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But so is drug use, fornication, swearing, etc.
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I'm assuming you mean copulating with somebody outside of marriage. One of the Christian members here once said that all recreational sex was sinful and only "whores" participated in it. I won't mention that persons name, but do you believe this also? And on the drug use issue, does this mean that you don't participate in Pain killers? Or other such treatment? And on the swearing thing, words these days are becoming less and less thought about. For instance back some time ago "Heck", "Damn" and "Hell" were classed as swearwords. Do you think that all swearwords in the History of man are sinful or only those that are "in" with todays society?
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What I don't like is when homosexuals try to push people to accept their way of life.
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It's not so much as we "push" people to accept it. But we make people aware of it and make them aware that it is normal. I'm not one of these types to go all marching and waving banners around and shtuffs, but if i see a Queer getting harassed on the street i will intervene. As soon as society realises and acknowledges that we are here and we always will be and there is nothing they can do, then the trouble will stop. It's just getting past that point.
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I am not started big marches and trying to change the constitution.
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This is because the constitution is in your favour. America is a vast country with a Bible belt bigger than the average Americans waist (oh, i slipped a wee one in there) and so Politicians and other political figures appeal to your kind in order to get votes. As far as i am concerned as much as America thinks its one of the best countries with all its Amendments and stuff, its also one of the worst. Set back by religion. I've seen celebrities go on English talkshows and say "f*ck" and then immediatly panic because they believe they'll get random people ringing in complaining. Compared to the Americans the British are immensly relaxed when it comes to many a-trivial matter. Sure, we have the odd people who are against stuff the vast majority of people don't mind, but that's everywhere.
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Gays make a choice to be live the lifestyle they live. If they are unhappy with the consequences of their choice then that is their own fault.
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Right, when we talk about this topic could we add a few other minority groups, please. Such as Transgendereds and Transexuals. That way it makes it seem less about me making the topic what it is just to get a decent argument going. Which i'm not doing by the by. But to remark to your statement we don't and the vast majority aren't unhappy with what they are. They would rather be straight and dislike some peoples attitudes but in the end they don't have the problem. (I'm not one of these "I-wanna-be-straight-because-its-easier" types by the by. I find being the way i am helps relax people when i meet them.)
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And don't tell me that homosexuals don't have a choice. Everyone has a choice and if you think otherwise you are really quite a hopeless person. A paedophile, murderer, rapist, heroin addict, alcoholic... all of them make choices.
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That is your opinion. Its consequently wrong, but still. Like i have said above there have been countless tests done on the Homosexual issue, stating we have had a lack of testosterone when we were manifesting in the womb. The Lesbian thing is a mystery though, they haven't figured that out yet. But on your point of a Paedophile having a choice, its slowly becoming apparent they don't. Its supposed to be a brain default, still, i think they should all take a bath in acid, because what they do is ultimatly wrong. Also an alcoholic could have a disorder in their brain that makes them more dependant on certain things...the alcoholics "thing" being alcohol. A Heroin addict could have been brought up in a bad neighbourhood, and although thats not an excuse, pressured into taking the drug. We all know how easily manipulated teens are and how some of them have the attitude of "We only live once, so try everything and anything new." which is my attitude, aside from the living part, but i have common sense not to take such hardcore substances. But i have been educated. On the murderer and rapist issue these could both be put down to a certain "fetish" although its doubtful. I think some murderers are mentally unstable but others do what they do for a certain reason -
A) Crime of Passion
B) Child was hurt
C) Close friend was hurt
etc. Rapists, i feel, are f*cked in the head. Why would anybody choose to rape someone? It's puzzling. Anyway, didn't Jobe kill someone? Because of God saying so. How do we know that these people aren't ordered by God.
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We all chose our paths in life.
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That's what my Nan believes. But when modern day Science comes up with more and more information on said topics every day it makes it harder to believe that, that is true.
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Gays fighting for rights are trying to change other peoples beliefs in order to make society agree with them.
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So did women in the early 1900's. I don't see whats so wrong about that. In the end you must agree that if we accept them the way they are there'll be less hate crime against them. We can accept them now and realise they're just like us, with different tastes, and in 10-20 years time be a little bit more civilised. Or, we can continue to drag this issue on, forcing it to share its issue with other important topics.
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That seems selfish to me.
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It seems more selfish that you want to deny people rights just because you have a small book that tells about it, which is going to be changed eventually.
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That seems selfish to me. A person who does something generally considered "wrong" should not try to force people who still think it is wrong to change their opinion.
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Then you don't have freedom of speech. Anyway, its generally considered wrong in America. Where, like i said, the Bible belt over there is massive and the Bible itself is taken far too seriously.
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If a paedophile tried to convince everyone that they were just the product of society, would anybody listen to them? I hope the day never comes.
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If they do say that then maybe people will say "Fine, whatever, you're still f*cked up". Nobody would really sympathise with them, because what they are actually doing is molesting a minor. Whereas gays have consenting sex with adults (or with people their own age).
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Real miracles are when a mother with superhuman strength saves her child from being crushed by car after a wreck. When a person with a paralyzing injury learns how to inspire others more fortunate than them. When a person recovers from cancer. Those are REAL signs that God is active in our lives.
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I don't think you can call these signs 'Godlike'. Possibly due to the first being down to Adrenalin. The second could be put down to self-respect. And the third down to good medical treatment and a positive attitude.
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Many times paedophiles brainwash kids into thinking what they do is okay. Which means the minor is consenting to the behavior.
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There a minor and thus its still rape. Besides, Paedophiles are vicious, manipulative people and the only way we can really combat them is by being more open with our kids about sex and our bodies. There's a quote i heard that came from a Paedophile a couple of months back and it goes -
"Show me a child who knows nothing about sex, and i'll show you my next victim"
I'm currently in contact with a Paedophile now who thinks im a 13 year old girl. He's 45 and the stuff he comes out with is appauling. He's even claimed to "love" me and is giving me money to buy a webcam so i can show myself. That kind of thing is repulsive and as soon as i find out where he lives, he can be expecting a knock on the door from the Police...either that or if he lives nearer he can bask in the flames of a Petrol bomb.
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They just shouldn't have special ones.
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I didn't realise they protested for "special rights". I thought the whole gay parade thing was to show that they're gay, its normal, people should just accept it and get over it. And also for the same rights as Heterosexual people have. Such as an allowance to be married, adopt kids etc.
But like i said and i believe you've already proved. The Bible cannot be proved to be Gods word. But anyway, what happens when they bring out a newer version of the Bible that declares that Homosexuality isn't a sin. Will you change your views?
) bridge, that you'd do it?
Anyway, so, where are we getting to with this discussion? Oddguy is right, stop asking for MILK!!! I think that we answered all your questions, so I think that I'm done, unless I feel like posting about it!
