Oddworldian reproduction

[moxco]

Does Every one come from their queen. if not who does and who doesnt.

[Arxryl]

Well, I don't think it is official yet or not, but I believe that Mudokons, Sligs and Glukkons have gueens.

I don't think Gabbits do, as Munch is (as of right now) the only surviving adult Gabbit, and Steefs don't have a queen.

Grubbs have a leader, but not a Queen in the sense of the others. Outlaws don't have a queen, and I am not sure about Slogs, Paramites, Scrabs, fleeches, Fuzzles, Thudslugs and the other wildlife.

I think we may have to wait for official answers on some of those, but mostly Muds, Sligs, and Gluks have queens as far as I know.

[moxco]

Yeah I know that but what i meant was does the queen give birth to every one. think of ants if you dont know what im talking about.

[Zerox]

This has been discussed an awful lot in this forum before, perhaps in the earlier version of this thread?...no, I think it was something else. Try using the search, or go back through a couple pages.

[Cullen Heath]

Mox.Co, I think I get what you are saying. Are you asking, basically, if there is just one queen per species, such as only Sam to give birth to all of the Muds, and only Skillya to give birth to all of the Sligs? If that's what you are asking, we... don't really know, I guess. Cause there has been discussion on how Abe should just find a new queen and rid of Sam, and then there has been discussion on how if Maggie doesn't get her transplant, then the Glukkons would be no more. I lean more towards that there is only one queen per species. That just makes more sence to me, but it's only an assumption, and we haven't had any official word on it, I don't think.

[moxco]

You know what im saying. So we dont know.

[Slaveless]

Now on your orginal question, I think the position now where the termite like populations are now have only one queen. But that necessarily isn't true for when they were all not involved with Industerial cities. It seems like Maggie would be the only queen of the Glukkons, since all Glukkons come from the same mother. We don't know if there once was more, but I feel that Maggie really is the only queen that survived the Achemly Age.

I remember hearing a story with Skillya, proving that she is the only one, but wasn't always the only queen. When she was born, she had sisters that were much different than her. They were sweet, kind, everything you didn't see in her. She wanted to kill them all. So when the Glukkons came to her, who promised loads of moolah for her children and also promised to kill the rest of her family, she couldn't say no. Now the Slig population is where it is now.

The Mudokons only have one, but I feel as if when the Mudokons had tribes, each one had a queen. It would make sense that way.

[Jordan]

I should expect the wildlife like Scrabs and Paramites would have queens, or one reproductive female per pack.
With the herds of Scrabs there is only one male and the rest are female?
And one of those females would be the 'queen' or mother to the pack.
But I could be wrong!

[Wil]

Scrab herds have only been described in terms of Alpha Scrabs and non‐Alpha Scrabs. My guess is that, since super species are the predominant reproductive model on Oddworld, the Alpha Scrabs are actually the females. The inspiration behind the queens is to explore how people would treat the only individual their entire species is dependent on.

[used:)]

I think the reproductive models of the wildlife does not include queens. I think the alphascrab system is just a simple alpha leader thing. While it makes sense that the alpha scrab is the only female, you have to remember the numerous mothers in the scrabanian temple who did not head any herds. This leads me to believe that because of the large differences in environments, the Scrabanian scrabs are lone riders because of the bigger population coupled with the harsher environment while the wilderness scrabs stick together because of the bigger variety of fauna needing protection against and the better accessibility of the region.

I know there are many counter statements to this, but I'm too lazy to draw them out.

[moxco]

I dont think with scrabs and paramites there is just one reproductive feamale.
"For paramites and scrabs were sacread once, and that was before RuptureFarms turned them into lunch"."they livied in the temples and thats were they still nest.
they still nest not there queen still nest.

[Wil]

I agree. Like eusocial bees, etc. on Earth, there is probably one reproductive queen per division of population (in the case of Scrabs, one per herd). Possibly long ago there were multiple Mud, Gluk and Slig queens, but as they each evolved the ability to view themselves as a species, they became increasingly territorial and competed more heavily. I think this is comparable with how early huminan species possibly wiped each other out.

I find it interesting that there is much more discussion about Scrab society than there is about Paramite society. Why is this?

[used:)]

Paramites give you visual information with the many hives and webs you must pass in Paramonia and the temple.

[moxco]

I find it interesting that there is much more discussion about Scrab society than there is about Paramite society. Why is this?

Yeah I noticed it to. Probaly Scrabs are more agrissive so people love to poses them more than paramites.

[Arxryl]

Well, that and what Skillya said. There's less known and implied about Scrabs then there is about Paramites. With paramites we can guess as to how they live and such a little more accurately with the given information.

Also the herds of Scrabs in MO throws off the idea of all Scrabs being territorial...

[Zerox]

I don't think Scrabs have queens and the gender ratio is fairly equal. Mudokon and more highly advanced queen species have a queen, but the 'worker' levels of the species assist the queen by defending her, finding food and suchlike, meaning there is a purpose to producing these workers. Scrabs and Paramites are not seen to gather food for a queen, and just feed themselves, so it is unlikely a queen would waste energy producing them.
There must be more than one queen, otherwise there would only be one 'family', as it were, to produce a king for the queen, the queens own son, and inbreeding screws up right there. I presume kings journey to find other queens, when kings are produced. Perhaps Sam has had an operation to prevent kings being laid from eggs, so that they only have the usual workers.
Like ants, we could have something where kings and queens (kings/queens come from different nests, so only queens from one, only kings from another etc.) and journey out to find each other. Then, they set up in a cave or something for a home. They are escorted to another queen or something by 5-10 workers. The queen only develops the large egg sac when they're settled into a home.

[Jordan]

Maybe Sam is one of those creatures that can just give birth naturally? I forgot what that's called...

[Zerox]

What, without a male?
So much for Mudokon evolution, then...seldom, how'd they evolve in the first place?

[Jordan]

Some fish only need one male to fertilize them, and after that, they can give birth as many times as they like. This could be what happens with Sam?

[Bullet Magnet]

It's what happens with a lot of colonial insect super species in which the male doesn't hang around after mating (ie dies).

Though there are a lot of species in which the male is little more than a mobile testicle, it homes in on and fuses with a female, so that she always has a ready supply of sperm.

[Zerox]

Some fish only need one male to fertilize them, and after that, they can give birth as many times as they like. This could be what happens with Sam?

Mebbe. her the king lives or dies or not..well, I'd suspect they'd live, there's no reason not too, as in the more advanced than insects' Mudokon society, the king could help govern the workers along with the queen.

[Zozo the Zrilufet]

Jordan-boi, when a species reproduces by itself, it's called asexual reproduction, it's what vykkers do. And if anyone needs an answer to Sam's reproduction or whatever, it's found in the official FAQ here. http://www.oddworld.com/firsttenyear...ralf4_03.shtml

[Wil]

Vykkers don’t reproduce asexually. Asexual reproduction is done without male and female gametes. Vykkers reproduction involves fertilization of gametes, but both male and female components are contained in an individual organism.

[Zozo the Zrilufet]

Ah, okay then Max, your smarter than me.

[moxco]

I dont think vykkers mate. having 3 legs would make it difficult.

[Jordan]

It wouldn't really make it hard, they might actually recieve more pleasure if they tried!

[moxco]

Okay jordan thats A little to much detail...

[Slaveless]

Having three legs doesn't mean you can't mate. Imagine being an Elephant and trying to mate. Yet it still happens.

[snuzi]

Okay jordan thats A little to much detail...

MoxCo, you were the one who wanted to know .

[used:)]

Though there are a lot of species in which the male is little more than a mobile testicle, it homes in on and fuses with a female, so that she always has a ready supply of sperm.

Ah, the Angler Fish. What a beaut she is