Good Ol' Fashioned God Debate -

T-nex · #**211** 07-20-2010, 07:36 AM

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See, this is what I hate about non-religious people: they have no moral basis at all and believe they are free to do whatever they want. Yeah, go out and murder someone, you say, because I can't argue against you, in your opinion.

What the fucking hell? ....

How is homosexuality anything close to murdering people? Homosexuality allow gay people to be happy. How is a guy fucking another guy's ass murder?

Not allowing people to be happy is a big crime in my eyes. Are gay people hurting your moral ego?

Atheists believe just as much as religious people that murder is wrong, if not more. Of course there are psychos, but those are found in the atheist AND religious groups.

Lord Stanley · #**212** 07-20-2010, 07:37 AM

Yes, because they insist that there is no God. If you believe in God, you believe his word, and his word expressly states that homosexuality is a sin. So is murder. You have no moral basis against homosexuality, so where is your moral basis against murder?

T-nex · #**213** 07-20-2010, 07:39 AM

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Yes, because they insist that there is no God. If you believe in God, you believe his word, and his word expressly states that homosexuality is a sin. So is murder. You have no moral basis against homosexuality, so where is your moral basis against murder?

How about my personal stance is, without the help of some god, that murdering is wrong. My moral basis is that which I've formed by myself, and not the help of a book.
I do not need the promise of eternity in heaven to stop stealing, killing and whatever. I do what makes people happy. Murdering people doesn't make them happy.

Wings of Fire · #**214** 07-20-2010, 07:40 AM

Murder is wrong, homosexuality is not.

My conscience is as good a tool as your book, your faith does not give you the right to try to oppress others with your beliefs.

OANST · #**215** 07-20-2010, 07:41 AM

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See, this is what I hate about non-religious people: they have no moral basis at all and believe they are free to do whatever they want. Yeah, go out and murder someone, you say, because I can't argue against you, in your opinion.

The fuck? Are you equating murder to homosexuality?

How dare you assume that I have no moral basis. When I don't kill someone, it isn't because I'm afraid of eternal repercussions, it's because I know that causing harm is wrong.

Bullet Magnet · #**216** 07-20-2010, 07:43 AM

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I have no idea what you're talking about, Wings of Fire. Many times Christians bring medicines along with their Bibles, to help the people in the Eastern countries who don't have the European/American wealth.

Giood work that has been entirely undone by the Catholic campaign against condoms, exponentially increasing the spread of HIV while claiming that condoms increase transmission. Self-righteous lies that cause agonising death and misery.

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See, this is what I hate about non-religious people: they have no moral basis at all and believe they are free to do whatever they want. Yeah, go out and murder someone, you say, because I can't argue against you, in your opinion.

My morals are utterly superior to those found in the Bible in every way. I don't know whether they are superior to your own, because I know damn well that your morals don't come from the Bible. You are better than that.

Ridg3 · #**217** 07-20-2010, 07:53 AM

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Yes, because they insist that there is no God. If you believe in God, you believe his word, and his word expressly states that homosexuality is a sin. So is murder. You have no moral basis against homosexuality, so where is your moral basis against murder?

If you wanted to make a proper argument against homosexuality, I'd suggest not putting it on the same moral level as murder. The reason why most of us have nothing against homosexuality is that we're not bigoted cunt's who want to stand in between people who make each other happy.

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Murder, as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being with intent (or malice aforethought)

My moral basis on murder is basically this... so how exactly could you mention those two things on the same paragraph? Better yet, have you ever smoked? Drunk alcohol? Taken drugs? Had sex outside of marriage? Masturbated? Had a bad thought about another human being? If so, by your logic, you're going straight to Hell.

Now stop posting your mindless drivel before you end up offending someone.

EDIT: Beaten to the point

T-nex · #**218** 07-20-2010, 07:57 AM

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EDIT: Beaten to the point

There there, it's ok *pats*. We need numbers anyway, to show people that it's not just one crazy guy/gal talking.

Anyway I don't think he's offending anyone. More like.... Provoking people to argue against his very close minded posts.
I really hope that he will at least let other people live their life as they wish(as long as they aren't murdering anyone).

Josh · #**219** 07-20-2010, 08:00 AM

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See, this is what I hate about non-religious people: they have no moral basis at all and believe they are free to do whatever they want. Yeah, go out and murder someone, you say, because I can't argue against you, in your opinion.

There were people before religion you know. And clearly their lack of morals has left us all non-existant, from all that murdering of our ancestors that they clearly did.

Wings of Fire · #**220** 07-20-2010, 08:02 AM

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There were people before religion you know.

There were not have you even read the bible!

Josh · #**221** 07-20-2010, 08:04 AM

Have you?

Wings of Fire · #**222** 07-20-2010, 08:13 AM

The saucy bits.

Josh · #**223** 07-20-2010, 08:15 AM

Wings of Fire · #**224** 07-20-2010, 08:19 AM

I think the bible would have been a more interesting read if you appended the phrase 'If you know what I mean' to every instance of 'X begat Y'.

MeechMunchie · #**225** 07-20-2010, 08:20 AM

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who said i am trying to convert someone?

No-one. I was responding to T-nex, and even then it was a joke.

Havoc · #**226** 07-20-2010, 08:35 AM

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Yes, because they insist that there is no God. If you believe in God, you believe his word, and his word expressly states that homosexuality is a sin. So is murder. You have no moral basis against homosexuality, so where is your moral basis against murder?

That attitude is everything that is wrong with religion. You people can't think for yourself, and that's why some atheists feel the need to 'fight' against religion. You need a book that was written thousands of years ago to tell you what's right and what's wrong. If the pope stood up during that (yearly?) event at the Vatican and told everyone that god told him that homosexuality is no longer a sin and everyone present should draw a number and give him a blowjob, you idiots would do it without even thinking twice.

Lord Stanley · #**227** 07-20-2010, 08:47 AM

As I have said before, you are confusing true Christians with Roman Catholics! I believe the Pope is wrong.

You people are free to live your lives as you wish. I am not saying that. I am simply stating I disagree with that. You can ignore me or curse at me (which have both been done.) Fine, I can live with that. But why do you refuse to let me speak if that's what this thread is all about?

MeechMunchie · #**228** 07-20-2010, 08:50 AM

We are letting you speak. To quote you, we are simply stating we disagree with that.

NOTE TO CERTAIN PERSON/S:

Humans are capable of making their own judgements. Whether we believe in a higher power or not, we are capable of seeing wrong when it is blindingly obvious.

A base principle for me is that:

1) Anything that prevents bad is good, and vice versa.
2) Happiness is always good, because everyone knows that's good. It is what we feel when exposed to good.
3) Rule one takes priority, so happiness for one that prevents happiness for others is still bad.

For example:
Lonlieness prevents happiness (bad).
Homosexuality prevents homosexuals from being lonely (good)
Ergo: Homosexuality is good.

Wings of Fire · #**229** 07-20-2010, 08:50 AM

Urgh.

The persecution complex.

We're not refusing to let you speak, we're disagreeing with you.

Lord Stanley · #**230** 07-20-2010, 08:59 AM

To my way of thinking, though, you're saying everyone is free to make their own code of law. What if someone's law says that sins like theft and adultery and murder are perfectly acceptable because they make that person happy?

Have you noticed that Christianity has lasted since the beginning of the world until now and shows no sign of stopping?

Havoc · #**231** 07-20-2010, 09:00 AM

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As I have said before, you are confusing true Christians with Roman Catholics! I believe the Pope is wrong.

Replace 'Pope' with 'Jezus' and voila, the point becomes valid again.

Lord Stanley · #**232** 07-20-2010, 09:01 AM

But God's Word has not changed, unlike the Pope's mind. Jesus will not change His mind.

Josh · #**233** 07-20-2010, 09:02 AM

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To my way of thinking, though, you're saying everyone is free to make their own code of law. What if someone's law says that sins like theft and adultery and murder are perfectly acceptable because they make that person happy?

Just because there are some fucked up people, does not mean we all have to start listening to a frankly opressive religion.

MeechMunchie · #**234** 07-20-2010, 09:02 AM

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To my way of thinking, though, you're saying everyone is free to make their own code of law. What if someone's law says that sins like theft and adultery and murder are perfectly acceptable because they make that person happy?

If directed at me, read rule 3 again. Killing someone deprives them of any happiness they would have had in their life. If directed at everyone, read the NOTE TO CERTAIN PERSON/S. Humanity decided murder is wrong a long time ago.

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Have you noticed that Christianity has lasted since the beginning of the world until now and shows no sign of stopping?

Yes, but to use your argument, so has murder. Surely it must be good if everyone keeps doing it, right?

Wings of Fire · #**235** 07-20-2010, 09:14 AM

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Have you noticed that Christianity has lasted since the beginning of the world until now and shows no sign of stopping?

No, I never ever noticed that before because I was under the impression that Christianity was preceded by Judaism.

Also, Islam overtook Christianity as the fastest growing religion a decade or so ago.

Bullet Magnet · #**236** 07-20-2010, 09:16 AM

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But God's Word has not changed, unlike the Pope's mind. Jesus will not change His mind.

A significant weakness when the world changes at an exponentially increasing pace.

Josh · #**237** 07-20-2010, 09:16 AM

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Jesus will not change His mind.

Thats because he's dead.

Wings of Fire · #**238** 07-20-2010, 09:18 AM

There's another thing.

Firstly if both Christianity and Judaism are to be believed God changed his mind an awful lot.

Secondly part of the reason Islam is growing in populairty is because one of the core messages of it is to change and be flexible to accomadate the changing world.

Havoc · #**239** 07-20-2010, 09:23 AM

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But God's Word has not changed, unlike the Pope's mind. Jesus will not change His mind.

You want to tell him to his face that he didn't change his mind, even if he just told you that he did?

Seriously, if jesus came down to you and told you that being gay is from that point on accepted, what would you do?

Havoc · #**240** 07-20-2010, 09:25 AM

Edit: Wrong thread.