Should Homosexual Couples Be Able To Adopt?

Rex Tirano · #1 01-23-2006, 02:16 AM

Recently, all over the world, homosexual couples are now allowed to marry [or "be joined"]. A big step for gay rights. But should these couples be allowed to adopt children?

Many people see it as experimenting to see if the children are 'okay', and that this is wrong. But I think that homosexual couples have just as much right as hetrosexual couples.

I have to laugh at the argument that they'll be made fun of, though, because it's basically saying "fags can't have kids 'cause if they do, we're gonna discriminate against them."

However, those arguments are always coming from much older people who are using their school experience as reference, and times have changed in that regard. There's tons of openly gay high school students. Clubs for it. People who pretend to be gay for status. -_- If someone themselves is gay, sure they'll be talked about, but no worse than kids who are fat or short or have stupid glasses. Same goes for having gay parents.

If a child can be raised well by a single parent, they obviously don't need both genders to be around.

- Rexy

TomFrogman · #2 01-23-2006, 02:41 AM

As much as times have changed, highschool has not. Not to speak on the behalf of every highschool student on this board, but I myself am one of these people and can tell you from first hand experience that homosexuality still isn't as generally accepted as you think. In fact, as a social experiment I told people I was a homosexual in my old school a week before I was about to leave (just for clarification, I'm not but I wasn't exactly Mr. Popular to begin with and it isn't uncommon for me to find ways to entertain myself like this). Anyhow, I literally had gangs of students follow me around school for that week, many choice few comments and I swear to God, I think I got spat on...

Albeit, my old school was filled with a bunch of assholes and I have noticed the tolerance level is much higher where I currently reside toward homosexuals and homosexual couples, my old school was public and my new one is private. I'm not entirely certain if that should even make a noticeable difference, but from my own experience it would seem as though the public in general are just plain homophobic. Countless people in my hometown, particularly other males, are also raging homophobes.

The point is, these kids are going to be made fun of. But you know what? That's no reason to deny gay couples their right to adopt. I don't think theres a single person here that can tell me they weren't made fun of in school at least once. Some kids more than others, yes, but it happens to everyone and for many different reasons. I had it particularly bad when going through school, but I coped just fine. To be honest, I just didn't care what these people had to say and I don't see why some kid with gay parents should be any different in that respect.

These people are perfectly capable and fit for raising children and that kind of an excuse is a complete cop out. They will be made fun of - this coming from a younger person, I might add - but nothing so bad they can't handle it. I'm sure I'd choose gay parents over no parents anyday. If you ask me, the real reason we deny homosexual couples the right to adopt is the same reason we denied them the right to marriage for so long. People are just plain afraid. Sad, but true.

Havoc · #3 01-23-2006, 04:09 AM

I'm not totaly sure about this one. On one hand I would want to say that homo sexuals should have the same rights, on the other hand I'm also tempted to take the childs wellfare into account. Not because I'm saying gay couples will automaticly be bad parents, but because the kid will be picked on at school ect. And thats only one of the reasons. It can be very strange for a child if it is raised with two of the same gender, while all his friends have a father and a mother, and it might get so strange for him that he will feel like an outcast at some point.

Young children need love from both genders, up to their 8th or 9th anyway. I think it would be very selfish for a gay couple to adopt a kid without thinking of the childs emotions and reaction. So with that, my idea would to only let gay couples adopt children that can decide for themselfs if they want two males or two females as parents.

Dancing Steef · #4 01-23-2006, 05:46 AM

Here's my point:

I'm a christian right, so I'm against this marrige of the homosexual. It's written in the Bible that God created a man and a woman and they should get married and have kids together. But if that so, then it has to be forbidden to be homosexual and to get married to other homosexuals.

I don't think homosexual should have the rights to adopt children, because if they'll raise a child then the child itself would get homosexual and as anyone of you mentioned before - the child needs to be together with both the father and the mother to get a full upbringing - which a homosexual couple wouldn't succed to give the child/children. Cuz the homosexual can only be man,man and Woman,woman...

This talk 'bout "Homosexual's adopting children" sucks. Everybody should have equal rights, but what kind of rights then? If I was one of them who decided this sort of decissions then I would sue them all

So to sum up: If there was a question like this "Would you support homosexual couples raising kids?" then My answer would be and stand NO.

~DS~

Abeguy · #5 01-23-2006, 05:50 AM

are the gay people going to raise their kids gay or straight? some gay couples actulley do raise their kid as straight as they can and want them to be straight. But if their raising them gay, there will be more gays, and there is already nothing I can do or say about it so. WHATEVER. Why not let them adopt, our words or nothing more than wants and craves, but unless the president joins this forum or someone represents us and joins legislature or something, no one shall hear us. Go ahead don't care

EDIT: You're right I didn't agree entirely with Dancing Steef, but as metroixer will say, as long as I'm not sucked in

Rex Tirano · #6 01-23-2006, 06:03 AM

:

because if they'll raise a child then the child itself would get homosexual

Because hetrosexual couples raise only straight children.

I completely disagree with the point of not allowing adoption because they children will grow up homosexual. I think that sexuality is a matter of nature and not nurture, so that homosexual parents would not affect the sexuality of the child.

- Rexy

TomFrogman · #7 01-23-2006, 06:44 AM

:

I'm a christian right, so I'm against this marrige of the homosexual. It's written in the Bible that God created a man and a woman and they should get married and have kids together. But if that so, then it has to be forbidden to be homosexual and to get married to other homosexuals.

I don't see how even Christians can be against gay marriage. By allowing homosexual couples to join in marriage, how does that effect you in any way? Nobody would be forcing you to marry a member of the same gender, nor would you suffer for the supposed sins of others.

Not a stab, just something I've always wanted to know the answer to. Anyone?

Back on topic though, my only concern about a homosexual couple raising a child would not be them raising their children to be gay - I personally don't believe you can force someone to be gay just as you can't force homosexuals into being straight - but the mental effects it might have on a child growing up with two parents of the same sex.

Although, I actually know a young kid whose mothers are a lesbian couple and he's perfectly normal in every way. He's sharp, good sense of humor, good grades and straight. I think if you're brought up with these things surrounding you, you achieve a hightened level of acceptance for it rather than feel outcasted by it.

Rich · #8 01-23-2006, 06:51 AM

:

Recently, all over the world, homosexual couples are now allowed to marry [or "be joined"]. A big step for gay rights. But should these couples be allowed to adopt children?

Absolutely.

Havoc · #9 01-23-2006, 07:22 AM

:

Here's my point:

I'm a christian right, so I'm against this marrige of the homosexual. It's written in the Bible that God created a man and a woman and they should get married and have kids together. But if that so, then it has to be forbidden to be homosexual and to get married to other homosexuals.

This is one of the many reasons I hate religion and each one of its extreme followers (not saying I hate you directly, but you know). You let a book(!!) form your opinion on a matter. The thing was written 2000 years or so ago, things can change you know...

.

:

I don't think homosexual should have the rights to adopt children, because if they'll raise a child then the child itself would get homosexual.

Uh... that right there kinda pissed me off a bit. Prejudgement over the limit...
Being homosexual isn't like a religion; where your parents do everything they can to force it onto you...

OANST · #10 01-23-2006, 08:48 AM

Dancing Steef, Abeguy-You be dumb.

That's all. You be dumb.

Dipstikk · #11 01-23-2006, 11:25 AM

Totally agree with everything Old and Not So Tasty said. Dancing Steef, letting a book tell you how you should think is one of the major things wrong with the world today, and has been wrong for a long time. Personally, I choose not to believe in a higher power, but especially one who hates others for what they do.

Homosexuals SHOULD be allowed to marry. If two heterosexuals love each other and can tie the knot, than why can't two men or two women? Just because it's "not christian" doesn't mean it's anyone's right to tell people they can't, and I think it was extremely stupid for George Bush to ban homosexual marrage just because it wasn't something his religion said was right. Sometimes religion has to be set aside to allow for freedom to take place.

And saying that I think it shouldn't be a crime to marry a same-sex couple, I also think that they should be allowed to adopt if they want. I think the only rules there should be the ones that already exist in adoption, what you can and can't do to an adopted child according to the different laws.

Just because they're homosexual doesn't give us the right to impede on their rights as citizens.

Havoc · #12 01-23-2006, 11:31 AM

Fact that bothers me, is that we live in a very modern society, but christians still live their life as if it's the year 0. Thats conflicting... someone write a new bible or something?

Anyway, with current laws and stuff I keep the point I said earlier, but with a little addition. Cuz I for one am a very big supporter of licensing having kids. Having children is a major responsibility, not everyone is fitted to be a parent. So I say; if you need a licence to do something relatively easy such as driving a car, go create a license for people who want to have kids. Test the parents, see if their up to the job, see if they can finance it, ect ect. Then when they have a licence, go let them have their kids one way or the other.

metroixer · #13 01-23-2006, 12:23 PM

Now i'm christian too and I have no problem hmomosexuals marrying. They get married? They get married. Woopdie friggin doo. As long as it doesen' involve me i'm happy

. Adopting? Sure why not go ahead.

***Nate*** · #14 01-23-2006, 12:26 PM

So have a theoretical test to evaluate parenthood rather than just the 'practical', so to speak?

Anyway, speaking as the forum's token Homosexual From A Religious Background, I think you guys should stop criticising Dancing Steef and his religion. He's allowed his beliefs and texts, just as you're allowed to believe that gay people should be able to adopt.

Which they should.

OANST · #15 01-23-2006, 01:44 PM

Yeah. You have a good point. But so did I.

They be dumb.

Leto · #16 01-23-2006, 02:24 PM

Yeah, but Abeguy has no justification.

People with the 'you need both a feminine side and a masculant to raise a child', think of single parents. I have two childhood friends who were raised fine by just one parent: One by their mother, the other by just the father. They're both perfectly functioning in society.

With the new homosexual marriage things happening, I think this would be the next step.

Picked on in school: Of course that will happen. Anyone and everyone gets teased ofr anything in school. "You have a slightly asymmetrical head, oh my lol!". I was teased in primary due to my flowing locks up until about twelve, with the 'Are you a boy or a girl?' question. Meh, we all get over it.

But that's besides the point. I think society is generally starting to accept homosexuality more as time progresses.

Daxter King · #17 01-23-2006, 02:30 PM

:

Now i'm christian too and I have no problem hmomosexuals marrying. They get married? They get married. Woopdie friggin doo. As long as it doesen' involve me i'm happy

. Adopting? Sure why not go ahead.

I am the same way. Unless they try to force the children/child to be gay or the child/children has a problem with it yes they should be able to adopt.

Abeguy · #18 01-23-2006, 02:41 PM

:

Dancing Steef, Abeguy-You be dumb.

That's all. You be dumb.

if I learned anything in my horrible time in Debate, its this. NOT EVERY ONE WILL AGREE, its freedom of speech, not that anything will happen just cause I stated an opinion. If everyone here said "oh sure, let them adopt!" nothing will happen, and the whole thread would be pointless because everyone would agree. thats the fun in arguing

don't let this thread ruin our already mysterious friendships. Oddworld Brought us together. Don't let something like this tear us apart

OANST · #19 01-23-2006, 02:46 PM

I never said that I don't be dumb. I do be dumb. Everyone be dumb. You just be dumb on this. I be dumb on other stuffs.

Leto · #20 01-23-2006, 02:46 PM

:

NOT EVERY ONE WILL AGREE

Every what?

Yes, but you added nothing to an arguement, and didn't have anything in which to continue with.

Why wont Jacob or Dino invade this thread? Please?

used:) · #21 01-23-2006, 04:17 PM

Hmm, I dunno. I am pretty divided on this matter. Part of me syas that they should be able to raise children because every human being is entitled to their natural human rights. But the other part of me says we shouldn't interfere with the natural parental process.

Very hard to decide. Just give me some coffee, then I will gte back to you.

oddveteran93 · #22 01-23-2006, 04:21 PM

(Perhaps I went a bit too far with this post which is why I've deleted it)

used:) · #23 01-23-2006, 04:25 PM

:

Well no offene to gays but I don't really see them as "natural humans". So, I'd have to say no, also because the poor adopted kid/kids would be teased at school and might grow up as a very disturbed child.

Not natural humans?

And I suppose straight protegarians and synthestisiacs aren't natural either? They're still human, they are still natural. Even if they aren't the parents, having a homonculus in your early life can be helpful for tolerance in your future life. I know being a diverse community in my early life helped my acceptance stay alive in this hick town.

OANST · #24 01-23-2006, 04:28 PM

We have a new member of the you be dumb club.
Welcome oddveteran93.
Your membership dues are to be paid weekly and sent to

Mathew Bell
16192 Notre Dame
Clinton Township, MI 48038

metroixer · #25 01-23-2006, 05:15 PM

Gays aren't natural humans? No offense veteran I ain't gay but you just said that the adopted child would get made fun off in school if he gets adopted by gay/lesbian people. This is technically making fun and offending the gays/lesbians who have feelings too. So you just did something you are trying to prevent. IRONY!

Dipstikk · #26 01-23-2006, 07:58 PM

:

Gays aren't natural humans? No offense veteran I ain't gay but you just said that the adopted child would get made fun off in school if he gets adopted by gay/lesbian people. This is technically making fun and offending the gays/lesbians who have feelings too. So you just did something you are trying to prevent. IRONY!

Dude, you don't have to keep telling us that you're not gay. Just because someone fights for the rights of another group of people doesn't neccesarily mean that they're part of that group.

White guys like me who fight against racism whenever it comes up are still white, we just fight for the causes of different people because we care about them.

oddveteran93 · #27 01-23-2006, 08:06 PM

For God's sake I just meant to say that I don't really like homosexual people, I don't have anything against the people who fight for their rights. Ah forget it...

used:) · #28 01-23-2006, 08:08 PM

Oh great.

Sorry guys, but it looks like Paramiteabe has been spawning. I'll get the knife. Someone has to cut out that uterus.

MojoMan220 · #29 01-23-2006, 08:22 PM

How does being raised by two men or two women change anything? Use some common sense! If they are good parents, that should be all that matters.

Far too many people have the traditional family unit stapled into the back of their minds, that they can't accept change. Nobody needs both a father and a mother to be brought up properly. My parents have been divorced for as long as I can remember, and I would kill to have two parents that didn't hate eachother's very existence. Despite that fact, I am perfectly normal.

A homosexual couple will not turn a child gay, you sort of have to be born that way. The kid ain't gonna be disturbed just because he saw his fathers makeout, nor would a child who saw his or her straight parents doing the same thing. If people make fun, then so be it. That person can take pleasure in knowing that they are more evolved then those losers.

I find it disgusting that their are narrow-minded individuals that would like to prevent a kid from recieving a loving family because of the couple's sexual orientation.

:

We have a new member of the you be dumb club.
Welcome oddveteran93.
Your membership dues are to be paid weekly and sent to

Mathew Bell
16192 Notre Dame
Clinton Township, MI 48038

You are awesome.

:

For God's sake I just meant to say that I don't really like homosexual people, I don't have anything against the people who fight for their rights. Ah forget it...

So I suppose if one of your best friends turned out to be gay, you would no longer see that person.

TomFrogman · #30 01-23-2006, 08:36 PM

:

I just meant to say that I don't really like homosexual people

Somehow that seems like an even worse gesture than I first thought you were going for...