I beat the Co-op as well last week. So much fun splitscreen. I loved the credits for co-op, less so single player. I can't wait for the DLC and inevitably Portal 3. It will be my next favorite game.
Is it just me or is the Space Core the most boring thing ever to be picked up as a gamer meme? It was amusing, but not very memorable.
Max, don't be such a downer and join us in SPAAAACE
"Dad, are you space?"
"Yes, son. Now we are a family again."
It wasn't so much the core, but the personality and voice talent behind it that made the malfunctioning turrets and the other faulty cores, and by association, the rest of the game, funny to me. You can really feel how much fun Nolan North had with those parts, and it rubs off on you.
If only Oddworld would get the stick out of their asses and hire some actual voice actors. I know Valve has typically brought in old voice actors to play parts in new games, but at least those people are actors who know what they're doing, and that the voice direction from Valve is really engaging, which is why they got such a great performance from Ellen in Portal. Part of what makes puzzle-games like Portal so entertaining was the reward I'd get from hearing GlaDOS ever so often, because Ellen McLain is such a talented voice actor. Oddworld's got quirky humor too, but the "vocal stylings" of Lorne and Co are game-breaking for me. Hearing them fumble their way through simple lines that any idiot, myself included (setting you up for a joke, YOU BETTER BITE), can successfully pull off in a way that sounds natural inexperienced, is grating. The cutscenes in AE, for example, are voiced in a way that sounds both forced and inexperienced (listening to the "boiler panic" scene's dialogue is like dragging myself along broken glass), and then there's the fact that EVERY NPC in Stranger's Wrath sounds exactly the same. At least the NPCs in Munch have the decency to babble incoherently when not engaged in gamespeak. (The only successful voice actor in Munch was the guy who did the lines for the Vykker auctioneer.)
They could do a lot better, is all I'm saying. Maybe they should try to bite the bullet on the voice issue.
I always find ways to shoehorn unfairly critical OW rants into my posts, but IMO, this doesn't get said enough and in my heart of hearts, which is in my colon, I know that Lorne and company are reading my posts every day, so they'll certainly consider fixing this on their next brand new Oddworld ti-- HAHAHAHA COULDN'T FINISH THAT ONE.
Of course, the factor I'm ignoring for the benefit of my argument is the fact that Valve is a multi-million dollar company, while Oddworld's been putzing around for the past decade and hasn't really been doing much except batting around ideas. Perhaps if Stranger's Wrath rerelease does well, they-- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OH MAN.
EDIT, SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T FINISHED SINGLE PLAYER.
Hit the CC button.
These are the translated lyrics to the Turret opera. Made me cry manly tears of happiness. So, two theories: a. GlaDOS never deleted Caroline at all. This song was made for her daughter, Chell, which is the idea I prefer because it makes this all the more sentimental, or b. she intended to delete Caroline all along, but first decided to free Chell, pre-programmed the turrets to make her exit a grand one and THEN deleted Caroline, but mine is happier.
Actually, either one works for me now that I think about it, because either way, she programmed those turrets to sing that... beautiful song for... her daughter... sniff...
Either way, I think this might nullify any doubt that Caroline is either Chell's birth or adopted mother.
BTW, I dunno why people think that Caroline is Chell's mother. There are lots of things about the Portal storyline that are open to speculation, Valve's storylines are awesome even though they're full of holes, but there isn't a lot that points to the two characters being related, not even the turret opera at the end of Portal 2, even with the lyrics "Farewell my child". You don't have to be related to someone who is much younger than you, who you're 'looking after' (or not, in GLaDOS's case - But the facility, under management by GLaDOS, was Chell's "home" for a long time) in order to refer to them as "your child".
I think people look into things too hard at times. For example in the vid Aperture Investment Opportunity #4: "Boots", Cave Johnson addresses Caroline to ask her to roll the video showing the POV of a test subject falling to their death, but for some reason people have interpreted that the test subject is Caroline, and it's a POV video of her death, even though there's nothing pointing to that and it doesn't make sense.
Cave Johnson is an evil bastard, but I don't think he's so much so that he'd send his personal secretary and perhaps the closest person to him to die in the test chambers.
Anyone who seriously tries to cobble together a conspiracy theory based on the Turret Opera is losing some of my respect. It was a one-off joke, nothing more.
Anyone who seriously tries to cobble together a conspiracy theory based on the Turret Opera is losing some of my respect. It was a one-off joke, nothing more.
I thought that at first too, but it seems like a really strange situation to refer to as a "joke."
And I think referring to fan speculation as "cobbling together conspiracy theories" is a harsh and ignorant way to put it. The developers spent a lot of time putting secret crap all over this game. Several new Ratman lairs and his graffiti (not to mention the whole tie-in comic), the entire backstory involving Aperture and Cave Johnson, not to mention GlaDOS's realization that she's Caroline, even the seemingly prophetic redeemable Turret who parrots some of Cave's lines from later in the game, as well as gives a metaphor about Prometheus that hints at the situation you later find GlaDOS in. These weren't coincidences, someone wrote these ideas down and they were fleshed out and peppered into the game. The people behind this game allowed the player to uncover more about the game and speculate based on what they find, but those layers connected to very logical conclusions, some are just less fleshed out or definitive than others. However, in spite of your assertion, ANYTHING can be a clue, and I think a lot of the speculation is on the right track.
I can't stand people who call others out for making "conspiracy theories" about a storyline that a great team of people put together. It degrades the product and the people behind it. This may come across as light-hearted dark comedy, but anyone who writes science fiction storylines will tell you that you're building an entire universe from the ground up. No small task, and these guys did a very thorough job of trying to define the world and situations without being heavy-handed about it, which often involves obscuring things that people will have to find later.
You're still writing big walls of text to draw connections that don't need to be drawn. I don't even care that much, I just hate it when people take the fun out of something by shitting their needless drivel out to seem like BIG BIG FANS.
You know what, kiddo? I like Valve too. I like them a whole bunch, and I recognize them as one of the better storyline-producing game devleopers out there, but don't give me some awful lecture about how I'm completely in the wrong for getting annoyed at even more pointless, speculative bullshit. You want to give the guns inexplicably singing a song some tiring, drawn-out plot idea you stitched together? Fine, but don't expect me not to have a big guffaw at your expense when you do. Thank you for sullying something I like by overthinking it, you big blubbering vagina. You may now resume having your nerdy conspiracy theory exchange at your leisure.
Oh, and thank you so much for explaining overshadowing to me, you patronizing fucking loser. Good job.
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Park your fucking egotistical rampage on someone else's lawn, limp dick. Way to take offense over nothing.
I was nicer than I should have been, considering you practically burst in and blathered, "HEY GUYS THIS IS GAYYYY STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT GAY SHIT YOU FAGGOT NERDS" right off the bat, which is a little pet peeve of mine. Don't enter a conversation just to end it unless you have a damn good reason to because it's fucking rude to the people who are talking, not to mention annoying as hell.
And I took the time to "explain foreshadowing" to you, SLOWLY, because if you're going to claim to be confused over why people are picking up on blatant or obscure story elements, then you're probably too fucking stupid to know how a story is put together in the first place, let alone how much effort the team actually HAS put into telling this particular story.
What a stupid fucking thing to take people to task for, anyway. The members of this forum speculate about Oddworld all the time here, based on little to NOTHING, and you choose NOW to vent frustration over it? Over a completely different game series, no less?
How could I NOT be taken aback at such weird, stupid timing and such unwarranted hostility?
At least when I give an opinion I can fucking explain and defend my position, rather than blankly calling everyone else idiotic with no defense of my own, and then shooting impotent insults at anyone who disagrees. Because that makes you look so mature and adult, and worthy of mutual respect, rather than a pissy brat with an inferiority complex who, by his own demeanor, deserves to be spoken to like someone half his age.
If you don't like being talked down to, don't act like a creep who deserves to be talked down to.
Oh god, dickstick. I don't care. I really, truly, genuinely and completely do not care what you have to say. I said you lost some of my respect for making a conspiribaby theory based on the silly treat at the end of a game (why care if someone respects you on this godforsaken forum anyway?). What crawled up your butt to ignite this unbelievably insipid little argument? I didn't even say it to be inflammatory, I was literally just saying, and look at this temper tantrum. No one else is throwing a hissy fit, because they saw I didn't really mean offense and was just dicking around. You're being a big crybaby because I thought your idea was stupid (I still do). Seriously, get a thicker skin. It's not that big a deal. Not to warrant the tsunami of words you're barfing all over the page. I don't like your fanfiction, kiddo, stop crying.
Oh, but of course I have to comment on what is probably the saddest attempt at paraphrasing in history. I don't rightly recall calling anyone a 'Faggot Nerd', but I think "pissy brat with an inferiority complex who, by his own demeanor, deserves to be spoken to like someone half his age" is someone projecting. I mean, I definitely don't post youtube poop and start fights because someone doesn't like my fanfic ideas. I barely even post anymore, you sweaty hotdog inhaler. I'm aware I used to post all kinds of needless, argumentative hogshit, but this wasn't that. This was you being an overreactive little child because I think overthinking the end of a video game is a waste of time, giving me the opportunity to return you to your well-deserved title of 'immense fucking loser'. Absolutely nothing else. It's not even like I mind you in general, but what the fuck? No one should care so much about what other people think of their (BAD) ideas.
Oh, and everyone else who had an idea about the end of Portal 2 having a double meaning is absolved of any pissiness I could direct at them, as dipstikk was kind enough to come forward and reveal that the giant millipeepee that crawled up his butt and whispered fanfic ideas into his brain is much more resolute in pointlessly defending them and misinterpreting up my well-deserved criticism than any of you could hope to be.
Come on dipstikk, post more crying and pointless, reflexive accusations. I love this kind of shit.
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Anyone who seriously tries to cobble together a conspiracy theory based on the Turret Opera is losing some of my respect. It was a one-off joke, nothing more.
Dipstikk is right. COME ON! The Lyrics translated into English definitely backs up the theory like he said.
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Dear beautiful, my beautiful darling!
My child, oh Chell!
For I hold her in esteem…
For I hold her in esteem.
Farewell to my dear!
My dear girl,
why do you not walk away?
Yes, away from Science,
My dear, my dear girl?
Ah, my beautiful!
Ah, my dear!
Ah, my dear!
Ah, my child!
Oh dear, my dear…
It means the turrets are saying goodbye in a way Valve thought people would like. Until they actually confirm it means something, All I see is nerds overthinking things the way only nerds can. Good job, nerds.
Oh god, dickstick. I don't care. I really, truly, genuinely and completely do not care what you have to say.
If you don't care, then do us all a favor and shut the fuck up because I assure you, the feeling is mutual. You plodded into a discussion trying to shut it down, so you must fucking care on some level.
Not a single tear will be shed if we're lucky enough to lose you and your pointless rage fits.
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What crawled up your butt to ignite this unbelievably insipid little argument? I didn't even say it to be inflammatory, I was literally just saying
What pointless rage fits? Look at the thread you irredeemable little hypocrite. You started it with your terrible ideas and overreaction to criticism. Sounds like someone can't admit they've been told.
I can't tell you how much I'd rather be a nerd than a pathetic attention whore of a troll, like you. If you're trying to make yourself look like the better option, you need to work on your sales pitch.
Enough with the "nerd" bullshit, nerd. What a lame fucking thing to try and insult people for, anyway. On the ODDWORLD FORUMS.
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What pointless rage fits? Look at the thread you irredeemable little hypocrite. You started it with your terrible ideas and overreaction to criticism. Sounds like someone can't admit they've been told.
"BEEEH! YOU STARTED IT BY HAVING IDEAS THAT I THINK ARE STUPID, AND THEN DEFENDING THEM. IT WAS ACTUALLY A PRETTY REASONABLE DEFENSE BUT I'M GOING TO PRETEND YOU WERE BEING IRRATIONAL. NEEEH!"
That is the dumbest, most intellectually dishonest thing I've ever read. You can't be serious. No way that isn't 110% pure, grade-A trolling. If you actually believe what you're saying, you really need to see a therapist because I'm pretty sure not being able to see your own part in a conflict is a sign of sociopathy. I admit, my response got combative, but ONLY in the wake of yours. But you're not an idiot, so the only reasonable conclusion one can draw is that you're trolling.
You're deliberately claiming my posts were the rude ones, setting me up to defend them, which you'll deny and hope that it frustrates me. It really is a brilliant strategy. Too bad we're not on 4chan, eh?
To respond to your posts anymore would be setting myself up for your stupidity, so from here on out, I'll just reply to you in a manner befitting a forum troll.
OK, I'm officially demanding a ceasefire. This was funny while it lasted, but neither of you are getting anywhere, and the poor Portal 2 thread is caught in the crossfire. Any future replies to this fiery tangent will be infracted.
OK, I'm officially demanding a ceasefire. This was funny while it lasted, but neither of you are getting anywhere, and the poor Portal 2 thread is caught in the crossfire. Any future replies to this fiery tangent will be infracted.
You're right, Max. Next time this happens, I'm just going to let him piss and moan all by his lonesome. If he wants to have a tantrum, let him.
And I must compliment you for stepping in so promptly and sorting this out as soon as you could, by the way. It's intuitive action like that which makes the OWI staff such fine examples of forum moderation.
