirit of 1029 logo, like Gunnr said.
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