troy davis death penalty

[scrabface]

I have to admit that I never heard of this man until today, but what I read about him and his case is terribly shocking. how is this possible?

„While the State’s case may not be ironclad, most reasonable jurors would again vote to convict Mr Davis of Officer MacPhail’s murder. A federal court simply cannot interpose itself and set aside the jury verdict in this case absent a truly persuasive showing of innocence.“ (William T. Moore)

what happened to "in dubio pro reo"?
I am sure this story is topic number one in the states, so what do you think about this and death penalty in general? I am so angry and I cannot imagine how gruelling and disturbing this must be for davis. I wouldn't know how to stay sane when I would be imprisoned only to wait for getting killed.

[Dixanadu]

Legalise capital punishment. Abolish the prison system.

It'll give people second thoughts about committing crimes.

Remember, Dix for Overlord!

[MeechMunchie]

A vote for Dix is a vote for not being able to vote.

[Dixanadu]

The voting system will also be abolished. Along with trains.

I hate trains.

[MeechMunchie]

*BWEEEOOOOOW*

[STM]

Will there be an alternative maglev system?

[Crashpunk]

I hate Buses, Can you get rid of them for me Dix?

[Havoc]

Death penalty should only be given when the case is proven 100%, without any kind of reasonable doubt at all. And even then, only for serial murderers, rapists and child molesters.

Personally I'm all for donating these people to science, but apparently it's more morally justified to just kill them.

[Strike Witch]

I always thought spending your life rotting in a tiny cell was more scary than just being killed.

[Wings of Fire]

Death penalty should only be given when the case is proven 100%, without any kind of reasonable doubt at all. And even then, only for serial murderers, rapists and child molesters.

Personally I'm all for donating these people to science, but apparently it's more morally justified to just kill them.

Wah! We agree on something.

[Havoc]

I always thought spending your life rotting in a tiny cell was more scary than just being killed.

Problem being that doing it that way costs a few hundred bux a day per prisoner. Personally I don't think those people are worth that much money.

[Bullet Magnet]

Most of the key witnesses recanted their testimonies already.

I am utterly terrified of the prospect of trial by my peers. I've met my peers.

Problem being that doing it that way costs a few hundred bux a day per prisoner. Personally I don't think those people are worth that much money.

It costs a hell of a lot more to execute someone. The legal process required to legally excecute someone (as opposed to murdering them) is extraordinarily expensive. A prisoner would have to be blessed/cursed with great longevity for their prison costs to match.

[Havoc]

Donating them to science it is then.

[Dixanadu]

I hate Buses, Can you get rid of them for me Dix?

Buses are cunts.

Your wish will be granted.

[moxco]

I don't support capital punishment, not out of sympathy for the prosecuted; I don't doubt most of those scumbags deserve death, but because it is not economically infallible.

We need some sort of slavery system where prisoners pull their own weight.

[Wil]

I remember when the Oddworld Forums were really left-wing.

[Nate]

Death penalty should only be given when the case is proven 100%, without any kind of reasonable doubt at all. And even then, only for serial murderers, rapists and child molesters.

How do you define "100%, without any kind of reasonable doubt"? I mean, the American legal system as it stands is only meant to convict people if they're guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

[Wings of Fire]

How do you define "100%, without any kind of reasonable doubt"? I mean, the American legal system as it stands is only meant to convict people if they're guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

But reasonable double is scientifically 5%. So statistically one out of every twenty people executed because they were guilty beyond reasonable doubt is innocent.

[Nate]

But reasonable double is scientifically 5%. So statistically one out of every twenty people executed because they were guilty beyond reasonable doubt is innocent.

I don't think that the legal system uses the rules of scientific probability assessment.

[Wings of Fire]

I don't even know what I was trying to say there.

Probably that 'beyond reasonable doubt' is a pretty weak term when peoples' lives are on the line.

[Nate]

Agreed. Which was also part of my point to Havoc.

[moxco]

I can't be bothered wikipediaing it, how is beyond reasonable doubt defined? I mean unless it's a black person in the 1950s I assume they're going to be pretty goddamn sure someone is guilty before executing them.

That said capital punishment is really just a form of vengeance more than anything else.

[Havoc]

I mean that if there's even one piece of evidence that seems to contradict the rest, at least the sentence should be reverted to a life sentence instead of the death penalty.

In the case of Troy there are multiple questionable pieces of evidence. No death penalty should be given unless the doubts surrounding those pieces of evidence have been cleared up.

In my book without a doubt means that the crime has been caught on camera for example, or by multiple DNA matches in the case of a serial rapist/murderer. Stuff like that. When things have to be assumed during a trial the death penalty should already be off the table.

[Nate]

There are always assumptions to be made. You're assuming that no-one has doctored the footage, that the cops have done their job diligently, that the evidence hasn't been corrupted. There was a case recently in Australia where an accused rapist was convicted on DNA evidence that was later found out to be faulty due to the method in which it had been collected - a girl he had slept with happened to be swabbed in the same room as the rape victim the day previously and they hadn't properly cleaned the room in between.


If the loophole you suggest existed in law, you'll find that lawyers would quickly become experts at raising the slightest tinge of doubt to get their clients off death row.

[Wil]

Unless they're also experts at putting themselves in their clients' wills.

[Bullet Magnet]

There is always room left for doubt. Especially if eyewitness testomonies are involved. Those things are sketch.

[STM]

Can't they just put him in a chain gang and make him clean up the roadsides for like fifty years, while wearing a pink jump suit. I watched a programme where they did that. Seems a good way of giving back to the community.

[Dipstikk]

I remember when the Oddworld Forums were really left-wing.

You mean "rational." Oddworld Forums has been invaded by young, soulless cunts since I left. Most of their jokes and humor make me physically sick.

If you can't retain a sense of maturity on real-life issues, then I'll teach you how.

This man is going to be executed regardless of his innocence. There's enough evidence to call the verdict into question, but living in the southern USA, I know the drill. Black man in the Georgian criminal system. Georgia's a huge Klan state.

Southern-fried sons of whores.

[Dixanadu]

Georgia's national anthem reminds me of Robin Hood.

It makes me want to joust.

EDIT: You meant the American state Georgia.

I WILL NOT WITHDRAW

[MeechMunchie]

Not as good as the Turkish national anthem. It sounds like the villian's entrance riff from a pantomime.