BREXIT

[Paul]

If a second referendum happens then this is officially not a democracy and I imagine the fall out could extend as far as civil war/rioting, no way should this ever happen!

I believe leaving is the best thing long term, but its impossible to prove which option is best - apart from we'll find out in time if leave is since that is what the public voted for.

[Varrok]

I hope the next referendum's question's gonna be:

"Are you SURE you want UK to leave EU?"

[Tired Glutton]

If a second referendum happens then this is officially not a democracy

Don't you think the vast majority of people should be in agreement before such a massive task is undertaken? as opposed to something like barely 2% tipping the scales?

[Paul]

Don't you think the vast majority of people should be in agreement before such a massive task is undertaken? as opposed to something like barely 2% tipping the scales?

Not at all, which ever has the most votes, even by 1, should win.

[Ridg3]

Well, Northern Ireland didn't degrade into a fisticuff brawl, much to my disdain. Everyone is still kinda getting on. Oh, by the way, NI is not a war-torn, terrorist ridden shithole... it's just a shithole. Funny though, they held the referendum during the Euros where some of the population were off making me proud of this seagull shit stained rock (which is difficult to do.) Has this been taken into consideration? Were they able to sail their vote across the channel?

But now there's this second referendum nonsense? Fuck me, everyone is going referendum mad. Now a town here wants to hold a referendum on whether or not they wanna stay in the DDC. Christ.

As for my thoughts on results? People are awfully racist all of a sudden.

[Holy Sock]

Well, Northern Ireland didn't degrade into a fisticuff brawl, much to my disdain. Everyone is still kinda getting on. Oh, by the way, NI is not a war-torn, terrorist ridden shithole... it's just a shithole. Funny though, they held the referendum during the Euros where some of the population were off making me proud of this seagull shit stained rock (which is difficult to do.) Has this been taken into consideration? Were they able to sail their vote across the channel?

But now there's this second referendum nonsense? Fuck me, everyone is going referendum mad. Now a town here wants to hold a referendum on whether or not they wanna stay in the DDC. Christ.

As for my thoughts on results? People are awfully racist all of a sudden.

If every voter here voted Remain it wouldn't have made a difference in the result.

Overall Leave seems like a pretty poor decision in the short term and a completely uncertain one in the long term. I try to keep a very open mind but it's hard to get on board with an argument that seems largely driven by this abstract ideology of sovereignty and willing to put a lot of things in jeopardy to achieve it. People being led to believe that Leave is the solution to all their hang ups with immigration and the effects on their communities.

It very well may work out in the long run - but that's something that we could only get a real sense of 20 years from now. |The idea that medical research could be seriously set back by a decision like this is something that worries me.

The point is that who knows? Nobody, honestly. Hopefully things work out.

[Paul]

"As for my thoughts on results? People are awfully racist all of a sudden."

^ Thats like saying GTA V turns people into killers, these people where already racist. But now they are using brexit as an excuse so it gets reported on more, sad but true.

BBC is still heavily pushing for remain propergander, "Tears in a town that voted leave", "brexit family divide" ~"everyone is now a racist because of brexit"~ (not an actual headline but what it meant) etc. Since BBC pushes the will of the government I can't help but think that leave simply won't happen, or everything wrong with the world is blamed on brexit and then have a 2nd referendum to ensure remain wins.

[Havoc]

Don't you think the vast majority of people should be in agreement before such a massive task is undertaken? as opposed to something like barely 2% tipping the scales?

So then you'd up the required vote to be 60% and the vote wins with 61% and people would be bitching again?

No, a majority of the vote, by law, is set at 50%. It reached 52%, so therefor the vote won. If every referendum has to be done twice because the losing party doesn't like the outcome you might as well just turn the entire country into a dictatorship because democracy clearly doesn't work.

[Ridg3]

That's exactly what I meant, they were racist, but now they're awfully so. Now they have weaponry to speak up. And don't claim that I meant something I didn't, not once did I say they turned racist. All the same I don't think that all leavers are racist, but all the racists voted leave.

Cameron vs Farage. Fight to the death. Winner takes all. Then get humanely slaughtered afterwards.

[Paul]

You said "People are awfully racist all of a sudden" when in fact no, they where always racist but now the media reports it more often as "top story" when they link it to brexit.

[Manco]

I took “people being awfully racist all of a sudden” as a testament to the rise in the number of xenophobic attacks being reported as noted here, by people who now feel like they can openly broadcast their hatred. You’re making out like it’s being over-exaggerated or fabricated.

[Paul]

My point stands that these people where racist before brexit and they are just using it as a hate platform.

[Ridg3]

Don't worry, bruh. Not poking holes in the outcome. Just an observation. Looking forward to progress with society whenever they are.

[Holy Sock]

BBC is still heavily pushing for remain propergander, "Tears in a town that voted leave", "brexit family divide" ~"everyone is now a racist because of brexit"~ (not an actual headline but what it meant) etc. Since BBC pushes the will of the government I can't help but think that leave simply won't happen, or everything wrong with the world is blamed on brexit and then have a 2nd referendum to ensure remain wins.

That's very conspiratorial. Leave voters won so why would reactions from Leave be reported when there aren't any? When one wins a referendum like this they think the matter is settled and everyone should move on. But since this is such s huge economical and political shift for our country it makes sense there are going to be strong reactions from those who lament this change.

No media outlet is unbiased. That's impossible to achieve but out of every other news source in this country it's clear the BBC is the one we least have to worry about as a people for driving its own agenda over reporting. I mean there are people in government who hate the BBC, and wish to see it dismantled, because it isn't working in the best interest of serving the government.

I mean the BBC is the only news broadcaster that create its own radio programmes specifically designed to criticise the BBC. They have BBC journalists seriously interrogating top brass BBC officials. The cynic may say "that's just the placate the masses" but thaqt seems rather dismissive.

At the end of the day the BBC reports events and Leave voters simply saying "let's jsut get on with it and stop complaining" isn't an event. It's something worthy of a discussion about Post-Brexit reactions on a BBC Radio 4 programme.

Also, it's only been just over a week since the result. It's silly to assume that people aren't still going to speak out about something. particularly since it actually hasn't happened yet. We haven't left the EU. Our govt hasn't even started the process of leaving the EU. We're just going through a political crisis in the opposition and a leadership contest in the govt.

We are in uncertain waters which isn't good for our country at all. And until we leave about 2 years from now and see how the UK develops over the following 10 years or so we still won't know whether Brexit was actually a good idea.

[Havoc]

It just came out that all Dutch pensions have been thrown into a big European pile. In other words, if Spain or some other country suddenly needs a huge cash injection, those pensions may be used for that.

And this information was kept quiet so as not to influence the Brexit vote.

I fucking wish I was kidding.

[FrustratedAssassin]

A friend's cousin lives in England and she said that people started to tell her to go back to her own country pretty much instantly after the vote.

I hope this won't happen to me when I start school in September, but it probably will.

[Connell]

A friend's cousin lives in England and she said that people started to tell her to go back to her own country pretty much instantly after the vote.

I hope this won't happen to me when I start school in September, but it probably will.

I promise we're not all like that. And if you're coming here for educational purposes, you'll most likely be around more educated people that know how idiotic it is to behave like that. It also greatly depends on where you go, but I hope you get to see the good side of England

[Tired Glutton]

So then you'd up the required vote to be 60% and the vote wins with 61% and people would be bitching again?
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well yeah i'm sure a lot of people who didn't like the result would. but that isn't my point, my thoughts were a bit muddled at the time so sorry if it wasn't clear.

my point about this is to get people to a significant agreement on the action that should be taken. i'm well aware 51% is all that would've been needed legally i'm saying i don't think that's right. i'm saying democracy should work in the interests of the most people possible and not just a slight majority or plurality.
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it really is a terrible shame this is being used as fuel for hate groups and xenophobes.

[Paul]

well yeah i'm sure a lot of people who didn't like the result would. but that isn't my point, my thoughts were a bit muddled at the time so sorry if it wasn't clear.

my point about this is to get people to a significant agreement on the action that should be taken. i'm well aware 51% is all that would've been needed legally i'm saying i don't think that's right. i'm saying democracy should work in the interests of the most people possible and not just a slight majority or plurality.
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it really is a terrible shame this is being used as fuel for hate groups and xenophobes.

I think your thoughts are still a bit muddled.

" i'm saying democracy should work in the interests of the most people possible"

^ yes so when 1% means a few million people then this IS the case. If 6/10 people want X then how it is far to say that you can't have X due to 4/10 not wanting it? That by definition is not a democracy.

Otherwise really what is the point? A majority vote for something but they can't have it because its "not majority enough"? Makes no sense.

[STM]

I think your thoughts are still a bit muddled.

" i'm saying democracy should work in the interests of the most people possible"

^ yes so when 1% means a few million people then this IS the case. If 6/10 people want X then how it is far to say that you can't have X due to 4/10 not wanting it? That by definition is not a democracy.

Otherwise really what is the point? A majority vote for something but they can't have it because its "not majority enough"? Makes no sense.

/delurks

1.7% in this instance does not mean a few million people, it means 1,089,700. This majority has imposed its will upon 30,960,300 people. the Greeks--the founders of democracy--understood the tyranny of the majority rule and took steps to make sure laws passed with a 67% majority. I.e. they weren't daft.

We do not live in a direct democracy. We live in a representative democracy. Decisions are made in parliament precisely to avoid the potential of a Kestrel swilling, Sun reading racist having a direct say upon issues that effect millions.

This referendum did not give a mandate to activate Article 50, it did not show that Britain is overwhelmingly in favour of leaving the EU. It showed the country is divided almost exactly in half over the issue.

Or as I would more scathingly suggest, it shows one half of the population is scared of brown people more than the other half.

[Paul]

The EU is a failure, brexit is by far the best option for the future. I voted leave and I have "brown" friends that I'm not "scared" of, labeling everyone who voted leave as racist is a bit low.

I don't know why most people can't see that the gov't and media where all biased and pushing for remain. You are like the muds in rupture farms, you thought you had good job :P.

[Manco]

yeah man the government was all corrupt and wanted to stay in the eu so let’s vote leave so the government has complete control

[Vlam]

yeah man the government was all corrupt and wanted to stay in the eu so let’s vote leave so the government has complete control

Chill out, Manco. You seem to be against the idea of democracy.