South Dakota makes another smart move

CheeseOfGlory · #1 02-23-2006, 04:14 PM

You've probably all seen this by now, South Dakota recently passed a law banning all abortions in the state. Apparently they are trying to force another supreme court decision on the subject and overturn Roe v. Wade.

Besides another hooray for crazy christian fundamentalists who obviously have our best interests at heart, is this new law worth the risk of challenging it? After two Bush appointees it doesn't look very good for abortion rights if this becomes a supreme court battle. If Roe v. Wade is overturned, then the states will get to decide if abortion should stay legal. Considering how rabid both sides of this argument have become, maybe its a good idea to let red and blue states decide for themselves.

Either way, man I hate South Dakota.

used:) · #2 02-23-2006, 04:17 PM

Banned all abortions? This is news to me.

Bah, who couldn't see it coming? besides, South Dakota is nothing but a back water farming province with next to nothing importance in the current day.

*sniffs* I smell underground illeagal abortions!

Nepharski · #3 02-23-2006, 04:20 PM

I don't think they should have banned all abortions, per say, as much as they should have banned most. Rape and danger to the mother are two very justified scenarios for an abortion, but that's about it. They should leave a clause in case one of those two sets of criteria is met. Otherwise, however, I'm proud of them.

Abeguy · #4 02-23-2006, 04:27 PM

I think that killing babies is cruel and kudos to SD
just imagine if you never got to live. would you be here? and if soulmates exist, think of the increase of old misers if it kept up.

used:) · #5 02-23-2006, 04:40 PM

But your personal beliefs and "moral values" don't justify the decisions of women in this subject.

Personally I do not agree with abortion. If a woman is dumb enough to have unprotected sex, she should have to deal with the child they are growing. But yes, rape and danger are more than good enough reasons to engage in an abortion.

CheeseOfGlory · #6 02-23-2006, 05:27 PM

Well the only exception is for a woman who needs the abortion to save her life. No provisions for rape or incest that I know of.

AquaticAmbi · #7 02-23-2006, 05:58 PM

Oh shite... Better stock up on their coat hangers!

My stance is that viewing sex as nothing more than a means of procreation ignores all the other equally important reasons: Emotional bonding and the more obvious physical satisfaction. And an abortion may be appropriate if an accident occurs when the couple is only ready for the emotional responsibility and such but not parenthood. Moreover, a baby should not be born as a "punishment"--thinking that it should be is a disgusting and absurd thought. Children should only be born into a life of love; birth should be a happy event rather than regretful.

Interesting quotation regarding the debate: "Whether or not abortion should be legal turns on the answer to the question of whether and at what point a fetus is a person. This is a question that cannot be answered logically or empirically. The concept of personhood is neither logical nor empirical: It is essentially a religious, or quasi-religious idea, based on one's fundamental (and therefore unverifiable) assumptions about the nature of the world."

Basically, you can kick and scream saying a fertilized egg is a person while someone else may argue it's not until it has brain waves or maybe not until it's even delivered. There's absolutely no way of settling the argument.

Rich · #8 02-24-2006, 12:58 AM

Abortions should be legal. For physical and mental health reasons.

Separation of the church and state is needed.

Dino · #9 02-24-2006, 05:22 AM

I've said it before and I'll say it again here, I do not, and never will understand how the religious beliefs of one individual, or group of individuals, can be allowed to dictate how an atheist lives his life.

The christians don't like abortion? Why not make it illegal for all christians to have abortions? Sounds like a plan to me.

Havoc · #10 02-24-2006, 06:01 AM

Oh goodie... more examples of the bible becoming the lawbook. I'm so getting sick of that happening... If someone doesn't want a child, go them for wanting to abort it. You know what should be illigal? Breeding! There are plenty of kids in shelter homes and orphonages (sp?). If you want a kid, get one out of one of those. That also saves the trouble of helping them trough the first few years...

OANST · #11 02-24-2006, 06:51 AM

I don't think that it has anything to do with the bible. I refuse to reward stupidity by killing an innocent life. And I know that there are those would argue that a fetus isn't human yet and so it has no rights. That's bullshit. If you leave a sperm to it's own devices it will just swim around until it's eventual death. If you leave a fetus to it's own devices it will grow into a fully functional human being.
Now if a woman is raped then she obviously should not be expected to have that child. I also have no problem if the womans life is in danger or if incest is involved. Other than that I say you are having the kid.

***Nate*** · #12 02-24-2006, 10:48 AM

I can see where you're coming from OANST but not everyone has your commitment or moral fortitude. If they banned abortions (and somehow stopped backyard ones as well) you'd see a huge increase in babies being put up for adoption, getting sent into the (already over-loaded) child protection system and a huge increase in welfare from the teenagers who aren't capable of supporting themselves after changing their lives so thoroughly

OANST · #13 02-24-2006, 10:54 AM

A poor life is better than no life.

Dipstikk · #14 02-24-2006, 11:28 AM

If a woman is raped and is carrying a child she's not ready to have, I think this justifies an abortion. But if you're so stupid that you get knocked up whenver you leave the house, than it's your responsablility.

Fucking religion.

***Nate*** · #15 02-24-2006, 12:23 PM

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A poor life is better than no life.

I disagree. If I were a fetus and I were given the choice between no life or a life in poverty with no love and a good chance of being physically and sexually abused they I'd choose the former. But maybe that's just me.

As a seperate thought, I heard a while back that someone was deploring the cost of abortions to the public health care system (yes, that sort of thing does exist in civilised countries)

. Well I would definately agree but I don't think banning them is the answer. Rather, the government should spend some money to save some money and educate kids on safe sex and birth control - and it must be based in the real world, because preaching abstinence is never going to work.

Havoc · #16 02-24-2006, 12:34 PM

If I remember correctly it says somewhere in that realy old important document which I can't write the name up from:

"Everyone has the right to live"...

Well first off all, I disagree with that for plenty of reasons, the primary one being stupidity, but thats aside the subject. I also disagree for fetusses. A fetus is still developing and is not YET a human being. That law does not go for things that are stuck inside someone else! And doesn't the mother get a say in this? Why is everyone so concerned about the fetus? It can't think yet, it's not even fully developed.

And isn't America supposed to be the country of freedom and free speech? I mean, fine if some rundown smuck goes running around telling people not to abort, but why the hell are people making it a law and say: I DON'T know who you are, or what happened, or if you can even support a child, but you can't abort it anyway! HA!

I would like see the daughter of the idiot who made this up get pregnant while she's just 14, and can't abort because it's against the law. I'd so laugh in his face...

***Nate*** · #17 02-24-2006, 12:38 PM

Well that idiot would probably say that it served his daughter right for having premarital sex and they'd probably do the 'right' thing and give the child away, unloved and uncared for.

Havoc · #18 02-24-2006, 12:41 PM

If the father of the daughter would say that about his own child, then I say just shoot the entire bunch of them. People like that are not supposed to be walking on this planet... unfortunatly there already are more then this planet can handle...

Nepharski · #19 02-24-2006, 02:36 PM

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Abortions should be legal. For physical and mental health reasons.

Actually, I remember reading somewhere that abortions are notoriously unsafe and unstructured, when compared with other surgery. For example, an abortion is the only surgery in America that requires neither the alerting of a relative or a post-operation check up, amongst other things.

Coolmanbizkit · #20 02-24-2006, 03:30 PM

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If a woman is raped and is carrying a child she's not ready to have, I think this justifies an abortion. But if you're so stupid that you get knocked up whenver you leave the house, than it's your responsablility.

Fucking religion.

I was gonna say that! But because you stole what i was going to say. I will say, I completly agree with you. If they firced the woman to keep the baby. Then that isn't right. Cases like that (If it happened) Should be either a special case. Or her choice.

Rich · #21 02-25-2006, 02:37 AM

I'm considering forming a semi-communist, left wing, atheist political party.

Any UKers care to join? The only problem is, we'd need a revolution first to remove the royals and separate the CoE from parliament.

oddveteran93 · #22 02-25-2006, 02:49 AM

In think abortions should be legal. It's a free country based on a Democracy goddammit!

Havoc · #23 02-25-2006, 04:21 AM

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I'm considering forming a semi-communist, left wing, atheist political party.

Any UKers care to join? The only problem is, we'd need a revolution first to remove the royals and separate the CoE from parliament.

I'd be right by your side. Though I'm not from the UK, that a problem? :P.

Rich · #24 02-25-2006, 04:26 AM

Thats no problem.

It could be world-wide movement. The people need liberation.

Havoc · #25 02-25-2006, 04:31 AM

"God save America"

Well god is not here right now, so I guess it's up to the rest of the world to libirate America. The country which was once so free has now locked itself in the bathroom.

Dino · #26 02-25-2006, 08:26 AM

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I'm considering forming a semi-communist, left wing, atheist political party.

Any UKers care to join? The only problem is, we'd need a revolution first to remove the royals and separate the CoE from parliament.

Did you see that programme about forming your own country? I believe, although I don't know if they actually did, but I believe they attempted to form their own country on this plot of land with a house on it (the "head of state building").

If that is actually possible, you could do that. Gradually acquiring land by encouraging other people to make their own homes into a seperate country, and then merging their country with yours. This way you could initiate an invasion of the UK, by taking over the land that it controls.

Rich · #27 02-25-2006, 08:40 AM

The French had their revolution ages ago, why can't we have ours? Imagine the revolutionaries marching up the mall and laying siege to Buckingham Palace. How does one actually go about stopping a royal family from being royalty? Do we just have to kick them out of the palace and lock them up?

***Nate*** · #28 02-25-2006, 09:47 AM

Royalty is only in people's heads. If people stopped treating them as special, then they would stop being special. Which has happened to some extent in the last 30-odd years, the way that they used to be a respected symbol of Mother-England and now they're just tabloid fodder.

But if you really wanted to get rid of them, just have a referendum. From what I hear, they don't have all that much popular support in Britain these days anyway.

Although if you did get rid of them, your tourism industry might take a hit.

ANN NEELY · #29 02-27-2006, 03:05 AM

This always pisses me off. If you're against abortions, don't get one; stop jamming your religious beliefs down everyone's throats.

What happens if you're raped? You shouldn't be forced to care for child that you didn't choose to have. Some people may be too poor, busy, etc. to care for a child. Would you want your child to grow up on the streets in poverty? I know I don't.

Every woman should have the right to an abortion, wether Christians like it or not.

OANST · #30 02-27-2006, 06:50 AM

I don't want to be an ass (I will though), but a goth chick just blamed things on Christianity. What an entirely new concept. I have never seen a person dressed completely in black blame anything on Christianity before.

It has nothing to do with religion. I do not believe in God but I also refuse to take innocent life because the parents don't feel like living with the responsibility. It is very, VERY easy to find adoptive parents as long as you look before the child is born. All the horror stories that you hear are from foster homes, not adoptive homes. It is very difficult to find someone to adopt a child that already has a couple of years on it.

Of course, OF COURSE, if a woman is raped she should not have to have the child. I don't think anyone would argue against that. But if a woman gets pregnant and just doesn't want it? Well, cry me a goddamn river. A little bit of pain will probably make you think twice about taking manseed into your uterus.

By the way, I like your avatar. Sandman is great.