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Patrick Vykkers · #31 12-30-2006, 08:26 PM

You know, if you're only going to hang around and whine about other people's work, maybe you shouldn't be posting in this topic.

OANST · #32 12-31-2006, 04:55 PM

You call it work, I call it abomination. Idiotic, pointless abomination.

***Alcar*** · #33 12-31-2006, 09:35 PM

I don't see what's so bad about fan fiction, I certainly indulge in reading a few works now and then.

Alcar...

OANST · #34 12-31-2006, 10:16 PM

There you go calling it "works" again. What you you meant to say was "I certainly indulge in reading abominations now and then". There. I fixed it. No need to thank me.

Patrick Vykkers · #35 12-31-2006, 10:27 PM

Sorry, but that's the way you're acting right now. Your avatar matches you very well.

OANST · #36 12-31-2006, 10:52 PM

Ha. So being honest now equals emo-fag? I'm trying to help you. Well....that's a lie. I'm actually trying to help me. Just thinking about the fact that there are people out there who are so intensely useless and boring that they would write fanfics makes my brain bleed.

Reptile · #37 01-04-2007, 06:11 AM

Tis an emo, alright.

Fanfictions destroy my love for certain characters, for example this slang term 'yaoi' which I have discovered threatens my heterosexuality with some of my favourite male characters having sex....with each other. There are some sick, horny people out there.

I'd read some. If they were in a way that the actual game or movie whatever is potraying, so the character acts themselves, and not "BWPAPAPA" type.

Needless to say, most of the time, FF.net offends me.

OANST · #38 01-04-2007, 02:37 PM

I'm an emo but you have a picture of an androgenous man for an avatar,,,,,,,,,

Aw, who am I kiddin'? I just love Dashboard Confessional and My Chemical Romance. Wouldn't it be totally sweet if they got togethor and made sexy, eyeliner riddled emo-fag babies?

Leto · #39 01-04-2007, 07:54 PM

How the **** is OANST at all emo? For disagreeing with people? In that case, you're emo for disagreeing with him.

Lolololololololol!

Patrick Vykkers · #40 01-04-2007, 10:06 PM

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I'm an emo but you have a picture of an androgenous man for an avatar,,,,,,,,,

Aw, who am I kiddin'? I just love Dashboard Confessional and My Chemical Romance. Wouldn't it be totally sweet if they got togethor and made sexy, eyeliner riddled emo-fag babies?

That was the best treatise in favour of forced sterilization I have ever heard.

And by the way, OANST is emo for whining and moping about this topic while contributing nothing productive to it.

Reptile · #41 01-05-2007, 04:30 AM

Let's not get racist here, the emos didn't do anything.

Havoc · #42 01-05-2007, 08:28 AM

Children play nice. Fanfiction is a cool thing to read and write and unless any of you can do it better I suggest you shut up. Now go back on topic...

Tiger

Kimon · #43 01-05-2007, 02:12 PM

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Let's not get racist here, the emos didn't do anything.

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And by the way, OANST is emo for whining and moping about this topic while contributing nothing productive to it.

Yeah, cuz remember when emos invented complaining? Ha! That was sweet.

I must say though, I don't mind some fan fiction. I actually don't really read it. Mehsauce.

OANST · #44 01-06-2007, 02:34 PM

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That was the best treatise in favour of forced sterilization I have ever heard.

And by the way, OANST is emo for whining and moping about this topic while contributing nothing productive to it.

I actually never whined or moped about any topic. I merely gave my opinion about said topic. An opinion which is correct, by the way. Unfortunately, you have continued to whine and moan about me posting my opinion. Did it hurt your feelings? Do you feel sad inside? Does noone undesrtand you? Is your genius going unrecognized? Let me put on a girls t-shirt and shed a tear for you.

Patrick Vykkers · #45 01-06-2007, 03:23 PM

Let me put it this way. If I went on to a Star Wars forum, and all I posted was LOLZ STAR WARZ SUX LULZ!, I would be banned as a troublemaker and troll. And you seem to be eager to simply attack fanfiction rather than actually discuss it.

OANST · #46 01-06-2007, 03:29 PM

Unfortunately this isn't a fanfiction forum. It's a thread in a much larger forum. And if you only wish to have conversations with those who share your point of view then you aren't likely to learn much in this life. So go dry your eyes and try again.

Oh, and I gave reasons for my dislike of fanfiction. They were far from LOLZ Patrick Vykkerz is a dirty emo-fag and so his opinion doesn't count. Who's argument was that? Oh, yeah. It was yours.

Havoc · #47 01-06-2007, 04:18 PM

It's impossible to dislike fanfiction as a whole because there are thousands of writers, some better then others but you can't just say 'I hate fanfiction because it all sucks' because it doesn't. There are some very talented writers out there.

OANST · #48 01-06-2007, 04:54 PM

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I have never once set eyes upon fanfiction.net. So, no. That isn't what I'm basing my opinion on.It isn't that a fan fiction can't be well written. Of course, it can. But anyone who would spend the time and energy to make shit up in someone else's creation is a poor excuse for a writer. For one thing, it's obsessive to the point of stupidity. If your life is so depressing that you just lay around at night fantasizing about living in some fictional world then you should probably just kill yourself. It's best for everyone. For another thing, any word that is written in this plagiarist's heaven should be immediately thrown out for lack of all "real" imagination and creativity. If you read this and you write fanfics......please stop. Try to be a decent human being and stop stealing from your betters.

Does that answer your question? Perhaps you should read the thread before jumping to conclusions like "you can't" or "you don't have a good reason". Because I can and I do.

Strike Witch · #49 01-07-2007, 04:13 AM

Well.... I am an amateur writer. I try VERY hard to make sure my writing is original. I don't write fanfics because I personally feel as if its a cheap way to write, using someone elses' creations as a crutch. But I will read Published Fanfiction.

Reptile · #50 01-07-2007, 07:27 AM

Some of us are getting off topic with this emo bravado.

Leto · #51 01-07-2007, 03:06 PM

This topic was harldy gonna thrive much further. At least this corpse is getting pounded enough for a new orafice.

Havoc · #52 01-07-2007, 05:17 PM

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Does that answer your question? Perhaps you should read the thread before jumping to conclusions like "you can't" or "you don't have a good reason". Because I can and I do.

OANST, have you ever attempted to write a good story? That's a serious question, not a sarcastic one, just to have that clear.
I write stories all the time, right now fanfiction but I also have an entire novel collecting dust somewhere on my harddrive. Point is that both kinds of stories are just as complicated to write. In some cases fanfiction might actually be harder to write because you have to make sure the characters stay true to the standards someone else has set, which IMO can be a lot harder then keep characters in line to standards you came up with yourself.

I can respect it if someone doesn't like a particular kind of story, but to dismiss pretty much everything without even really knowing the kind of effort that went into it and calling it all stealing without imagination, as a writer I take personal offense in that. Do you even have a good position to be shouting the things you are OANST?

Havoc

used:) · #53 01-07-2007, 06:25 PM

Art or products should never be about the artist's or maker's personality or work ethic. It's about the end product -- whether it's good or not. Empathetic bullshit like "knowing what effort was put in" shouldn't cloud someone's creative and artistic judgement. If it's shit, it's shit and Oanst has been saying that. Yes, it's respectable if the person put great effort into their work, but in the real world if your end product is bad then won't move ahead any farther.

And personally, I think Oanst is in a perfectly fine position to be shouting these things. I talk with him regularly and I can tell you he knows his shit when it comes to giving accurate critique about someone's work. From my own perspective, his critique is somewhat black and white, but that's certainly better than giving diluded feedback dosed up on friendly bullshit like I've seen many people in Fan Corner give.

OANST · #54 01-07-2007, 07:14 PM

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OANST, have you ever attempted to write a good story? That's a serious question, not a sarcastic one, just to have that clear.
I write stories all the time, right now fanfiction but I also have an entire novel collecting dust somewhere on my harddrive. Point is that both kinds of stories are just as complicated to write. In some cases fanfiction might actually be harder to write because you have to make sure the characters stay true to the standards someone else has set, which IMO can be a lot harder then keep characters in line to standards you came up with yourself.

I can respect it if someone doesn't like a particular kind of story, but to dismiss pretty much everything without even really knowing the kind of effort that went into it and calling it all stealing without imagination, as a writer I take personal offense in that. Do you even have a good position to be shouting the things you are OANST?

Havoc

I am constantly writing. I write in many different genres ranging from plays to screenplays to short stories to my first novel that I just began (I thought I had good enough ideas for novels in the past but they always turned out to be short stories). So yeah, I know a little bit about the work involved in writing. And I can and will tell you now that the measure of good work is not in how hard it was to write. What makes work good is three things: style, relevance, and honesty. A fanfic may have the first but it will be completely lacking in the following criteria. I'm sorry if my brutal honesty disturbs you but 99 percent of working authors agree with me. At least the ones that are good do. Fanfiction is a waste of yours and your readers time. It is an exercise in futility. Some of you may be shaking your heads and saying "but gee you prick, it's good practice". Wrong. Completely wrong. If all you are practicing is mediocrity and plagiarism then that's all you are ever going to write.

snuzi · #55 01-07-2007, 07:40 PM

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It's impossible to dislike fanfiction as a whole because there are thousands of writers, some better then others but you can't just say 'I hate fanfiction because it all sucks' because it doesn't. There are some very talented writers out there.

If they were such good writers, they'd create their own story, rather than continuing someone elses. All their doing is ripping off someone else's creation.

OANST · #56 01-07-2007, 08:35 PM

I thought it might be worth it to post one of our greatest living author's view on fanfiction. This is from Ursula K. LeGuin.

"I am absolutely opposed to it & have never given anyone permission to do so. It is lovely to "share worlds" if your imagination works that way, but mine doesn't; to me, it's not sharing but an invasion, literally — strangers coming in and taking over the country I live in, my heartland."

Does that help any?

snuzi · #57 01-07-2007, 08:46 PM

Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself. That pretty much sums it up.

Havoc · #58 01-08-2007, 03:21 AM

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I am constantly writing. I write in many different genres ranging from plays to screenplays to short stories to my first novel that I just began (I thought I had good enough ideas for novels in the past but they always turned out to be short stories). So yeah, I know a little bit about the work involved in writing. And I can and will tell you now that the measure of good work is not in how hard it was to write. What makes work good is three things: style, relevance, and honesty. A fanfic may have the first but it will be completely lacking in the following criteria. I'm sorry if my brutal honesty disturbs you but 99 percent of working authors agree with me. At least the ones that are good do. Fanfiction is a waste of yours and your readers time. It is an exercise in futility. Some of you may be shaking your heads and saying "but gee you prick, it's good practice". Wrong. Completely wrong. If all you are practicing is mediocrity and plagiarism then that's all you are ever going to write.

Well just because someone continues someone else's story doesn't mean the story itself can't be a good addition to the original. I do however agree with you that you can't call yourself a 'professional' writer if all you write is fanfics because it does, in same areas, leave out the writers own creativity. Every single fanfic writer I know, however, always deeply respects the original story and always credits everyone involved in the original story, which for me is the difference between a tribute and plagiarism. I've had one person using certain settings from one of my stories and never even mentioning me, that kinda ticked me off at the time but not a whole lot (unless he was gonna make millions off of it, then I'd sue his ass

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Anyway, at least your saying your stuff from an experienced standpoint, which already is a lot better then mindless jabbering which I at first suspected you off, sorry for that. Still I disagree with the "Fanfiction is a waste of yours and your readers time." statement for the sole reason that you can't decide what one wants to do with his or her time. A lot of people like to write or read fanfics, dispite it's quality. It might be your opinion, but don't try to publish it as a fact.

Havoc

snuzi · #59 01-08-2007, 07:50 AM

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Well just because someone continues someone else's story doesn't mean the story itself can't be a good addition to the original. I do however agree with you that you can't call yourself a 'professional' writer if all you write is fanfics because it does, in same areas, leave out the writers own creativity. Every single fanfic writer I know, however, always deeply respects the original story and always credits everyone involved in the original story, which for me is the difference between a tribute and plagiarism.

I don't think any fan fic can be a good addition to the orignial story, mainly because it wasn't written by the author. In my opinion, no one possesses the right to alter a writer's story or continue it. It's just not the same as the author writing it, since you're putting your thoughts, your feelings, and taking the story in your own direction. That can completely wreck the orignial story, since no one but the author truly knows how their characters will act or what they will do. They're the ones who created them, so only they would know.

If someone truly loves a piece of literature, they should leave it be, not try to continue it and take it in their own direction. In my opinion, that's disrespectful to the author's original vision of the story.

OANST · #60 01-08-2007, 03:00 PM

For true. 10 characters.